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Anyone else trying not to contact a guy 3

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SunsetSkylane · 10/10/2024 21:22

Anyone still want to chat?

@pubertyalloveragain I think you posted last on thread 2, how you doing?

@namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 @Thewookiemustgo another thread if you want it, or maybe you're all magically cured - or maybe Wookie is sick of our shit 😂😂

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SunsetSkylane · 04/11/2024 07:57

@lovelymango it's exhausting. My work is just...not my home. And I know most people don't expect that of work but I've had it before, and I have high expectations really I guess.

I'm the boss and older than my team by a lot, and there's nobody there's who's mine. He was mine.

What's the deal with your work?

It doesn't help does it, having other difficulties 🙁

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Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 10:28

@Vanishedinexplicably I agree it’s so very cruel. Given all the things he has said to you, it’s a terrible way to treat someone, which is exactly why you need to leave it all alone.
I’m not sure there’s an explanation for this that he could tell you that would explain or excuse it at all. If he can text like he used to he could text now.
What concerns me is that if he texts you with a ‘reason’ you might be so desperate to believe it that you’ll put yourself back at square one, living in hope that one day he’ll leave his wife, now with an added awful worry of “What if he just disappears again?” because now you know he’s capable of this.
A while back you urged a poster to heed what I said about actions not matching up to words.
His don’t.
I honestly am not judging and I get how these things happen.
My worry for you is that you’re trying to play down the situation you are in on one hand, then writing about the seriousness of the feelings and hopes for the future together on the other. How you are rationalising things in your head seems at odds with itself. You say PPs are overstating your ‘situationship ‘ and you have never defined your relationship, this is why I think you are at odds with yourself internally.
You have strong feelings and they have nowhere to go, because you’re not married to each other or partners or boyfriend/ girlfriend like a normal relationship, so you can’t find a definition for what’s going on. With no definition, you try to rationalise his behaviour in terms of the normal ‘rules’ of normal, open relationships. So his behaviour appears bizarre.
This is why his behaviour is inexplicable, because who in a normal open relationship says these things then ghosts and vanishes without an explanation? Not many people. Once you do give your relationship a definition, it operates under different rules than normal relationships and his behaviour becomes far easier to explain . No less shit, of course, but once you call it what it is, far more plausible explanations offer themselves.
You are married, he is married, you have secretly messaged each other, spoken and met up, shared private confidences about your marriages with each other, declared feelings for each other and discussed a possible future together and leaving your marriages. All secretly, all held together by deception.
The definition of your situationship/ relationship is an emotional affair.
If his wife presented screenshots of your messages and what you have written here to the company, what would they say it was? She wouldn’t need to present it as an affair, it presents itself as an affair. If it was all ok it would have to be a secret or be any kind of risk. Once you accept this, and see his behaviour as affair behaviour, things become way clearer.
What he is doing is absolutely explicable in terms of affair behaviour. Sudden disappearance means one of two things: he’s had enough and wanted out, or she found out. Either way he’s a coward and not facing things like he really should.
Personally I’d bet my bottom dollar she’s found out and now sadly you are finding out by his actions what he intends to do about it.
I’m a random stranger on the internet who only has what you write to go on, I don’t pretend or presume for a second to know what has gone on between you, him, his wife and your husband. I didn’t realise he lives abroad but to be honest this would make me take it all with a pinch of salt even more, he knows he can say anything and you’ll never know.
As such, on the surface and with scant information and understanding, granted,I am not in the situation, but I do have an objective outside viewpoint.
The problem is that you are telling me it’s not the script, but I can see an awful lot if it in your story, Saying ‘if only we’d met twenty years earlier we’d have been together’ is a classic, (we could all meet anyone who if we hadn’t met our husbands we might have married) but I’m not you or him therefore you know better than me and this is only my opinion, not fact based on being there.
I really hope it isn’t, because he’s already caused you a world of pain and I feel there’s more where that came from if you pursue him.
I don’t think it’s all cynical and he never meant a word or cared about you etc at all, no, however, I do think that everything he’s said benefits him more than you. He knows that this stuff is lovely to hear and that you won’t be going anywhere soon if you think there’s more of that on the way. He can enjoy himself whenever he wants to as long as you’re invested. He thinks his wife is far enough away in another life compartment to ever find out. That stuff keeps you invested, hoping and dangling and he knows you only have his word to go on. He knows you are a nice trusting person who wouldn’t dream of not believing him. That alone is cruel and selfish in itself of him.
All those lovely words and yet still he’s with his wife and you’re with your husband.
I hope you find the strength to stay away and I’m glad you have real life support as you say you are unhappy in your marriage and being made miserable by him and his, I think you deserve better. Concentrate on you now and either improving your marriage or making plans to leave it so that you can be happy. Living in limbo certainly won’t do that.

