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Messy house and H having a mard

159 replies

ShabbaRankz · 31/10/2024 14:26

This happened last week and ive just been thinking about it. It was my DD birthday coming up at the end of that week. The house has been messy for a while. We both work full time. Two kids. Washing on radiators, toys, a couple of bags for tip to take (old toys) plus washing up on the side. Anyway, id been here and there after work pulling it all together for DDs birthday, buying cake, gifts etc. plus i nip in to see elderly parents after work too a couple of nights. My life is busy. The housework has built up i agree.

H works around an hour away. Gets home. Cracks a beer and thats him for the night. No parental help/housework bar washing up once a week lets say. He leaves all birthdays etc to me to organise.

so night in question, i had been out getting last minute bits, still had presents to wrap, i ordered and paid for a takeaway (we have separate money). Just taking five mins before putting a rather excited DD to bed. He came downstairs, he had been drinking, and started having a right go at me over how messy the house is, that he doesn’t like to live like this and what is all the crap everywhere? Ffs, if he got off his arse and tidied it, it wouldnt take long. 1130pm i was stood washing up whilst hes snoring away 🤦🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
wastingtimeonhere · 02/11/2024 08:57

As they say on here, what does he bring to the table?
money?
Do some homework, where do you live, rent, mortgage? What would your finances look like?
You are effectively single parenting now anyway, may as well do it all without a man-child in the mix.

newyearsresolurion · 02/11/2024 09:41

You will be much better off SINGLE !!!! Life is just too short to live like this. Your WASTING your life with this idiot. Being a single mother is not that bad in comparison to living like this. This is from my own experience .plan to LEAVE

BlackOrangeFrog · 02/11/2024 09:44

God, pack your stuff and leave with the kids.

He wouldn't fucking notice for a few days anyway.

Sounds awful.

frozendaisy · 02/11/2024 09:51

If you wanted to split up, which I can't see any reason not to, what are your options OP?

Is the house mortgaged? Rented in both names?

Do your parents have space for you and the kids?

I would work out your escape plan and tell him, not ask, no shouting, just calmly tell him what is going to happen.

No matter what you say he thinks he is king of this castle, which he kind of is, he can complain with no effort, drink, watch tv, make just himself food whilst he has you running around juggling everything for everyone.

He might change if you leave to get you all back or he might not. No one knows.

But if you stay he won't almost guaranteed. There doesn't sound like there is much love or care in this relationship. Really what's the point?

ReadingInTheRain583 · 02/11/2024 09:52

Sounds like there's more than a few bags of rubbish to take to the tip...

If you can't change your situation for your own benefit, do it for your child/ren. They will grow up seeing this as normal, acceptable. What were your own parents roles like in the household growing up?

LushLemonTart · 02/11/2024 09:56

Sounds like you're already a single parent.

Devillishlooloo · 02/11/2024 09:57

TiredEyesSoreHeart · 01/11/2024 12:03

He will start drinking around 2pm until 10pm.

Christ. He sounds like a real hardcore serious alcoholic! How much interaction does he have with the kids?

And what impact do you think having an alcoholic dad who does nothing with them and all they see of him is him opening tin after tin after tin after tin after tin will have? Have you ever considered the impact of seeing this day in day out and on weekends all day, will have on them? What are you doing raising them around this mess!? Those kids know he prefers the drink over them, .@ShabbaRankz They would be better off without him in the picture. Its not about the mess, its about their upbringing and what is their 'normal'. Please do something. Get him to leave and get some help for his drinking. Sure, it's his own money. But WHAT COST the affect on your children seeing that?

PS Disclaimer. I had a father with a similar problem. My childhood would have been easier and more pleasant without it. So many days ruined because of his drinking. Please get your children away from it. Please. PLEASE!

PPS Having to work having a conversation with your own husband around his drinking schedule should tell you this is NOT a normal way to live!

Edited

This 100%.

Screamingabdabz · 02/11/2024 10:02

Gowlett · 02/11/2024 01:15

My home life is similar to this. All of the domestic drudgery is down to me. Plus nice dinners, etc… When he comes home he cracks open a can & puts his feet up. Has to be asked to do things & gives out to me if the house is a mess (which it is!). I’m in charge of everything. If I ask for help, there’s a strop!

