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Do I tell his wife?

143 replies

NameChange6025 · 25/10/2024 07:56

I know I will get a lot of grief over this post but I want to know what I should do. Walk away (and suffer in silence for the rest of my life) or say something.

I was married. As is he. I was in a sexless marriage and it was clear to be many years ago that my marriage was nothing more than a friendship. OM also married. He, to this day, insists his marriage is also sexless and it is his doing as he doesn’t find her attractive.

I went through a particularly bad part in life about 8 years ago. Lost close family (cancer and accident), was over-looked at work for a job I had worked hard to get (job went to manager’s personal friend) and a colleague ended up being forced out as she raised issues with the recruitment process (they made her life hell and she left and I lost a close colleague, who was my senior). I, and I was completely unaware at the time, hit menopause (at the younger end of the average age range). I became a different person once my periods stopped. I didn’t want to be around people, got anxiety and felt overwhelmed with everything. I went to the GP but was fobbed off. I came away empty handed and never went back. I also experienced, what I now know, is the sex surge of menopause. This went on for a couple of years. Just felt ridiculously horny all the time! Even started dressing differently and acting more confidently (which got me the promotion elsewhere). I am ashamed to say, I started chatting to men online and started to realise I had no sexual relationship with my husband (11 years my senior). I had been very naive and married in my early twenties. Never been with anyone else and had hidden myself away as a teenager rather than go out and meet people. I felt different through the menopause and started to analyse my marriage. We had no affection in the marriage. No kissing, no hugs and no sex. There had been no sex for over 11 years (it’s now 17-18 years). He was also poor in the bedroom (and very selfish) and, again through lack of experience, I didn’t know any different but felt under-whelmed until, eventually, I stopped it.

My feelings through the menopause led to me seeking out male companionship, and it was obvious I was craving something else.

I chatted to a few and found it a bit sleazy and well, stopped. Then went on again one night and chatted to a man at the other end of the country. We hit it off like old friends. It was very obvious we were going to get on well. We, we did. We spent hours and hours chatting online and on the phone. He told me, at the time, he didn’t get on with his wife, they didn’t connect, didn’t spend any time together and had no sex life. I, stupidly, remembered these words and even more stupidly, started to develop feelings for him. It became sexual on the phone and we both enjoyed it. I certainly did as I’d never experienced that before (and I have bottled up a lot of passion inside for years). He never wanted to meet and would cut contact if we came close or it went too far. He would say he gets carried away. But, I was experiencing a passionate man for the first time. We met after a year - we went for a drink and he chatted to me as a friend and I thought he’d drop me off at my hotel. He came
in and we chatted and had tea a while. We ended up kissing but he pulled away and it was obvious he had ‘snapped out of it’. He actually cut contact. He returned a couple of weeks later to say how attractive I was and that he couldn’t keep his hands off of me. I know I should’ve stopped it but I was already falling for him at this point. Like a fool.

He would say he got carried away and would pull back from the ‘friendship’ but it was obvious we got on well. He was very different to
my husband and gave lots of care and attention. By the way, I did end my marriage at this point as it made me realise there was something seriously wrong with my relationship at home.

OM and I met every time I went down to the area and we ended up having passionate sex over and over. Of course, I was in love with him by now. It has gone on 8 years. He would feel guilty and then would butter me up again and it would start again. He would then start going quiet and started telling me he couldn’t give me what I deserved and that I was a nice lady, blah blah. He did stop phoning me as much over time. It went from daily phone calls (some many hours long) to one a month, and completely platonic.

