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DH kissed his best friend (female)..

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boriso · 25/04/2008 11:34

One of Dh's best friends is female - they have been close for 20 years and met at Uni before I met dh.

Recently she has been going through some major marital diffuculties (she fell in love with somoone else and had an affair) and my dh has been a shoulder for her to cry on. Recently I have started to feel a bit uncomfortable about this. Nothing I could really put my finger on, I have never felt threatened by this woman.

Anyway, I checked his phone this morning (due to feeling not quite right about all of this) and it seems that when they last met up they kissed. The text from her read - "It was only a kiss don't stress about it too much, it was lovely though".

What would you do??!!

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skidoodle · 28/04/2008 20:03

I agree with morningpaper that your DH is not a bad man but totally disagree that this woman is not predatory.

From your DH's behaviour throughout this whole episode he isn't acting much like a man involved in an emotional affair. He hasn't defended his friend, he hasn't insisted on continuing their friendship, he hasn't refused to talk about things. We see enough emotional affairs on this board to know that men involved in one are normally in a lot more denial than this and a are a lot more reluctant to admit their wrongdoing.

My reading of the situation is that the whole thing snuck up on him, they got gradually closer but he saw it as innocent and was turning to her as a friend to help with his marriage as he was trying to help her, and that her confession of her supposed feelings for him (more on that later) and the subsequent kiss took him by surprise.

It doesn't seem it was an entirely welcome surprise, hence her having to talk him down by saying "it was only a kiss" (but still sneaking in about it being nice).

Obviously he should have realised that the kiss meant a change in their friendship and that he should tell his wife and cancel their weekend plans, but this is a very old friend who he trusted. She's telling him it's no big deal, there's no point in hurting his DW, nothing has changed. I can see how he could imagine they could carry on as before.

She, on the other hand, seems to have been far more aware of what she was up to. Whoever it was who said she wanted to pull someone else into her own problems was spot on.

I don't for a minute buy her 4 Weddings confession of love. It's too easy to rewrite your life so that everything you have done somehow points to some long held torch for an old friend. If that were the case I can't imagine boriso would not have picked up on something before. I think the confession was made to precipitate something romantic to escalate the closeness she'd established with all the shoulder crying.

It is possible to cause a lot of trouble for a couple if you're minded to and I think she's gone out of her way to do that, probably out of loneliness after the demise of her previous affair and the friendship she lost as a result.

This is one of the few cases I've ever seen where I think excising the friend will solve the problem.

QuintessentialShadows · 28/04/2008 20:16

I think skidoodle has made a pretty fair analyzis of the situation.

Flowernat · 28/04/2008 22:59

Hope you're doing ok Boriso.Keep popping back here to check how your bearing up.Will come back again tomorrow loads love...

MissGelly · 29/04/2008 07:37

Interesting post, skidoodle, but I think that she, as a typical woman, is ruled by romance, love and too many rom-coms...this scenario really isnt that far away from When Harry Met Sally - or rather something that a person in this situation could justify (especially if she'd known hubby first?) as the love of her life taking 20 years to finally realise. She sounds like she's in a right old mess and dragging the husband down with her in her romantic dreams..and i'm just hoping the husband isnt being pulled in that direction as well..

I agree with above post that people (i.e. MEN) do f*K up and it seems posters here are far too eager to label/crucify with a very broad paint brush... seeming to forget that there is a woman here, reading this and in alot of pain who would probably prefer supportive posts rather than, your husband is an a*hole. (although there are certainly enough other threads on Relationships where this is completely justified!!!)

ladylush · 29/04/2008 10:02

Events over the past few months have made me realise that you can be with someone for years and think they are the best man in the world and would never do anything like this.......then you realise with a jolt that of course they can and do.

Boriso, you have my sympathy. You had complete trust in your dh and he has abused it in a terrible way. I say this because although he didn't sleep with her, it seems as if it could have easily progressed to that. Afterall, she made it clear how she feels about him. The main abuse of trust is that he had secret feelings about this woman (discussed your relationship with her, allowed her to stroke his ego/give him "positive regard" - wtf!) and continued to meet with her whilst giving you the impression that their relationship was as platonic as ever. You have been through a terrible time. Very sorry to hear about your mum He says he wasn't happy with your relationship before your mum died, yet he didn't discuss it with you. That was wrong. Then no doubt, he used the fact that you were dealing with your grief as an excuse not to bring the issue up with you. He probably justified this by convincing himself that he was thinking of you. Was he thinking of you when he betrayed your relationship? No, almost certainly he was not. He has been selfish and irresponsible. I'm pleased he confessed eventually and is trying to be transparent now. I'm not surprised he lied initially but totally get why this enraged you even more. Now you are left wondering whether you will ever trust him again. Forgiving is easier than erasing the awful imprint left behind by infidelity and lies. IMO he has been unfaithful even though he didn't sleep with her. I agree with the others that you may find counselling helpful. If he needs "positive regard" he might find Rogerian Humanistic counselling helpful. You might find homicide helpful!! On a serious note though, if you do go for counselling make sure you research it well as it's important you both feel comfortable/safe enough with the counsellor to talk openly. Otherwise it is a waste of time and money.

boriso · 29/04/2008 10:32

Hello you lot. Well we have talked and talked and talked. He is devastated by what he has done. I don't think he could grovel more. I showed him something on the internet about Emotional Affairs and he agress absolutely that that is what they were having. And he sees now how much damage this has done.

