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Is this normal?

135 replies

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:31

My husband 37, married 5 years and together for 10, is extremely sensitive to percieved control and loss of independence. Whatever my ask of him, he says I am manipulative, abusive, etc etc. Over the years i feel this has made concede on so many things, lower my standards on what i expect of marriage/my husband and pverall has left me doubting myself (and at times i feel like I am losing my sanity)

I fell out with his mother a few years ago; they are extremely close and the adult children deeply loyal to mum and each other. The entire family outcast me pretty quickly. My husband said if he stood up for me he would be outcast too and he made it clear he was not on my side. He also outcast me in many ways; he just dropped doing anything with his family with me included. Everything became private and exclusive. I am not entirely estranged from most his family. This has caused bitter rows, in the midst of fertility problems and IVF.

I have sometimes asked him to avoid certain events with his family as I was feeling so utterly excluded in not being invited; he refused and said i was controlling him. In the middle of IVF as well he insists he should be able to do this; when i tell him how much the stress affects me and that i feel its why the IVF is failing, he says I'm manipulating him with IVF, etc and i will manipulate him more with pregnancy, child, etc if he lets me get away with it. I have had a miscarriage and I begged him during the pregnancy to not go to an event as i was stressed about it; he went anyway. Another time he left me without giving me my trigger injection and went to a family dinner (simply because i has asked him not to go and he couldnt allow that for principles sake).

I have not asked him to never see any of his family again; some of them have been brutal in their rejection of me and i am really hurting from it. I have simply asked him to avoid intimate one to ones with them for a short period of time, particularly as we're commencing IVF again; i have clearly said the request doesnt apply to larger family events, dinners, Xmas, etc but he has simply refused. He says he will not ever discuss again with me on who he sees, when, how, etc period. If i ask him about being a team and putting us first, he says the marriage is most important to him but he absolute detests the talk of priority or primacy.

Am i being unreasonable? Is it normal for a person to feel they need to exercise their independence to this degree? Are my asks manipulative. He exagerrates my asks when he relays it back - "you dont want me to see my family" he insists - but that is hardly what I have asked for. I am so so utterly heartbroken and stressed. I literally feel sensations in my body from stress when these arguments come up and recently i got my period 5 days early in the middle of an argument - he says this is all manipulative and controlling. I am just losing touch with reality i feel; I cant tell anymore if i am right or wrong. I am terrified I am letting myself down but I am also desperately in love with him and want to make my marriage work.

OP posts:
SunflowerTed · 12/11/2024 23:02

IfIHadAHeart · 12/11/2024 19:13

I feel like I’m reading a different thread to everyone else who’s replied.

Why are you asking him not to see his family? Why are you unwilling for him to maintain a relationship with them just because you don’t get on with them?

If someone told me I should have a six month “pause” on seeing my family, I would leave too!

Unless of course there is to be a huge drip feed as to the nature of the argument with his mum, but the fact that the entire family and even your husband have taken her side, it would suggest you were in the wrong.

No I agree with you! You can’t make demands and control his relationship with his family. Just because you have fallen out with them it doesnt give you the right to dictate which events he is allowed to go to. He is making a stand and I don’t blame him

SunflowerTed · 12/11/2024 23:08

Duckyfondant · 12/11/2024 21:05

Op, you're even trying to use imaginary future children to try and manipulate your partner. I'm surprised you can't see it

Yep!

Zerrin13 · 12/11/2024 23:22

I think this all boils down to your frustration with not being No1 in your husband's life.
His family come before you and you can't accept it. Not many of us could. Are there cultural aspects at play here? I can completely understand your desire for children but having them with this man will make your unhappy marriage even unhappier. You really are flogging a dead horse. He loves alot of people you don't even like. Cut your losses while you are still young enough and find someone who is kind to you because this man isn't.

Tiredofallthis101 · 12/11/2024 23:37

I don't think your ask is reasonable and I agree with others that it is controlling. However despite this I don't think you're being unreasonable because it all stems from his failure to back you up with his family which is making you feel insecure. Like others sadly I think if your husband won't back you with his family and genuinely put your relationship first this will only get worse, especially bringing DC into the mix. Sadly I think you need to leave.

