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Anyone else trying not to contact a guy 3

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SunsetSkylane · 10/10/2024 21:22

Anyone still want to chat?

@pubertyalloveragain I think you posted last on thread 2, how you doing?

@namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 @Thewookiemustgo another thread if you want it, or maybe you're all magically cured - or maybe Wookie is sick of our shit 😂😂

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Purpledaisies4 · 18/10/2024 14:54

Could I join please. Please no judgement as I know this whole situation is wrong, I'll try to keep it brief.
Me & one of the dads from school started getting close around 6 months ago (yes we are both married) it turned physical & then he said he couldn't carry on cause of the hurt it would cause, fair enough, this then happened another 3 times, off on off on. The last time we slept together was 6 weeks ago & a few days after he said he didn't want our situation again but we agreed to stay friends (yes I know) we message a couple times a week & we met for coffee a couple weeks ago, nothing happened just 2 mates having a coffee. He occasionally pops into my work to say hello. Saturday night I messaged him about something as he's been a bit down & he said he'd been looking at pictures of me & he felt better but then yesterday I see him at school & he completely blanks me, he looked really unhappy so I messaged him later on to see if he was OK he replied & said he was good, I asked if he was free for a coffee next week & I've been completely ignored (not for the first time when I've asked if he's free for a coffee) I just don't know what's going on with him he's like 2 totally different people, why say he'd been looking at pics of me then completely ignore me. A few weeks ago he saw me upset in my car at school & he messaged the next day to say he hated seeing me cry & wanted to cuddle me. Is he worried about us getting close again maybe? It was his suggestion we stayed friends which I am fine with, I do think about him quite alot but I'd rather have him in my life as a friend than loose him completely. It's all I can think about at the moment, part of me thinks don't message but the other part of me thinks I deserve an explanation.

Thewookiemustgo · 18/10/2024 15:46

@SunsetSkylane I’m going to tell you the truth because I’m in your corner, I truly am. It’s because trying to dress this up as anything else than what I am about to tell you, is lying to yourself and ultimately very damaging to you. You end up learning to excuse yourself and it’s a slippery slope to giving yourself permission to do things that later on you’ll not like about yourself and regret later.

Here it is:
anything you can’t tell the truth about to your husband, about a friendship with another man, is cheating, ‘sleight of hand’ is lying and deception.

Is that really you, SunsetSkylane? I don’t think it is.

You cave in and see him. What then? A message about how great it was to catch up over lunch? Another lunch? More obsessing?

All the energy you are spending on this other man is taking energy away from your relationship with your husband. If you truly don’t want to end your marriage, have a talk with your husband and start investing the energy in what you really want.
You can’t have both and be truly happy and if he guesses what could be about to happen or has happened, you may no longer have a choice. Imagine for a second that he’s just told you he knows what you’ve written here and what you are considering. What would you feel? Relief or horror? What would you say? Not asking these questions allows you to not have to choose, to not have to do anything which might be difficult about making yourself happy.

Here’s where lying to ourselves, no matter how small it starts, leads ultimately to disaster:

My husband had a full blown affair and just as he was getting pressure from OW to leave me, I found out. Even he thought he was going to leave, but the more she questioned why he hadn’t left yet as promised, he found himself making up excuses rather than actually planning it or doing it. He didn’t know why, as he kept telling himself he was going to leave. If he was going to leave, how come each time it came to it, he didn’t want to? Confusion reigned. When he was with her he thought he wanted to leave me. At home with me he was happy and didn’t want to. As the two compartments got closer he realised both couldn’t be true. As this penny was starting to drop and starting to muddy the affair waters, the unthinkable happened. I knew.
The reality of me knowing woke him up and he was horrified. No more luxury of not having to make a decision.
He said “I was astonished at how quickly it just turned to shit.” He’d been like you, infatuated and obsessing and mooning about her for a year. The obsessing and excitement and fun vanished overnight. It shocked him because in his parallel universe he thought it was real. It confused him because he thought he knew his own mind, His own mind was trying to tell him the truth but that got in the way of the affair fun, so to shut it up he lied to himself. When I found out, he couldn’t lie to himself about himself any more. He had to face what a shit husband and father he was being and that he was using one woman to prop up his ego and another to give him a stable and happy home life.
He was quite deservedly disgusted. To say that cheats merrily get off scot-free if they are allowed to stay is not true. It hurts massively to face what you did and who you are. It hurts massively to see the hurt you have inflicted that you can’t undo. It hurts massively to also know there is nobody to blame for this but yourself. This truth nearly killed him, not that MN, or me, for that matter, would have any sympathy.