He says that when she first turned to him for support after the break up of her affair he was genuinely just there as a shoulder for her to cry on. They talked almost exclusively about her and her problems and he was happy to listen to her to help her through it. He feels something shifted in the relationship the last time but one they met. She became far more keen to focus on his relationship with me and she was almost trying to establish that our marriage was as bad as hers. He sadly went along with all of this and obviously entered into their mutual "spouse bashing" with some gusto. He said he was thoroughly enjoying the attention and the postive regard and loved the way he was making her feel. At the end of this particular evening she gave him an extremely long hug and kissed goodbye him on the lips (not a snog). He says that at this point he realised that their relationship had shifted and he bitterly regrets that he did not nip it in the bud at this point. But he was enjoying himself too much and was seduced by the excitement of it all.

The next time they met, last week, she came out with the "I have always loved you" confession and he admits that this again was quite seductive and obviously made him feel great. What a stupid man. By the way Skidoodle, he agrees with you about the love confession - that she has just reconstructed it all in her mind as she is f##cked up and vulnerable. He says he has never ever had the impression that she loved him before, and indeed neither had I. They snogged at the end of this evening, both very drunk (no excuse). I still wonder why she came out with how whe was feeling if she did not want to damage our marriage further.

He has showed me the emails they exchanged after this and there is lots of talk of not doing it again from him, although no actually expressed regret. He realises now how totally stupid it was of him to plan to go and stay with her this weekend considering all that had happened. He says that he genuinely thought that they could ensure that a repeat performance didn't happen and they could remain as just friends, but accepts absolutely how ridiculous this thinking was. I know that had I not found out then it was bound to happen again (not this weekend as her husband was there, but in the future).

He sees how weak and pathetic he has been and seems to be showing genuine regret that he was enjoying it all so much he couldn't see the damage they were doing.

He has cut off all contact with her now. He sent her an email telling her this and explaining what damage had been done and how that it most definitely was not "just a kiss". He showed me the email afterwards and to be honest it was spot on, I could not have penned it better myself.

He now sees that he was totally in the wrong and that he behaved like an arse. But of course this "realisation" has only come about because I caught them out. This is the thing I will struggle with most I think, and he sees that. I think we can move forward though.

Damn, have to go out now.

Thank you all you wonderful ladies for your wise words and lively debate - you have all been a great help and support.

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CountessDracula · 29/04/2008 10:40

That is great
He sounds like he has realised what he has done.

You do need to talk together about what was wrong in your marriage to allow this to happen. Was he feeling neglected?

CountessDracula · 29/04/2008 10:40

That is great
He sounds like he has realised what he has done.

You do need to talk together about what was wrong in your marriage to allow this to happen. Was he feeling neglected?

spicemonster · 29/04/2008 10:43

I'm so pleased for you boriso - I really hope that you will come through this stronger. I suspect that you will.

Take care

MissGelly · 29/04/2008 10:46

That is great news Boriso. Best of luck on working things out.

ladylush · 29/04/2008 10:52

Encouraging response from your dh Boriso. Hope you can repair your relationship. Best of luck

Flowernat · 29/04/2008 11:23

Pleased for you that some serious talking has gone on Boriso.Thanks for taking time to update on here.You've done really well in tough times.Take Care.

expatinscotland · 29/04/2008 11:36

Good for you, Boriso!

I am glad he has terminated contact with her.

She sounds fucked up.

Hope you two continue to talk things through.

naivemum · 29/04/2008 11:52

well done boriso, i wish i could talk to my DH the way you have, he just avoids talking, gives me short answers and changes the subject. he has never opened up about what really happened. I wish you all the luck in the world in trying to rebuild things. it sounds like you both want to and are commited to it.
I wish i felt so positive about my own marriage.

skidoodle · 29/04/2008 11:54

great news boriso.

try not to dwell too much on what you think would have happened if you hadn't found out. All you know is he was walking into the lion's den. Nobody can be sure how he would have reacted once he realised what he'd let himself in for, even him.

youknownothingofthecrunch · 29/04/2008 11:56

It sounds like your DH completely understands the full extent of his actions.

I am so pleased that he recognises how far he went (rather than writing it off as "just a kiss", he has accepted the emotional affair).

It is a shame that you had to find out for it to stop, but I wouldn't dwell on that. Work on rebuilding the communication with him. He needs to give you that shoulder now.

Have you considered counselling, just to nip any issues that might arise from this in the bud?

boriso · 29/04/2008 12:37

naivemum - very sorry you are going through this too. I hope very much that he opens up to you in time. Thanks for your support and you have mine too.

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Doobydoo · 29/04/2008 12:40

Well done Boriso.

Doobydoo · 29/04/2008 12:41

for you naivemum.Hope it works out positively.

nkf · 29/04/2008 12:53

Good luck to you Boriso. It all sounds most encouraging.

WillyWonka · 29/04/2008 13:39

boriso - so pleased to hear that dh has acknowledged what he has done without attempting to make excuses. It seems to be as positive an outcome as such a painful situation for you could be and I hope that with effort and time, you are both able to get through this all the stronger.

getmeouttahere · 29/04/2008 17:19

Yay !! . Wee done Boriso, and good luck. Sounds like you deffo have something worth saving.

Naivemum, could you maybe show your DH this thread? Would he look at it or just think none of this applied to him too?

getmeouttahere · 29/04/2008 17:46

wee done???

That would be WELL done.

QuintessentialShadows · 29/04/2008 23:28

Great result under the circumstances, I guess it could not have been better. I am really pleased he has realized what he has done, and what could easily have happened. Credit to you too for showing patience and understanding and willing him through this. I hope you continue talking and that you put this behind you and move forward stronger.

wouldbehippychick · 30/04/2008 18:35

I've not been able to check in for a few days, but I'm so happy you've managed to deal with this in such a constructive (ie not destructive) way; all credit to you Boriso.

I think in your position I would have lost it, and therefore lost the best thing that's ever happened to me.

You have shown him, and us, what a very special lady you are.

I'm sure you'll be able to put all this behind you soon, and be stronger than ever.

My thoughts and very best wishes go with you.