Through some detective work, I got hold of some
photos of his wife and their wedding date. It was obvious his 20th wedding anniversary was coming up. Of course, the increased guilt and approaching anniversary led to him being increasingly quiet. I decided to go and see
him (twice) to talk as I wanted answers as to why he had led me a line etc. We went for a walk and he sat me by a lake. We chatted. He said he felt like he wanted to be hit by a truck each time we’d met (guilt). He said he loved his wife and was never going to be there for me. He had been encouraging me to join a gym, badminton group
to meet people. Anyway, we met again and again ended up in bed. Then he started going quiet after I got upset and told him I was in love with him. Yes, I know. I am an idiot. I was
worried he was going to go. He said he wouldn’t and I wanted to remain friends. I went
down again last week and we chatted for hours. He came to my room and sat in a chair
and told me more about his marriage. He said there was no sex life but that they were best friends and looked after/out for each other. He said he wasn’t attracted to her (weight) and he was the one who stopped the sex but they have an affectionate marriage , apparently. This isn’t what he told me, initially. I then got a lecture on how marriage is more than just sex. He admitted he had been using chat sites on and off since shortly after their marriage. He had been looking at what he wanted out of life and realised he was being unfair to his wife and to me. He stopped using the sites years ago (I do
believe this) but remained friends with me as he ‘thought a lot of me’. He has asked
me numerous times to meet other people (in the hope of finding a man who can give me what I deserve).

Anyway, anniversary was the other day and guess what? He has deleted his FB account and messenger has gone with it! I have his number and he doesn’t seem to have blocked me on there but it’s obvious he wants me to move on.

However, apart from being in love with him (like an idiot), I now have £20k solicitor fees repay and sell the house. Meaning I have lost my financial future and I am now completely alone. I ended up leaving the job as it was too far away and Covid caused issues and I now in another job that also involves a night away (at my expense) and I don’t like it. I am very unhappy in my life and in a much worse position to what I was 8 years ago. Still alone. I tried dating sites to avoid the above with no luck. I didn’t like anyone and my feelings for OM were too strong.

OM has met someone before. He told me. He said he was guilty for years but ended up
doing it again. They have inherited money recently and both are retiring early (she is 60
and he is 54). Meanwhile, I will have to work till 67 and pay another mortgage after being mortgage free for years. My children live with their father mostly.

I am very hurt he has deleted his account without actually telling me first. It is obvious he wants to move on and get on with his life as if nothing has happened.

My life is in tatters. I am seriously unhappy in my life now. So much so, I am having dark thoughts creep in. I want to tell his wife. He has completely spun me a line. The guilt kicks in and he starts again. I know who she is and where she is. What would you do?

OP posts:
Katrinawaves · 25/10/2024 10:27

The world is full of bitter mistresses who tell the wives in one way or another. Very few of them then end up with their man.

What often happens though is that either the man, the wife or the wife’s friends or children napalm the lives of the other woman. It’s a high risk game for the OP. What’s been said here by total strangers, will also be thought and maybe even said to her by her own family and acquaintances if the wife takes to social media to out her. Leaving aside the other revenge tactics you read about that OW have been subjected to. There really isn’t a lot in it for the OP

It’s also very relevant which site she found this guy on. If it was one of the sites for married people looking for affairs (as I suspect is likely given they were both married when this started) it’s actually explicit up front that no one is looking for a permanent relationship and that none of them are intending to leave their partners.

Anyone else getting Martha vibes from the OP though 😂😂

BookishType · 25/10/2024 10:32

You’re proving that misery loves company.

You’ve behaved badly. Telling the poor wife won’t make you feel better. Move on. Do better.

Girlmom35 · 25/10/2024 10:33

Your unhappiness is of your own making.
He forced you into nothing, you were a willing participant.

Revenge is an ugly colour on you. Focus on getting a grip on your life.

LoftyCoralPanda · 25/10/2024 10:36

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MrsSkylerWhite · 25/10/2024 10:38

No amount of bad luck entitles you to screw someone else’s husband.

dominique36 · 25/10/2024 10:52

You miserable horrible cow! What a life to live so miserably, it’s no one’s fault but your own! For staying in an unhappy marriage for so long and going after married men. You deserve to be miserable and bitter. Hope it was worth it! Ridiculous!

wizzler · 25/10/2024 10:53

You seem bitter that he can retire at and you need to work until you are 67. I don't understand why .