lovelymango · 04/11/2024 13:30

SunsetSkylane · 04/11/2024 07:57

@lovelymango it's exhausting. My work is just...not my home. And I know most people don't expect that of work but I've had it before, and I have high expectations really I guess.

I'm the boss and older than my team by a lot, and there's nobody there's who's mine. He was mine.

What's the deal with your work?

It doesn't help does it, having other difficulties 🙁

Horrible colleague and my anxiety has just got worse until I made loads of mistakes and stopped paying attention to things. So boss got her eye on me now. That’s the short version. No it doesn’t 😔

Frith2013 · 04/11/2024 14:10

I'm having a horrible day today.

My proper ex (one before the one in this thread) has pretty much kept away from me. 8 months now.

I don't know what possessed me but today I got a friend of mine to text him (2 bits of information that might be useful for him).

It used to really bloody annoy me in the early days when he used to send me messages via other people and now I've finally done the same!

So I'm cross with myself about that, cross with him for all his bad points that meant we had to split up and cross with the ex in this thread (prat ex) merely for existing.

Got to go to work soon and be polite to people...

MainlyWater · 04/11/2024 14:13

@Thewookiemustgo

Sudden dissapearance means one of two things....

May I suggest a third option, he may have found a new love intrest.

One of pitfalls of having affairs is that eventually you may get found out, so it makes sense to line others up, men who decieve on a daily basis have no bias to who they lie to or not.
Believing you are the only one because of time constraints or naivity of thinking they of good character is foolhardy.

This could be his sport, his game, there are alot like this, players.
This is very plausable and in keeping with his character.

He never offered you a future or anything, you were just hoping this meant as much to him as it did to you, he's taking you for a mug and getting what he wants in the process, you will keep holding on desperately to confirm this had meaning and a conclusion will one day transpire, many men don't work like that they live in the here and now, the present, that's where they get away with all their most fun games.

Once you start to expect outcomes that is when they put in place boundaries, you will be devalued for his own good.
He expects you to play the game and expect nothing, after all his wife has had to accept it, why not you.
Many of these men have screwed up morals and they find others to play with who have the same values, what he will not understand is you changing the rules and expecting respect.

Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 14:55

@MainlyWater I agree and was going to suggest the third option you mention but I didn’t, because I think Vanished believes him and his motives as she thinks they stand. It could absolutely also be what happened though.
My main point to Vanished was that because it’s a secret relationship, an emotional affair, he’s going to operate under those conditions. If he needs to suddenly cut and run to avoid blowing up what he wants the most, he will. Normal out in the open relationships are not under these restraints, so whilst people do do this, it’s far rarer.
He will think that what he said in the affair situation belongs in the affair situation and although he will clearly know it hurts Vanished, if he sticks around to explain it all he could lose everything. Doesn’t make it right at all but he sees it as the only logical way out. He’s selfish and whilst logical to him, it’s very selfish and cruel.
The risks to his marriage, Vanished’s marriage and by the sounds of it his job as well, are huge. If he’s not prepared to lose his marriage or his job and his wife has found out, especially if she was jealous of them before, she’ll know she was right all along now and her minimum requirement will be that he ends it and never contacts Vanished again. To me it’s the most plausible but I’m guessing so obviously I don’t know the truth.
In the affair bubble he meant every word but if his wife pops that bubble he’ll deny it or say that he never meant it and he’ll act like that too.
I know I’m like a broken record but actions that do not match words show that those words have very little value. Whilst waiting for contact all the lovely words get replayed and pored over and become the gospel. To me, he’s not living up to what he said. In my situation years ago I did this, tried to find excuses for his awful treatment of me to allow me to believe he really cared about me the way he said he did. He didn’t act like it and eventually I saw it. The realisation was agony, but it had to happen. To try to believe things in order to avoid feeling the hurt is very dangerous and keeps people hanging around and hoping but miserable and not living.
Searching for plausible alternative explanations which mean he’s still a nice guy keeps you trapped. Currently at the moment he’s not being a nice guy at all to Vanished and because I want to support her I really want her to see how he’s behaving and stay strong. Halloween was special to their affair relationship but he ignored the reaching out. Nice men who are as invested in you as he said he was don’t do this. He’s acting in his own interests, not hers.
He’s just not worth the heartbreak.