All this pain starting from a few tiny lies: when he took her number: “I’m in a new job in a new city. I don’t know anyone so it’s ok to have a new friend. It’s only lunch with a mate.” Each line he crossed he brushed away with a lie, until ‘just making a new friend in my new job’ became ‘Actually Wookie is indifferent/ cold etc so of course I’d get closer to somebody else/ actually I’m having sex with her because my marriage is awful/ actually my marriage is dead…. ‘ Etc etc. The ‘no harm in this I’m not doing anything wrong” lie became the “actually my marriage is shit” lie! None of it true, but he needed permission from his conscience so he rewrote reality and used it to give permission to himself to do wrong guilt free.

We all lie to ourselves when it’s easier than facing the tough stuff. All of us. But it can get worse and it never serves us in the long run, the truth sits waiting for us to finally dare to see it ourselves or for circumstances to shove it brutally in our faces. My favourite quote about this is from, of all people, Elvis Presley : “The truth is like the sun. You can’t always see it, but you know it’s there.”

Find out your reality about your marriage, if you don’t want to leave your husband ask yourself why. If it’s only for practical reasons then leave him and find your happiness. If it’s not, if you want to stay, then why are investing your emotions into someone else? Your husband has to step up and invest in you, too, but hanging on to him whilst doing this isn’t and won’t make you or him happy.
I think perhaps staying in this limbo gives you reasons not to have to do something you are possibly afraid of. It’s painful staying in limbo, but more comfortable than making big decisions or tackling issues that need tackling.
Decide what you want your future to look like and invest in that, whatever it is. But cheating is never the answer or a good choice, it takes choices away from you in a heartbeat once your partner and reality get a look at it. Even if he decided to forgive you, you would never be the same SunsetSkylane that he thinks you are now and you’d never be able to change that.
Get out of limbo, whatever that looks like for you, give yourself a chance of real authentic happiness. This man’s ‘friendship’ is a pit you are about to fall into if you pursue it, not the answer to your future.

Thewookiemustgo · 18/10/2024 15:54

@Purpledaisies4 read my post, it might become clear. He doesn’t want to lose his marriage and as he flip flops between fun with you and guilt about not wanting to
leave his wife, you get the hot/ cold treatment. That’s your explanation , you are his OW and he has no intention of jeopardising his wife and his life for you, no matter what he has told you. If his wife knows or is suspicious you will be left ignored and ghosted and if it all blows up the playground/ school gate mafia will side with her, not you. It’s a shit way to treat you and his wife but it’s an affair and that’s the risk you take when you know you are sleeping with a married man.
I’d ignore and stay away at all costs, there’s a lot of potential hurt here and you will be the villain of the piece on the playground whether you deserve it or not, they will sympathise with his wife and though they will censure her husband , you, the OW, will take the blame for all of it.

Purpledaisies4 · 18/10/2024 16:18

@Thewookiemustgo
Thank you for your reply.
I'm not currently the other woman we are meant to be friends which is how it's been for the last 6 weeks which was fine, he was the one that suggested we remain friends but what's the point if we can't chat/ go for coffee like friends do & he just ignores me.
I know all men say it that their wife is awful/ they don't get on etc but she's actually is not a very nice person, he even came home from holiday early as she was being so awful, they also haven't shared a bed in 6 years so it's not so much about the wife but his child which is fair enough & I completely understand. It's just shit how one day out the blue he's saying he's looking at my pic & then several days later I'm being ignored for seemingly no reason. I know I need to forget about him & focus on my marrage but it's hard when I have to go to school & not know if I'm going to see him or not, guess it's my punishment for being so stupid but even after him ignoring me I still miss him. As it's Friday I won't see him till next week now so I'll just have to stay strong & not send the shitty message I've typed out but going by his previous behaviour he'll just act like nothings happened when I next see him.