He was still living with his wife so you were very naive if you thought he was going to dig you out of a financial hole

LozC0411 · 25/10/2024 10:54

OP has gone very quiet, I would like to see what she has to say...

Fiestytiger · 25/10/2024 10:59

I’m not sure why it became about money. Most people will retire at 67. Stand on your own two feet. Make your own life and don’t rely on someone else would be my advice. Comparing your life and feeling sorry for yourself isn’t working. Change the narrative retrain get a better job and move on.

Eyesopenwideawake · 25/10/2024 11:04

Like a fool.

Fixed that for you.

Arwinsdanceshoes555 · 25/10/2024 11:11

Sorry op but your opening posting is just endless self-justifying excuses for your behaviour …

I’m not saying to be cruel but to get you to wake up!

~ your sexless marriage
~being overlooked for promotion at work
~an accident
~ menopause
~ Covid
~ being misled by the om
~ your naivety

And somehow the fact that you owe £20k to a solicitor and have sold your house is justification for ruining a perfectly innocent woman’s life?

Op loads of people have similar things happen to them and they don’t go on to have an extra-marital affair.

Your om hasn’t behaved well but at least he was honest from the start. He never promised you anything. How did you really think it would end?

Now is an opportunity to finally take responsibility for your own actions and not wreak more havoc! You apparently love this man but now you want to ruin his life and that of his wife?

I think you need to look at your own part in this and if you can acknowledge that you were a willing participant at every stage, then the framing in your own head of these events as, “om has done something terrible to me and I need to get revenge” will dissipate.

Have some dignity op and really face yourself in the mirror. You have made some terrible mistakes. Don’t go and add to them.

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/10/2024 11:13

I've been that wife. I can assure you whatever he's told you about his marriage is a lie. If you want to ruin another woman's life to get revenge then that speaks volumes about you.

Grow up and sort yourself out. I've got no sympathy for people like you. You're a grown ass woman and responsible for your own choices. He will continue to cheat, she probably knows, but like most married cheaters, he wants his cake and eat it. Feel sorry for her, but to inflict your anger on her is reprehensible.

lilacnapkin · 25/10/2024 11:23

Oh come on - you are being completely disingenuous here. Where was your yearning for the truth to come out when you were shagging this piece of human garbage? its funny how suddenly things arent going your way you want everything to burn.

You are coming across as a nasty spiteful piece of work and your entire back story is completely and utterly pointless and irrelevant to what's happening now.

Plenty of us have been through bad shit in our lives (far worse than your sob story) , it doesnt justify acting like an absolute idiot and then whining when it inevitably blows up in our faces.

You went into this with your eyes fully open, you arent a passenger in your own life, you were the driver, and you were fully complicit with every single decision the both of you made in your grubby little affair.

You can of course tell his wife if you so wish but I can absolutely guarantee you now, it wont end well for you. You have no idea how she, or her friends or family will react and your life may well end up being ruined even further as a result. Her family/friends may well decide to take a form of their own "revenge" on you and outing yourself to all and sundry as an pathetic nitwit who tried to break up another person's marriage could have far reaching consequences for your own life.

Be careful what you wish for. It applied the first time and it certainly applies to your current future revenge plans.

yeaitsmeagain · 25/10/2024 11:25

Andthesky · 25/10/2024 09:07

How would telling his wife help you with your debts?
You know nothing about her, other than what he has told you, and most of that is probably lies. I know MN have a 'female solidarity' thing where they believe the wife should be told. In the real world, lives and personalities are not one dimensional, and it is not your place to tell her except out of spite and a misplaced desire for revenge on him.

You chased a married man and got exactly what he promised you - nothing. Walk away, make it is his problem to live with whatever guilt he may or may not feel. Spend some time alone, working on yourself and try to find a healthy relationship if you don't want to be alone forever.

Presumably she was thinking she could blackmail him by threatening to tell.

lilacnapkin · 25/10/2024 11:27

yeaitsmeagain · 25/10/2024 11:25

Presumably she was thinking she could blackmail him by threatening to tell.