MainlyWater · 04/11/2024 15:23

Oh I agree but the options may overlap, his wife may have more evidence about @Vanishedinexplicably so all the more reason for another source of fun to be shunted up with his time.

Whilst wifey is all out on a mission to prevent her h and Vanish from meeting, he will be hapily getting away with it elsewhere.

He's a liar Vanished, once you understand that you can start taking control.

Vanishedinexplicably · 04/11/2024 19:21

lovelymango · 04/11/2024 13:30

Horrible colleague and my anxiety has just got worse until I made loads of mistakes and stopped paying attention to things. So boss got her eye on me now. That’s the short version. No it doesn’t 😔

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That’s tough @lovelymango . Do you have a mentor or someone you could turn to for advice? Or a frank chat with your boss about the impact colleague has had? What are your options more broadly? Can you change teams/company?
I empathise with you too @SunsetSkylane . I’ve just switched jobs and I like it, like the people but saw former colleagues last week and realised how much I miss the closeness I had with them. Can you look to peers to get that family feel, rather than your own team? I’ve made one friend with this dynamic. We are similar roles in different areas.

Vanishedinexplicably · 04/11/2024 19:47

@Thewookiemustgo thanks for the balanced advice. I’m not contacting him currently, intending to stay away. I am taking heed of his actions. I am still 50:50 on whether his wife has issued an ultimatum or he’s just decided he needed to remove himself from temptation. I may never know. It’s the failure to tell me that I have most issue with, followed by missing the support and friendship.

Still think people are overblowing this and filling in gaps incorrectly. We haven’t been “making plans” to leave for example. He asked how things were, and I told him what I was thinking.periodically - we’ve discussed this because our situations were so similar. The main difference being he said he still loves his wife and was hopeful of working it out. I’m more in the trust has gone, staying for the children, and finances but not totally decided either because I’m still very angry and that’s not a good time to make decisions. I’ve discussed the same with a couple of other trusted friends, it does not mean I’m having an affair them. It was after that he said about also having feelings for me. I said in short I could see he was conflicted and wouldn’t push him. He should think and we should talk again another time about what those feelings might be/any potential future together. Basically the very start of a potential relationship. He hasn’t been having “fun” or “sport” with me. But I’ve explained all this over and over so probably Best to leave it there because the interpretations are getting divorced from reality. Possible there’s someone else but unlikely given he hardly has time to breathe.

MainlyWater · 04/11/2024 20:03

"Given he hardly has time to breath"

Ask someone whose busy and all that.

These men make time, or put on a front that they are so busy and that busyness is always innocent. If they have oportunities to meet people they have oportunities to flirt, chat up and put in place new connections. Every interaction can become a new liason, a new friend, a new admirer. this is what they live for.

Men with no integrity don't suddenly stop being predatory when they are away from you, he will be using the same tactics and lines that were given to you.

Whether you choose to believe that he's a good guy is another thing, but he's actively told you he loves his wife whilst at the same time telling you he cares for you.

You are being naive, fair enough if you enjoy his body but make sure to keep safe, your sexual health could be compromised, by this reckless man.

Vanishedinexplicably · 04/11/2024 20:08

Also, there’s a big difference between Halloween was a time of big connection between us (which is what I said) and “Halloween was special in our affair”. It wasn’t any more special than several other things we would connect over. Also, we have sufficient connections via others that he couldn’t just hide everything.

Also, his wife cheated and blew up their marriage, so far worse than his behaviour and no one is rushing to condemn that. I’m thankfully in the place where I think if he’s going to settle for that, and the way she treats him generally, rather than the honest relationship he and I could potentially have had (after leaving marriages) he’s a fool.

Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 20:14

I think you’re doing the right thing if he’s told you he loves his wife and he’s disappeared for whatever reason. He should have explained what he was doing, not just disappear, but I guess the net result for you is the same so whilst you haven’t got an answer as to why, at least now you have an answer as to what he wanted to do.