And why do any of you put up with it?

MuggleMe · 02/11/2024 10:08

I so rarely post ltb because I know it's not that easy. But seriously, he's putting you down and being selfish, he's doing nothing towards the chores just making more work for you. He's an alcoholic and an arsey one. Making you miserable. Would you be happy if your DD married a man like this? Please please leave him.

PussInBin20 · 02/11/2024 10:17

Seriously ask yourself if this is the life you want. What does he bring to the relationship? Sounds like nothing.

Igmum · 02/11/2024 12:21

He is vile. For your sake and your children's sakes, please leave him.

jeaux90 · 02/11/2024 12:36

As a lone parent I can tell you my life is a lot easier without a useless man in it

Dweetfidilove · 02/11/2024 14:50

@ShabbaRankz - love the handle 😊.

What value does he bring to your life, other than miserable companionship?

Why are you working, presumably paying half the bills and being a full-time skivvy as well?

You can't change anyone but yourself, so have a long think about what you'd like your life to look like and how you can achieve that without this lump.

Dweetfidilove · 02/11/2024 14:52

jeaux90 · 02/11/2024 12:36

As a lone parent I can tell you my life is a lot easier without a useless man in it

As a single parent, I second this. In fact, my ex became a much better parent after I left him 🤷🏾‍♀️.

pikkumyy77 · 02/11/2024 15:05

You think this a a court of law and an “argument “ you need to win: he says X and you must counter his argument with Y and you “win” if he acknowledges you are right.

That is not what is happening. Your relationship is sick. The body of your relationship is very, very, ill. Is their a medicine that can cure it? Doubtful. But even if there were he would have to recognize that the whole relationship is sick and needs care and he doesn’t. To him you are the problem.

All the arguments are just ways of him evading responsibility for the house/children/love/relatiinship. They are just DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. He eants to be a lazy, indifferent, drunken, lout not a loving husband and father. He will always fight harder to avoid everything that distracts him from drinking with his mates.

Stop trying to win the argument about his drinking or anything else. All you will get if you win is this booby as a booby prize. He will never be worth the aggro.

PaminaMozart · 02/11/2024 15:49

ShabbaRankz · 01/11/2024 23:27

Do you think he has an alcohol problem. I think he does but he denies it. He says all his mates/work friends drink most nights. Id say hes drinking 4 pint can lagers mon to weds, thurs and fri 4 pint cans and two pub pints. Saturday/sunday will probably be 2 pub pints, 6 cans and maybe half a bottle of wine

I've just added this up. 32 pints of beer + 375ml wine per week.
1 pint is 2-3 units, depending on strength, so that's 64-96 units.
1/2 bottle wins = c. 4 units
So he is drinking up to 100 units each week!! I believe the 'recommended' maximum limit is 14 units...

He is an alcoholic. Sooner or later he'll start to suffer all the complications associated with excess alcohol consumption.
High blood pressure
Heart disease or stroke
Liver disease
Diabetes
Mental health issues
Digestive problems
Risk of cancer

Quite apart from the drudgery and misery of your current life - and the example this is setting for your children........ do you really want to stick around for this?

OhDearMuriel · 02/11/2024 15:55

You both work/have very long days.

Get a very good cleaner to come in once a week. Pay half each.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 02/11/2024 16:02

Have you had a conversation with him today, OP?

Like everyone else said, you'd be much better off (and happier!) leaving him. Hope you're OK!

ShineNon · 03/11/2024 02:38

Pinkbonbon · 02/11/2024 04:01

Its not the solution. Firstly, its not 'help'. The word help implies that they are her chores and she needs him to help her complete them. Secondly, why the fuck should you have to ask ask grown adult to do their share of the load?

The sort of people you have to ask to 'help' are not people who should be in partnerships. And more than likely, are the sort who would accuse you of 'nagging' for asking in the first place. Rather than just do THEIR SHARE.

Also, do you really think op hadn't politely asked for help a million times? Do you think the idea never occurred to her?

More than likely she had asked till she's blue in the face. He doesn't care!