This is what I suspect too and blackmail is a serious criminal offence in UK law. She's an idiot if she thinks doing this will help her, it will likely land her with a criminal record.

LozC0411 · 25/10/2024 11:29

lilacnapkin · 25/10/2024 11:27

This is what I suspect too and blackmail is a serious criminal offence in UK law. She's an idiot if she thinks doing this will help her, it will likely land her with a criminal record.

Might teach her a lesson

MintTraybake · 25/10/2024 11:29

NameChange6025 · 25/10/2024 07:56

I know I will get a lot of grief over this post but I want to know what I should do. Walk away (and suffer in silence for the rest of my life) or say something.

I was married. As is he. I was in a sexless marriage and it was clear to be many years ago that my marriage was nothing more than a friendship. OM also married. He, to this day, insists his marriage is also sexless and it is his doing as he doesn’t find her attractive.

I went through a particularly bad part in life about 8 years ago. Lost close family (cancer and accident), was over-looked at work for a job I had worked hard to get (job went to manager’s personal friend) and a colleague ended up being forced out as she raised issues with the recruitment process (they made her life hell and she left and I lost a close colleague, who was my senior). I, and I was completely unaware at the time, hit menopause (at the younger end of the average age range). I became a different person once my periods stopped. I didn’t want to be around people, got anxiety and felt overwhelmed with everything. I went to the GP but was fobbed off. I came away empty handed and never went back. I also experienced, what I now know, is the sex surge of menopause. This went on for a couple of years. Just felt ridiculously horny all the time! Even started dressing differently and acting more confidently (which got me the promotion elsewhere). I am ashamed to say, I started chatting to men online and started to realise I had no sexual relationship with my husband (11 years my senior). I had been very naive and married in my early twenties. Never been with anyone else and had hidden myself away as a teenager rather than go out and meet people. I felt different through the menopause and started to analyse my marriage. We had no affection in the marriage. No kissing, no hugs and no sex. There had been no sex for over 11 years (it’s now 17-18 years). He was also poor in the bedroom (and very selfish) and, again through lack of experience, I didn’t know any different but felt under-whelmed until, eventually, I stopped it.

My feelings through the menopause led to me seeking out male companionship, and it was obvious I was craving something else.

I chatted to a few and found it a bit sleazy and well, stopped. Then went on again one night and chatted to a man at the other end of the country. We hit it off like old friends. It was very obvious we were going to get on well. We, we did. We spent hours and hours chatting online and on the phone. He told me, at the time, he didn’t get on with his wife, they didn’t connect, didn’t spend any time together and had no sex life. I, stupidly, remembered these words and even more stupidly, started to develop feelings for him. It became sexual on the phone and we both enjoyed it. I certainly did as I’d never experienced that before (and I have bottled up a lot of passion inside for years). He never wanted to meet and would cut contact if we came close or it went too far. He would say he gets carried away. But, I was experiencing a passionate man for the first time. We met after a year - we went for a drink and he chatted to me as a friend and I thought he’d drop me off at my hotel. He came
in and we chatted and had tea a while. We ended up kissing but he pulled away and it was obvious he had ‘snapped out of it’. He actually cut contact. He returned a couple of weeks later to say how attractive I was and that he couldn’t keep his hands off of me. I know I should’ve stopped it but I was already falling for him at this point. Like a fool.

He would say he got carried away and would pull back from the ‘friendship’ but it was obvious we got on well. He was very different to
my husband and gave lots of care and attention. By the way, I did end my marriage at this point as it made me realise there was something seriously wrong with my relationship at home.

OM and I met every time I went down to the area and we ended up having passionate sex over and over. Of course, I was in love with him by now. It has gone on 8 years. He would feel guilty and then would butter me up again and it would start again. He would then start going quiet and started telling me he couldn’t give me what I deserved and that I was a nice lady, blah blah. He did stop phoning me as much over time. It went from daily phone calls (some many hours long) to one a month, and completely platonic.