Hope you can get some improvement in your own relationship and get some clarity about what you want to do, everyone deserves some happiness.

SunsetSkylane · 04/11/2024 20:17

I wish @Vanishedinexplicably but I don't really have a peer, I genuinely miss it terribly every day. Just someone to have a coffee with, maybe nip out for lunch with.

My team are all a lot younger than me, and I try to hang back as let's be honest, none of them want someone their mums age following them to Tesco at lunchtime.

I am just lonely. It's so boring and dreary and gives me too much time to think and severe rose tinted spectacles for the past.

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MainlyWater · 04/11/2024 20:27

@Vanishedinexplicably
Of course he can hide things, he has from his wife. And as for her infedelity, do you know the details, when it was, how long ago, who the person was, whether he had been faithful before hand.

You have placed much trust with this man, which isn't a problem if you don't have feelings but it is apparent that you do.
Would you be upset if you found out he had other women, with emotional connections, that you wern't his best friend and best confidant.

I think you would, protect yourself.
Going all in when you have a emotional and physical backdrop of a husband in the background makes it easier for you to get involved, to lower your guard and pretend that love is all you need but take that husband away and it becomes real and important to know about your future security.

Nothing about your relationship is honest, he's not and you are not.

Be honest, do you think he loves and adores you above all others.
Do you love and adore him.

Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 20:56

@Vanishedinexplicably I do condemn his wife’s behaviour. His wife has had an affair, terrible behaviour, yes. He has had an emotional affair, also terrible behaviour.
The thing is, that there are no excuses for cheating, it’s a personal choice. No cheat is better or worse than another, they’re both cheats. She presumably got caught and threw a grenade into the marriage, he’s already taken the pin out of another, the harm
would be the same.
No matter how badly somebody treats you, you can choose your response. The person treating you badly didn’t force you to cheat. You can choose not to, or to walk away if you think you’re tempted. Feelings are no excuse either, you might feel you’re being swept away but they never render you incapable of stopping a behaviour or walking away. Interaction is a choice. Carrying it on is a choice.
It’s also a choice to stay with somebody after infidelity. When he chose to stay with his wife, presumably it was because he wanted to stay in a monogamous relationship with her and didn’t want her to do this again. So the score is then understood to be settled and the rules of the marriage remained the same as before: both partners being faithful.
In some ways his being upset by and complaining to someone else about her cheating, then doing it himself, is actually worse to me.
It makes no difference if she had a physical or emotional affair, infidelity doesn’t have to involve sex. She was unfaithful and so was he. He then held her to a standard of behaviour in their marriage, no doubt only stayed on condition that she stopped her affair, then got caught texting you. She quite rightly gave up her affair partner to stay with him, on the understanding that he was a faithful partner. In the end he wasn’t.
Her cheating was her responsibility, he didn’t cause it. She chose it. His cheating is his responsibility, she didn’t cause it. It’s a choice, nobody makes you do it or makes you keep texting and calling. Her infidelity had nothing to do with it.
People treating you badly is no reason to betray them. It’s a reason to honestly demand better in the relationship, sort out the issues, or decide it’s not going to change and take steps to end it.
I will absolutely condemn her cheating, she had other options and chose to betray her husband. I also condemn his, he had other options but chose to confess feelings for you and let a friendship cross a boundary after choosing to stay with his wife, who presumably thought she’d been forgiven.
His behaviour could also blow up the family and threatens his job and their income too.
I also think that if, as you maintain, this was just a friendship that crossed a boundary, then the potential honest future you think you might have had was and still is a fantasy. Nobody would blow up a marriage for that unless the marriage was truly over and they wanted to leave and had made their mind up to anyway.
There’s a lot of danger in “would be/ if only/ would have been” because it’s all based on an imaginary situation and not reality. It remains the unchallenged ‘better’ option because it’s never been tested by real life.
A man who says he loves his wife and is trying to save his marriage isn’t thinking like that. He’s invested in creating a better future with her, not the fantasy. His about turn suggests the fantasy was a crutch to lean on and escape into to make him feel better, now too risky to indulge himself with.
I’m glad for everyone involved, including and especially you, that it has stopped.