BathshebaAndGabriel · 18/10/2024 17:12

@Thewookiemustgo your posts make so much sense. Thanks.

I posted on the original thread months ago when the man I’d been having an emotional affair (physical too but no sex) with ended things. I was completely bereft. We’re both married.

Stupidly we started things up again in May. Yesterday it all ended again. At his insistence.

I know it’s so very wrong, the thought of causing my husband and children pain is awful. And I never wanted to cause him or his family pain.

But I genuinely care about OM and thought he did for me.
Feel stupid, heartbroken and tossed aside.

What a total fuckwit I am!

Hoping I can get some courage from others experience and thoughts.

Thewookiemustgo · 18/10/2024 18:08

@Purpledaisies4 nobody deserves punishment, don’t think about it like that. There’s no judgement here, good people do bad things sometimes because nobody’s perfect. We all make wrong choices. Your true character lies in what you do to put it right afterwards.
It’s only 6 weeks since you slept with him, so I’m pretty sure his wife would still class you as the OW and any further contact with him puts you right back there, even if nothing happens. . ‘Friends’ after an affair is rare and not at all to be recommended, nor is it fair on the betrayed partners. If both your spouses knew what you had done, they would insist on no contact, being friends wouldn’t be an option.
If my husband had insisted on being ‘friends’ with the woman he slept with and was ‘just meeting up for coffee” I would have given him the rest of his life to do that whenever he wanted, as long as he lived somewhere else and didn’t bother me again.
They might not even approve of you meeting up for coffee anyway, whether they think nothing has gone on or not.
To me it’s pretty obvious why you can’t go back to being friends, that bridge got burned and more people than you think will have noticed your interactions. It’s never hard to spot flirty conversations on a school playground, or a mum and dad who always end up chatting to each other, they think they’re acting normally but you can tell. Believe me, I’ve seen it for years. Even the staff can see it through the windows before and after school and tut or snigger about it. You’re better off staying apart.
Here’s possibly why he suggested “friends”: he’s regretting sleeping with you and would rather just leave it all alone,. He’s worried however, that if he just ignores and ghosts you, you might get annoyed and out him, so suggesting friends is step one to stop you feeling used and angry. Step two is that he either tries to ignore you or smile and move on, or finds reasons not to meet up, or shows his disinterest by gradually messaging less and infrequently, or not initiating contact and taking ages to reply to your contact.
He hopes you’ll take the hint that it was fun, he likes you, but he regrets it and doesn’t want any more of it and doesn’t want to blow his life up.
You might not like his wife but he clearly does, no matter what he says, he doesn’t seem in a hurry to divorce and seems quite happy to stay exactly where he is. It’s highly unlikely this man hasn’t shared a bed with his wife in 6 years and has lived like a monk. Have you read the script? Most men go back to their wives after an affair. If it was that bad they’d get out, children or not.
The top of the ‘shit cheating married men say’ chart goes like this:
my wife is crazy/ has mental health issues
my wife is awful/ a bitch
my marriage is dead
we haven’t slept together in X months/ years
we don’t sleep in the same bed
we sleep in the same bed but we haven’t had sex in X months/ years
we live like brother and sister
I’m only staying for the children
I’m only staying because of her poor mental health/ I worry she will kill herself if I leave….
And many, many more hackneyed excuses for needing to look like a trapped, noble victim instead of a cheating man who wants to sleep with you, whilst not having to change one aspect of his life to do so.
You’re far more likely to swoon over a poor unhappy man who sacrifices his happiness for his children and needs you to give his life meaning and save him…… he hasn’t been happy for so long….now you’ve come along he can see just how unhappy he really is…..blah blah. Nothing new here and a tale as old as time.
You’re not being ignored for no reason, he’s trying to distance himself from it which means distancing himself from you. Not nice, but usually how affairs end.
Words are cheap, watch what people actually do. They always do what they really want to in the end. People in affairs say what the other person wants to hear. They believe what they want to believe . They say what they need to say to stave off guilt and think they are still a nice person whilst simultaneously doing something bad.
It’s a shit situation and of course it’s hard when you have to see him each day, but if it isn’t over it should be, your spouses and children will be in agony if the shit hits the fan, be thankful nobody knows and stay well clear. Stay here for support with no contact, there isn’t a happy alternative because there never was.