Through some detective work, I got hold of some
photos of his wife and their wedding date. It was obvious his 20th wedding anniversary was coming up. Of course, the increased guilt and approaching anniversary led to him being increasingly quiet. I decided to go and see
him (twice) to talk as I wanted answers as to why he had led me a line etc. We went for a walk and he sat me by a lake. We chatted. He said he felt like he wanted to be hit by a truck each time we’d met (guilt). He said he loved his wife and was never going to be there for me. He had been encouraging me to join a gym, badminton group
to meet people. Anyway, we met again and again ended up in bed. Then he started going quiet after I got upset and told him I was in love with him. Yes, I know. I am an idiot. I was
worried he was going to go. He said he wouldn’t and I wanted to remain friends. I went
down again last week and we chatted for hours. He came to my room and sat in a chair
and told me more about his marriage. He said there was no sex life but that they were best friends and looked after/out for each other. He said he wasn’t attracted to her (weight) and he was the one who stopped the sex but they have an affectionate marriage , apparently. This isn’t what he told me, initially. I then got a lecture on how marriage is more than just sex. He admitted he had been using chat sites on and off since shortly after their marriage. He had been looking at what he wanted out of life and realised he was being unfair to his wife and to me. He stopped using the sites years ago (I do
believe this) but remained friends with me as he ‘thought a lot of me’. He has asked
me numerous times to meet other people (in the hope of finding a man who can give me what I deserve).

Anyway, anniversary was the other day and guess what? He has deleted his FB account and messenger has gone with it! I have his number and he doesn’t seem to have blocked me on there but it’s obvious he wants me to move on.

However, apart from being in love with him (like an idiot), I now have £20k solicitor fees repay and sell the house. Meaning I have lost my financial future and I am now completely alone. I ended up leaving the job as it was too far away and Covid caused issues and I now in another job that also involves a night away (at my expense) and I don’t like it. I am very unhappy in my life and in a much worse position to what I was 8 years ago. Still alone. I tried dating sites to avoid the above with no luck. I didn’t like anyone and my feelings for OM were too strong.

OM has met someone before. He told me. He said he was guilty for years but ended up
doing it again. They have inherited money recently and both are retiring early (she is 60
and he is 54). Meanwhile, I will have to work till 67 and pay another mortgage after being mortgage free for years. My children live with their father mostly.

I am very hurt he has deleted his account without actually telling me first. It is obvious he wants to move on and get on with his life as if nothing has happened.

My life is in tatters. I am seriously unhappy in my life now. So much so, I am having dark thoughts creep in. I want to tell his wife. He has completely spun me a line. The guilt kicks in and he starts again. I know who she is and where she is. What would you do?

OP - I understand your feelings of betrayal from this person and also a sadness at the results of your actions and the huge impact its had on your life while also recogising the part you played.

You will always get these harsh comments here about keeping the wife out of it etc etc, and there are huge implications if you do decide to tell her, but she also should have informed consent.

Maybe she doesn't want to live her life in a fantasy world of thinking her husband is not a liar. He has betrayed their vows regardless of your input. You wont have been the first or the last he does this with - i speak from experience.

if his wife wants to stay, you are not shattering their life - he did. I would tread very carefully, the implications of telling her/their family can be huge. And because she will be hurting, doesn't mean you will be hurting any less. but this doesn't mean i don't think you should tell her. I would personally avoid big occasions, weddings, anniversaries, babies in the family etc - the stress this information can cause is awful and she doesn't deserve any of it.

If it was me - I would want to know so that i could choose how to live my life and not have a man who I thought loved and respected me, deciding that for me behind my back and putting me at risk of diseases.

if you want to message me; feel free. there is more i would not feel comfortable writing here but its impacted my life hugely for the last 18 months.

look after your self please, life is clumsy, you cant stop feelings sometimes, but definitely try doing some work to be happy by yourself. Hobbies, friends, anything to get back to you again x

TwistedWonder · 25/10/2024 11:30

yeaitsmeagain · 25/10/2024 11:25

Presumably she was thinking she could blackmail him by threatening to tell.