Vanishedinexplicably · 04/11/2024 21:27

MainlyWater · 04/11/2024 20:27

@Vanishedinexplicably
Of course he can hide things, he has from his wife. And as for her infedelity, do you know the details, when it was, how long ago, who the person was, whether he had been faithful before hand.

You have placed much trust with this man, which isn't a problem if you don't have feelings but it is apparent that you do.
Would you be upset if you found out he had other women, with emotional connections, that you wern't his best friend and best confidant.

I think you would, protect yourself.
Going all in when you have a emotional and physical backdrop of a husband in the background makes it easier for you to get involved, to lower your guard and pretend that love is all you need but take that husband away and it becomes real and important to know about your future security.

Nothing about your relationship is honest, he's not and you are not.

Be honest, do you think he loves and adores you above all others.
Do you love and adore him.

@MainlyWater your posts on my situation have zero grounding in reality and nothing helpful to offer and appear just to be an opportunity to criticise and condemn. This thread was aimed at people in same situation supporting each other through difficult situations.

Vanishedinexplicably · 04/11/2024 21:40

Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 20:56

@Vanishedinexplicably I do condemn his wife’s behaviour. His wife has had an affair, terrible behaviour, yes. He has had an emotional affair, also terrible behaviour.
The thing is, that there are no excuses for cheating, it’s a personal choice. No cheat is better or worse than another, they’re both cheats. She presumably got caught and threw a grenade into the marriage, he’s already taken the pin out of another, the harm
would be the same.
No matter how badly somebody treats you, you can choose your response. The person treating you badly didn’t force you to cheat. You can choose not to, or to walk away if you think you’re tempted. Feelings are no excuse either, you might feel you’re being swept away but they never render you incapable of stopping a behaviour or walking away. Interaction is a choice. Carrying it on is a choice.
It’s also a choice to stay with somebody after infidelity. When he chose to stay with his wife, presumably it was because he wanted to stay in a monogamous relationship with her and didn’t want her to do this again. So the score is then understood to be settled and the rules of the marriage remained the same as before: both partners being faithful.
In some ways his being upset by and complaining to someone else about her cheating, then doing it himself, is actually worse to me.
It makes no difference if she had a physical or emotional affair, infidelity doesn’t have to involve sex. She was unfaithful and so was he. He then held her to a standard of behaviour in their marriage, no doubt only stayed on condition that she stopped her affair, then got caught texting you. She quite rightly gave up her affair partner to stay with him, on the understanding that he was a faithful partner. In the end he wasn’t.
Her cheating was her responsibility, he didn’t cause it. She chose it. His cheating is his responsibility, she didn’t cause it. It’s a choice, nobody makes you do it or makes you keep texting and calling. Her infidelity had nothing to do with it.
People treating you badly is no reason to betray them. It’s a reason to honestly demand better in the relationship, sort out the issues, or decide it’s not going to change and take steps to end it.
I will absolutely condemn her cheating, she had other options and chose to betray her husband. I also condemn his, he had other options but chose to confess feelings for you and let a friendship cross a boundary after choosing to stay with his wife, who presumably thought she’d been forgiven.
His behaviour could also blow up the family and threatens his job and their income too.
I also think that if, as you maintain, this was just a friendship that crossed a boundary, then the potential honest future you think you might have had was and still is a fantasy. Nobody would blow up a marriage for that unless the marriage was truly over and they wanted to leave and had made their mind up to anyway.
There’s a lot of danger in “would be/ if only/ would have been” because it’s all based on an imaginary situation and not reality. It remains the unchallenged ‘better’ option because it’s never been tested by real life.
A man who says he loves his wife and is trying to save his marriage isn’t thinking like that. He’s invested in creating a better future with her, not the fantasy. His about turn suggests the fantasy was a crutch to lean on and escape into to make him feel better, now too risky to indulge himself with.
I’m glad for everyone involved, including and especially you, that it has stopped.

@Thewookiemustgo thank you for trying to help but I’m tired of going over this. Every time I try to explain that it’s being overcooked I get the same thing and opinion being treated as fact. That he still felt he loved her was known to me from the outset, it’s not new. But he wasn’t totally sure. As I said he’d tried a few times to sort things out. She didn’t know what she wanted either. All this stuff about a fantasy is just imaginary, I have explained where we were in discussions, very tentative, very conscious of our situations.