Edited

You're expressing your own anger amd resentment. OP is asking for help to a problem. You don't solve a problem by screaming, she needs to engage with him if she wants him to engage with her. She needs to invest and put the work politely and respectfully

ShineNon · 03/11/2024 02:52

Farmgoose · 02/11/2024 04:11

@ShineNon They both work full time. Even if he does earn more do you genuinely think he’s paid for a right to leave all domestic stuff (probably another full time job) to his partner?

Polite? He is not ‘polite’ to her. You don’t get it. Women don’t want to have to manipulate and wheedle and bargain and coax and praise men to do the bare minimum.

OP. Just for a laugh do ask him politely to leave off the boozing and telly today and get stuck in to all the jobs and childcare. 😁

It matters to the sustainability of the household. He has a 4 hour commute whereas she has none, why is this ? Why would you commute for 4 hours ? It can only be either because there is no work locally or the pay makes it worthwhile

4 hours a day adds another 20 hours to his work week, not quite a full time job but half of one

Screaming at him isn't going to solve any problem it would just reinforce the emotionally unstable irrational stereotype of women

She needs to behave in an adult manner, addressing the problem in a calm, polite and constructive manner and that starts by seeking his engagement. She may have to cook a nice dinner for them, arrange an evening out, do an activity he enjoys, be attentive, surprise him with an intimate evening. These are all the things we expect so she should try them with him.

ViciousCurrentBun · 03/11/2024 02:59

He is an alcoholic, marriage over.

You can’t reason with him however diplomatic you are due to his alcoholism.

ShineNon · 03/11/2024 03:01

Whatanidiot123 · 02/11/2024 04:16

Wow. I don’t think you should politely ask for help OP. I would be rather less politely telling him to shape up or ship out. I can’t see that he’s bringing much into your life at all. He’s got a drinking problem. Drinking in excess of 50 units a week is high risk. He’s doing that for sure - more like 70+.

@ShineNon WTF?! I earn double what my DH does. Perhaps I should put my feet up and wait till he politely asks me for help. Unsurprisingly I pull my weight, consider DH and I a team, do not undervalue his equally important job or expect him to do it all because I earn more.

Do you really though, are you pulling your weight on all jobs, are you doing 50:50 all activities or are you self selecting jobs you want to do and leaving the others to him. If you are the bulk earner in the household and everyone depends on you it is important that you are rested and nourished and have downtime and stress relief and engage in enjoyable and pleasurable activities

LoudSnoringDog · 03/11/2024 03:03

He's a lazy, abusive alcoholic

ShineNon · 03/11/2024 03:03

XChrome · 02/11/2024 04:19

@ShineNon
Politely ask for help, that's your solution

No woman with a lazy husband has ever thought of politely asking him to "help" take care of his own house and own kids, so your suggestion should lead to an epiphany for many of us. Are you a life coach, by any chance?

You're not contributing to helping this woman, you are only expressing your own spite, she has come for help not anger

ShineNon · 03/11/2024 03:19

ttcat37 · 02/11/2024 04:46

Eh? So, despite the fact that they both work full time, if he earns more, he does less around the house? No, no, no. What a horrendous, warped, misogynistic view.

Why should she ask for ‘help’? Help to wash HIS clothes, help to buy the food that HE eats, help to do things for HIS children? ‘Help’ suggests these are her jobs that she is not able to undertake. They are not. The labour should be divide equally, they both work full time.

He deserves no ‘polite’ whatsoever. He deserves “get off your fucking arse and start lifting a finger or start looking for somewhere else to live. I’m sick of you treating me like a slave. And you’re an alcoholic. You’ve got a week to make a difference and see the doctor”

You're allowing your own anger to cloud your view, we already know his day is 4 hours longer and this can only be for a higher wage. This allows this woman to probably take a lower paid job with no commute, so even before any chores fall due he's working 50% harder and longer than this woman

You calling it misogyny just shows repreased anger, nowhere is there hatred of women or of this woman expressed by her partner or in her post

If as you suggeat that "labour should be divide equally" then the next logically thing to happen is for bills to be divided equally, what happens if she cannot cover her half, what then, then you have created a situation where she is not pulling her weight, he may see he is being exploited and you have irrevocably damaged their marriage

She needs to engage with him in a positive and rewarding way, manners cost nothing, a nice meal, a nice evening, extra intimacy, any positive rewarding method at her disposal