Thewookiemustgo · 18/10/2024 18:29

@BathshebaAndGabriel so sorry, it’s really shit. Your assessment is probably right though.
As I said above, they say whatever they think you need to hear and you hear what you want to believe. It keeps the excitement alive and the dopamine coming. Typically in affairs of any kind, women invest emotionally and men invest in their egos. Women feed off the emotional contact more, men feed off the attention and the fact that they think they made you feel like that about them.
Affair partners presume that their AP lies to their spouses but not to them. They are proven liars, the fact that they are engaging in an affair proves they are not to be trusted.
Don’t beat yourself up or feel foolish, you trusted him. I don’t beat myself up or feel like a fool for not seeing my husband was having an affair, he commuted 60 miles away and it all happened there on weekdays when he said he was working, I had no idea, he was fine at home, bottom line was he lied and I trusted him. I was trusting, not a fool.
You’ve been round this loop twice now, feel grateful that nobody else got hurt, learn from it and turn towards your marriage. If your husband needs to up his game, have that talk and tell him. You married him, you were happy before, that love is more than likely still there somewhere, you just need to pay attention to it and remember what you used to be like together. We did that and it’s great, we prioritise each other and our marriage and children. Forty years together and that love is still there. Even his affair didn’t kill it because that’s not who he really is or what he really wanted and he was prepared to own it, learn what got him there and turn himself around. He knows it’s his one and only chance at this. Anything else and I’m done. I couldn’t do this again and nor should I.
It’s ok to be sad that something you used to enjoy and add excitement is gone, but it’s like an alcoholic grieving the whisky, it was always bad for you no matter how good it felt and going back for another drink might kill you. Stay strong and I’m sorry you got hurt.

lovelymango · 18/10/2024 23:15

@Purpledaisies4 where is your relationship with your husband in all this. Is it happy? Sorry to say but I think your OM is telling you what you want to hear. They all say they have a shit marriage (weirdly mine just liked to tell me about all the amazing sex he was having with his wife and talk to me about sex with my husband though). But yeah you can’t just go for friendly coffees with him.

lovelymango · 18/10/2024 23:19

And wookie talks a lot of sense. Mine kept saying he was happy to hear from me but I think really he was bored towards the end as it was me who kept going back and I think he was worried if he upset me I’d say something to his wife so he kept answering but it’s soul destroying. When I did say I wanted to be friends he started the sex talk again calling me a slut and saying he’d ‘read the situation wrong’ so he had no respect for me anyway. I genuinely wanted to be his friend.

lovelymango · 18/10/2024 23:20

Talking about this makes me want to talk to him 😫

SunsetSkylane · 18/10/2024 23:28

Oh @lovelymango

Go back and read your previous post. He wanted to tell you about fucking his wife, wanted to talk about you having sex with your husband, and calls you slut despite you saying you hated it.

C'mon mate. You're waaaay better than him. Way better.

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lovelymango · 18/10/2024 23:32

SunsetSkylane · 18/10/2024 23:28

Oh @lovelymango

Go back and read your previous post. He wanted to tell you about fucking his wife, wanted to talk about you having sex with your husband, and calls you slut despite you saying you hated it.

C'mon mate. You're waaaay better than him. Way better.

I know but he was the only one I could just text randomly. He was a dickhead though. I remember telling him I wasn’t comfortable and he called me frigid and once I felt I had to ask him for the details and when he told me I didn’t say much. Eventually I told him I wasn’t that interested and he went off on one and accused me of something can’t remember what. Prick teasing or something. Then he wouldn’t speak to me for weeks. He’s awful but he was a distraction from my anxiety

lovelymango · 18/10/2024 23:34

Be honest. People having affairs don’t have those conversations right because he made me feel it was normal to talk about sex with your spouses but I thought it was weird and a bit disrespectful to all.

SunsetSkylane · 18/10/2024 23:54

Yeah I don't think that's how it normally goes! He sounds like he was getting off on making you feel dirty and uncomfortable and in his grubby power.