INeedAnotherName · 12/11/2024 23:39

I can see both sides here which means they bring out the worst in each other imo. Just a toxic shitshow all round.

OP - do not bring a child into this mess unless you can afford a lifetime of therapy for them. Go find another partner who will lift you up, support you and make you laugh again, and let your DH find someone who his family will welcome to events. No amount of counselling will get you through this, it's over.

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:02

IfIHadAHeart · 12/11/2024 19:13

I feel like I’m reading a different thread to everyone else who’s replied.

Why are you asking him not to see his family? Why are you unwilling for him to maintain a relationship with them just because you don’t get on with them?

If someone told me I should have a six month “pause” on seeing my family, I would leave too!

Unless of course there is to be a huge drip feed as to the nature of the argument with his mum, but the fact that the entire family and even your husband have taken her side, it would suggest you were in the wrong.

Me too.

I think you are both being controlling. You can’t ask someone not to see their family members, regardless of their relationship with you. That is controlling and abusive. He’s right. You can stop letting this cause you stress by not trying to control him regarding his family.

Although, in all honestly, this relationship sounds over.

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:04

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 19:20

I feel like I’m reading a different thread to everyone else who’s replied.
Really? Read the OP again.

Why are you asking him not to see his family?
Because he sides with them in their abuse of her.

Why are you unwilling for him to maintain a relationship with them just because you don’t get on with them?
Because she is his wife and deserves respect.

Not at all costs. You cannot ask someone not to see their family. It’s controlling and abusive. That’s not to say he’s not just as bad - but she is absolutely controlling and manipulative as well.

Newnamehiwhodis · 13/11/2024 07:06

That thing he’s doing , packing up to leave, getting you to beg- it’s a horrible manipulation and power play.
relationships shouldn’t be like wars. Can you see how unhealthy and miserable this is?

don’t have a child with this creep. Next time he leaves, LET HIM GO.

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:09

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:45

fine ok, i dont agree given the context but i understand why you keep saying it, fair enough.

Okay, imagine he asked you not to see your family on your own?

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:09

Stop using the IVF as a manipulation tactic. I’ve had IVF, so no what it’s like. Don’t use it as a stick to beat or control him with.

AirborneElephant · 13/11/2024 07:11

I don’t think it’s reasonable to ask him to stop seeing his family if he’s close to them. How did you manage to fall out with most of his family that badly? It feels like you’re really not compatible and bringing a child into all this is not going to help. I hope you can leave and find someone you are happier with.

AirborneElephant · 13/11/2024 07:14

And to your other question yes, I would find it very controlling and unacceptable if my husband tried to stop my kids having a relationship with my family just because he didn’t want to see them.

Paleshelter · 13/11/2024 07:22

OP sounds like your husband prioritises his family over you and accuses you of controlling behaviour to hide that he is being controlling.
This does not sound like a happy, loving marriage, he will always put his family before you.
Please do not have any more IVF with him. It will be a whole lot worse if a child was there. You think he will change but you will be left on your own while he goes off to his family.

Bobbie12345 · 13/11/2024 07:23

I think everyone who is just telling OP she is right needs to pause and consider that there are always two sides to every story. He sounds awful. To be honest though, so does OP. And some of what OP is doing could be considered abusive. Isn’t separating someone from their family one of the red flags for a controlling abusive relationship? isn’t begging someone to come back when they try to leave and telling them it will all be good moving forwards?
Why has a whole family rejected her? Is it conceivable that she could be partly to blame?
I have zero idea. None of us do. We are hearing one side of a very screwed up relationship. Be careful not be an echo chamber telling op she is perfect, that he is abusive, that she should persist in keeping him from his family.

MyEarringsAreGreen · 13/11/2024 07:29

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:40

Why do you keep saying "stop seeing his family"; I did not ask for him to not see them at all. I did say i know there are events, dinners, etc coming up and i dont expect him not to go!! Its just the 1:1s that hurt at the moment and i wanted a pause. Why does that not stick and it gets blown into "stop seeing his family"?

But you ARE asking him to not see his family if you insist he can't have "intimate 1 to 1s" with them (what are they - dinner? Coffee?) and only see them at bigger events.

I think your relationship sounds awful though and you should consider leaving.