Either that or once his wife knows he’ll suddenly realise his much he really loves the OK and they’ll run off into the sunset hand in hand with a huge bag marked Swag

Speiln · 25/10/2024 11:33

TwistedWonder · 25/10/2024 11:30

Either that or once his wife knows he’ll suddenly realise his much he really loves the OK and they’ll run off into the sunset hand in hand with a huge bag marked Swag

Or just wants to cause misery to him and his wife to make herself feel better somehow. Just a case of bitterness.

SetinTime · 25/10/2024 11:34

OP nothing good will come from you telling the wife...I do bet on almost everything I have that he will contact you again and the cycle will start all over again but to what end?

He's not gonna leave his wife for you. You are just an occasional booty call. Just sex. He doesn't love you. He is using you.

I suggest therapy and try to pick up what's left of your broken heart. You still have a lot of life left in you. Don't let a stupid mistake ruin it.

Good luck x

YouOKHun · 25/10/2024 11:39

NameChange6025 · 25/10/2024 08:50

I feel that he has got away with it and has strung me along. I am well aware that we were both in the wrong.

So to stop him "getting away with it" you are prepared to destroy the only innocent party who has done nothing wrong?

You need to take full responsibility for your choices in getting and staying involved with a such a weak excuse for a man. Taking responsibility means accepting that you have been the architect of your own downfall, taking yourself in hand, seeking psychological support to work out how to do things differently and moving on with your life. You are not a victim of circumstance.

Start making the right choices. Destroying his DW's life isn't one of them.

1dayatatime · 25/10/2024 11:40

@SophiaJ8

"t’s never actually about female solidarity. It’s ‘I’m in the shits, why shouldn’t she be too?’

Jealousy and spite."

Oooo - exactly - hit the nail on the head with that one !

Devonshiregal · 25/10/2024 11:41

NameChange6025 · 25/10/2024 08:50

I feel that he has got away with it and has strung me along. I am well aware that we were both in the wrong.

I (and apparently every other reader) might be missing something because how on earth is this man responsible for your financial situation?

I’m guessing that you feel this way because you fantasised that you two would end up together and live happily ever after and retire together and travel the world, right?

well even if he told you that that is what he wanted, he changed his mind. And that’s ok. No one owes you a relationship. Things went tits up and now you’re looking green eyed at his inheritance thinking if you hadn’t met him and if he hadn’t strung you along you’d not have made the decisions you did financially and you’d be in a better position. It’s all his fault. Foot stomp.

the reality is you’re a cheat - fine, you mistakenly married a man and didn’t live life the way you wanted and wanted to test the waters but come on love it was a decade of fucking about behind your husband’s back. Jus divorce the old fucker if he’s that boring and blah.

the reality is you’re a sucker/fantasist - OM is clearly gross. He used chat rooms from early in his marriage (ick) and cheated on her consistently (dick) and then when inheritance rolled in he decided to stick it out (prick). He’s really not leading man material, he’s a bad guy. And you’re pining after him pathetically.

the reality is YOU ARE THE REASON you’re in this situation and ONLY YOU can fix it. Fucking hell love if you feel you wasted your life divorce the husband, chuck the waste of space OM and get out into the world. Learn from your mistakes.

personally I’m in favour of telling the wife because I think women need to warn each other and have each other’s back but if he’s been doing this their whole marriage she either turns a blind eye or he’s an excellent excellent liar in which case at this point really blah what’s it to you?

if you want him back, telling his wife won’t help. If you want him to pay you “reparations” for his bad behaviour…we’ll take it to a lawyer. And wait for them to look at you blankly then burst out laughing.

also watch he’s just not that into you. It will help with your dating life going forward.

YouOKHun · 25/10/2024 11:46

@NameChange6025 this is the best source for counselling support. Have a look at the database. www.bacp.co.uk

itsmylife7 · 25/10/2024 11:48

What's your debts got to do with him ?