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SunsetSkylane · 18/10/2024 23:56

I mean, bloke and me would sometimes talk about our marriages but more in a 'he/she is really pissing me off because x' stereotypical 'my partner doesn't understand me' stuff.

Not 'ooh tell me about a time you fucked your wife' stuff. That would've been...weird.

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Thewookiemustgo · 19/10/2024 00:03

@lovelymango you’re spot on right. Affairs in context feel ‘right’ but deep down they’re really not. Anything that happens or is said in this context can be excused or justified.
As long as the two worlds stay apart ‘normal’ can be anything you want.
Of course discussing sex with your spouses with an affair partner is weird, disloyal and wrong.
But in affair world you’re desperate to not let the AP think it’s anything but awful and therefore justifies doing it.
It is weird and disrespectful.
It’s probably not even true. But there are no rules in affair world, anything goes which keeps the affair partners feeling like it’s justified and keeps both parties invested.

Thewookiemustgo · 19/10/2024 00:07

SunsetSkylane · 18/10/2024 23:56

I mean, bloke and me would sometimes talk about our marriages but more in a 'he/she is really pissing me off because x' stereotypical 'my partner doesn't understand me' stuff.

Not 'ooh tell me about a time you fucked your wife' stuff. That would've been...weird.

That’s the fuel for affairs, keeps everyone in their roles and reassures everyone that they’re right in doing what theyre doing. “ I’ve had such a great time this weekend with my spouse and we had sex” said no affair partner ever.

lovelymango · 19/10/2024 00:51

Why was he doing it then? Was I weird chat porn for him? He used to say how was your weekend any sex? Did he actually like me?

SunsetSkylane · 19/10/2024 05:29

Yeah, tbh it sounds like for him it was like dialling a sex line. I'd be fucking amazed if you were the only one.

But just think! You've escaped him. His poor poor wife hasn't. He sounds pretty gross.

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lovelymango · 19/10/2024 08:06

Gosh I feel like such a fool

SunsetSkylane · 19/10/2024 10:10

lovelymango · 19/10/2024 08:06

Gosh I feel like such a fool

No. You're lovely.

He's...not.

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lovelymango · 19/10/2024 10:45

Thank you @SunsetSkylane i honestly feel like he hypnotised me or something! Not literally but like he took over some rational thinking in my brain. I knew he wasn’t right

SunsetSkylane · 19/10/2024 11:42

That's how I feel, although there wasn't that kind of chat or anything. Very very hard to disengage your brain/heart from either way.

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lovelymango · 19/10/2024 12:18

He actually had a massive rep at my work for being sleazy, womaniser but he said it was a load of bollocks and actually some of the women were worse than him

imanidiotsandwich · 19/10/2024 12:34

Hi, I've been reading your thread and I think I might need to join in.
Wookies post is really helpful right now.

I think I'm having a midlife crises, hormonal surge before my ovaries finally die?

Married for 20+years. He had an affair with my 'best friend' which I found out about years after and we've worked hard on keeping our marriage together- he worked hard. In my head I promised myself I would stay until the kids were adults and see how I felt then. We chug along, sometimes we are great, other times I dislike my DH.

I've always been involved in a hobby. Last year this guy messaged me out of the blue after we'd been part of several group events over a couple of weekends. I didn't really register he was flirting until he kept mentioning his bed. I had to ask a mate if he was flirting! I thought I'd shut it down.
We met for lunch once and it was very platonic.
We'd see each other at events over the year but never mentioned the texts.
Then last month we did a weekend event where we had to work closely together and the whole group got really flirty, lots of innuendo's flying around.
Since then we have text a lot, I over shared about the affair, we attempted to draw a line but completely crossed over into sexting.
Really hot stuff and then last week we met and it got physical.
Since then he's barely messaged and I feel like a complete idiot.

I never planned on a revenge affair but I have no guilt.

He's obviously got what he wanted and I need to get my shit together. Stop compulsively checking for messages, stop thinking about him all the time.

Perversely things have been great with DH, we've having more sex, talking more, he's being more open to my needs.

I just have the nagging addiction to needing to hear from this other guy!
Determined not to message him today.
One day at a time right?

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