YRGAM · 13/11/2024 07:31

Telling someone they can't see their family 1 to 1 is absolutely controlling, and it's depressing to see so many posters making the kind of excuses for this behaviour that they would never make were it a man telling his partner she wasn't allowed to see her family. I think it is quite telling that despite being repeatedly asked the OP has not gone into any detail about why she has fallen out with her mother in law

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:32

Bobbie12345 · 13/11/2024 07:23

I think everyone who is just telling OP she is right needs to pause and consider that there are always two sides to every story. He sounds awful. To be honest though, so does OP. And some of what OP is doing could be considered abusive. Isn’t separating someone from their family one of the red flags for a controlling abusive relationship? isn’t begging someone to come back when they try to leave and telling them it will all be good moving forwards?
Why has a whole family rejected her? Is it conceivable that she could be partly to blame?
I have zero idea. None of us do. We are hearing one side of a very screwed up relationship. Be careful not be an echo chamber telling op she is perfect, that he is abusive, that she should persist in keeping him from his family.

Absolutely right.

The issue with MN is that a huge portion of posters see any man as the abuser, regardless as to what the woman is like. You rarely get unbiased advice here.

CheekyHobson · 13/11/2024 07:32

Next time he leaves, LET HIM GO.

Did you catch that when the OP packed up all her stuff to leave, this is exactly what her husband did. And she’s insulted he didn’t beg her to stay, and presumably returned of her own accord.

Says rather a lot, don’t you think.

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 07:33

Paleshelter · 13/11/2024 07:22

OP sounds like your husband prioritises his family over you and accuses you of controlling behaviour to hide that he is being controlling.
This does not sound like a happy, loving marriage, he will always put his family before you.
Please do not have any more IVF with him. It will be a whole lot worse if a child was there. You think he will change but you will be left on your own while he goes off to his family.

That’s a reach. She is the one being controlling, from her posts. He may have threatened to leave, but she’s doing the same, and worse.

All I can see that he has done is continue to see his family. Why is that wrong?

CheekyHobson · 13/11/2024 07:34

Not to mention that when she tried to get him to agree not to take any future children to see his family, he said he thinks they need to speak with a counselor, and the OP seems to think this will result in the counselor witnessing her husband agreeing in writing to keep his children away from his family.

OnLockdown · 13/11/2024 07:40

There is a lot of missing info in the OP such as why you fell out with his family. In any case, the relationship sounds toxic and unhealthy. I really wouldn't bring a child into it.

LyingPaintSample · 13/11/2024 07:43

Don't waste another second of your potential fertility on this man. You could go through all this and then he might take the child into his family and refuse to give you anything more than limited contact, which would start a huge battle. It would make your issues now look like nothing in comparison, it could break you. Don't give him that power. Don't let the battle to conceive blind you to the fact that he is not the right person.

He doesn't respect your body, your mind or your marriage. He would be a terrible example of a father, and a husband. Of course he has rights to freedom and seeing his family, but if he was decent, he wouldn't use it as a stick to beat you with. He would want to make it better. But he doesn't.

I would leave him, right now as soon as possible, and make my own way in terms of potentially having a child in future. Don't tie yourself to him even more of you want future peace, happiness and an uncomplicated life with a child. He won't give you any of that. Personally the risk of him turning your own child against you (at any point, in childhood or adulthood) would make me run for the hills all by myself. It hurts on a soul level to struggle with fertility and I'm not minimising that agony at all, but I think youre actually lucky not to be tied to him by a child. Free yourself.

Sparkletastic · 13/11/2024 07:44

It sounds like you and your DH have both behaved badly and are both unhappy. It might be wise to pause the IVF whilst you consider the future of your relationship.

LyingPaintSample · 13/11/2024 07:46

And I want to caveat my comment with, we don't know enough about your contribution to this whole situation....but even so, bringing a child into something that isn't working is a terrible idea. Free both of you, some people don't work together and it's usually issues from both. Working on yourself is never time wasted

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 08:06

CheekyHobson · 13/11/2024 07:34

Not to mention that when she tried to get him to agree not to take any future children to see his family, he said he thinks they need to speak with a counselor, and the OP seems to think this will result in the counselor witnessing her husband agreeing in writing to keep his children away from his family.

Edited

That’s crazy!