You can be glad it’s stopped because it fits your morals, I am very clearly not because I know the reality and this sudden end has been horrible. I’ve lost a lot, and am still devastated. It’s impacting by wellbeing. And being portrayed in this way isn’t helping at all, in fact it’s really upset me. So please again, can everyone just drop the over-analysis now.

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Frith2013 · 04/11/2024 14:10

I'm having a horrible day today.

My proper ex (one before the one in this thread) has pretty much kept away from me. 8 months now.

I don't know what possessed me but today I got a friend of mine to text him (2 bits of information that might be useful for him).

It used to really bloody annoy me in the early days when he used to send me messages via other people and now I've finally done the same!

So I'm cross with myself about that, cross with him for all his bad points that meant we had to split up and cross with the ex in this thread (prat ex) merely for existing.

Got to go to work soon and be polite to people...

Sorry to hear this @Frith2013 . Hope work takes your mind off it all

SunsetSkylane · 04/11/2024 21:50

Please can this not become a lecturing thread. It worked really well when it was more of a screaming into the void type affair.

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Thewookiemustgo · 04/11/2024 22:46

@Vanishedinexplicably my posts are based on what you have written. More information gets added in your replies which sometimes alters the impact of a statement made earlier, which then changes the import of the narrative. Hence misunderstandings arise and former emphasis gets minimised, leading to misinterpretation.
By fantasy I meant that any future together was and is a fantasy as it has not happened yet. Nobody could know how it would pan out.
I am glad it has stopped not because it suits my morals, my morals don’t help you. Morals and personal belief systems are for each individual to wrestle with. I can explain what I see in terms of my personal beliefs but would not project them on to you, they are mine based on my lived experience.
Morals pay no attention to pain. They remain our personal truths which are uncomfortable and inconvenient at times but hopefully guide our personal choices to avoid being hurt ourselves and to avoid our choices hurting others.
I’m more concerned about people hurting and being hurt than the right or wrong of it. Nobody is perfect and we all have the capacity to hurt and be hurt by others, no matter which morals we ascribe to.
He’s not posting here for support, nor his wife, you are, so I see them as irrelevant morally speaking, because I choose to support you. I only referenced their behaviour because you noticed that nobody was “rushing to condemn his wife”. In condemning anyone a moral element is unavoidable. Condemnation of any kind usually decides whether the behaviour was ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ and therefore involves the moral and ethical nature of the behaviour being discussed. Condemning someone in isolation and using it to excuse similar poor behaviour in another isn’t fair, infidelity is either wrong or it isn’t, no matter the degree to which it descended.
I’m just glad it’s stopped because you won’t get hurt any more by him. I point it out to try to lessen your pain, as with the best will in the world and as gently as I can, I feel that you can’t or won’t see that he has done far more to you than ghost you. He is being unfair to you and his wife. You are a nice person who wants to defend him in everything except ghosting you and seem to want to excuse it by emphasising his wife’s atrocious behaviour.
He is no better. He doesn’t deserve such loving loyalty, he has not extended it to you.
If you could see that he is not as nice as you think he is, you wouldn’t hurt as much as you do.
I just want your hurt to stop, yours and everybody’s here. Allow yourself to see the truth about these men and that your love and the headspace they occupy is the last thing they deserve from you. Once you see it you’ll escape like I did. You’ll never look back and the freedom that gives you is priceless.

Vanishedinexplicably · 05/11/2024 00:43

SunsetSkylane · 04/11/2024 20:17

I wish @Vanishedinexplicably but I don't really have a peer, I genuinely miss it terribly every day. Just someone to have a coffee with, maybe nip out for lunch with.

My team are all a lot younger than me, and I try to hang back as let's be honest, none of them want someone their mums age following them to Tesco at lunchtime.

I am just lonely. It's so boring and dreary and gives me too much time to think and severe rose tinted spectacles for the past.

That is tough @SunsetSkylane . I can understand how that dynamic with age/roles is hard, then to have no peer roles to lean on. Work is such a good distraction from things when it’s engaging and fun. Are you inclined to ride it out for a bit or look around?

SunsetSkylane · 05/11/2024 06:51

Oh I'm looking around, trust me!

How you doing?

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SunsetSkylane · 05/11/2024 10:48

@lovelymango what's the news, how you doing pal?

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