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What pushed your partner to propose?

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deliciouslytwo · 27/09/2024 12:05

This is probably your typical post of 'woman who does too much and man who doesn't seem to appreciate it all that much'.

I'm 27F, my partner is 35M (turning 36 in a few weeks). There's about 9 years between us. We've been together 18 months. We've lived together 'officially' since July, but have practically lived together since the beginning of the relationship, so there haven't been any real changes since July.

He has a young son from a previous relationship that ended when she cheated. Before this, he was married and divorced, a relationship that again was ended due to his ex-wife cheating. He has a lot of trauma from this but he'd been single from long-term/serious relationships for about 3 years when I met him, and had also been in therapy.

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

I've embraced his son, who is here 3/4 weekends a month (due to distance), helped with custody fights/documents (problems of neglect with mum) - both emotionally and financially, transformed my office into an (amazing, Pinterest inspired) bedroom for him, and do 95% of the cooking/cleaning/laundry/bins etc.

The latter point is mostly because we just have different 'standards' when it comes to doing things - I like to live in a fairly pristine environment, while my partner can deal with mess accumulating for a week or so and so doesn't feel the same urgency. E.g. I think dusting the skirting boards is important because they turn 'black' pretty quickly, he probably would never even consider dusting them and definitely doesn't notice when I do it.

We essentially function as a 'married couple' day to day, and I think I'm starting to grow a little resentful. A lot of my friends are now married/engaged/having children, and I feel a bit stuck, sort of like I'm playing wife/happy families and looking after a child that he's had with someone else. Meanwhile, I really want marriage and my own kids.

We had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago. He went out drinking with some friends and came back tipsy. I asked him about his timeline (innocently, we were watching MAFS!) and he said he hadn't really thought about it. I said that was disappointing (I was gutted internally), as he'd previously mentioned the 2 year point being a good time. He then started rambling a bit about his fears with marriage - that he had a bad experience before (fine, I get it), and that he has lots of worries - me cheating, for example, like his wife did. This was so wildly off-base and unfair (there was a heavy implication that I would somehow be capable of that), I've never given any hint or reason for this, and led to a pretty nasty argument over the following days.

He basically said that he wishes we were married already, that he hates the pressure, that he wants to marry me and always has (true - he said a few months in I wouldn't be waiting long), that I'm his person, etc. I just don't get why all the waiting around for something he says is 'inevitable'.

I can feel my fertility clock ticking. I've had past issues with fibroids (had a very large one removed via c-section in 2022), which means my fertility is a bit of a question mark. I'm not sure how much scar tissue is there (and so whether I can even carry a pregnancy), or if the fibroids will come back and I'll need more surgery before waiting 18 months for my uterus to heal - only to lead to more scarring. It's a bit messy.

He's said he's happy to stop preventing a pregnancy whenever I'm comfortable. I said ok, but if we do that before marriage, the baby is having my surname until we marry. He said no, and that we'll wait and do things properly then.

He gave a timeline when we resolved the argument of next June. This just makes me feel a bit sad though, like it's edging towards a 'shut up' ring. I'll be 28 in June, 29 when we marry, and then who knows how long it will take to get pregnant and give birth. Probably at least another 2 years - which all pushes me over 30. I always wanted to have kids before turning 30, so it's sad to have to manage my expectations. In the meantime, I just have to keep playing wife and looking after his child with someone else - which is really beginning to hurt my heart.

I'd love some advice, and maybe if anyone can relate, to hear your own stories.

Thank you!

OP posts:
LoveInAWildTime · 28/09/2024 08:30

It's such a short relationship I think you need to wait a few more years. You might his lazyness more of a problem. Your desire to get married and have kids sounds like it's clouding your judgement. Hormones do this to women unfortunately.

It's immature of both of you to consider to 'not stop preventing a pregnancy' so early in your relationship and before you've sorted out these issues.

I think you are being taken advantage of. I don't understand why you are doing so much for him when he can't even be bothered to clean in a way he knows you would like. The guy is 36. He knows what he is doing.

Tae1 · 28/09/2024 08:49

OP, you have really made so little of yourself and that sends such a bad message.
You are his house fairy, skivvy au pair, you do realise that?
Such a huge imbalance.
What is going on with you that you feel the need to do this?
It is so deeply unhealthy.
I think he should be looking for his own home and you should be looking to find a relationship where you aren't giving 100% to someone.
He needed housing.
He got it and a skivvy au pair.
Too much.
Get some counselling asap to figure this out.
I think if you change the dynamic he will probably propose because he will lose too much and by marrying you he will have 50% of your property.
But does he love you dearly for you and who you are?
Probably not because you have simply given too much.
You can't redo things.
Better to start again after you figure out why you value yourself so little and feel you have to give too much.
Such an imbalance never produces a happy healthy relationship long term.

CurlewKate · 28/09/2024 09:08

@deliciouslytwo I have a DD your age. If she was in your situation and asked my advice, I would tell her unequivocally to leave him. And I would tell her to make sure her contraception was rock solid. There are so many red flags here it looks like the battle of Agincourt.

Fifiesta · 28/09/2024 14:45

@deliciouslytwo

Totally agree, plus I’m stealing your final sentence!

unmemorableusername · 28/09/2024 21:04

The 2 incidents of 'cheating' sound like both sides were at fault.

He's playing the victim card.

Ignore your mum.

BoxOfCats · 28/09/2024 21:52

Do not marry this man, he does not value or a pre you. That is crystal clear from his actions and how he treats you.

MissSookieStackhouse · 29/09/2024 00:53

He has absolutely no incentive to marry you at all, as you are providing everything he could possibly want from a wife without the commitment. I think I’d be asking him to move out and find his own place…Not necessarily splitting up, but saying if he doesn’t want to commit to you yet, he should stop taking advantage of everything you provide. ie. From the roof over his head to cooking and cleaning with nanny services thrown in. He really must think he’s got it made and you are being a bit of a mug to let him get away with this.

Coldfinch · 29/09/2024 01:39

i think you can just leave him to it. Make plans and don’t be his „wife” and more. Why would he buy the milk if he can get the cow for free. Stop making yourself available to a man who won’t value you girl!!Kine dumped me and then cried on my shoulder wishing he could be my husband. I said prove it or we are done. He proposed and we got married within less than a year. They will commit when they value you. Put your expectations down and if he won’t commit then don’t look back - go for one that values you.

Terribleowner · 29/09/2024 01:58

I can also pull back on the chores, but then that means I'm living in an environment I'm not fully comfortable in
why? Why can’t he do more? I know you said he doesn’t care but you do and he loves you and presumably wants you to be happy and comfortable?

greenwoodentablelegs · 29/09/2024 18:29

Really just does sound like you are doing a lot and giving up a lot of your youth for this man. Yes of course he loves you, you are great for him.

what do you want ? If you want to be married and have more kids then you need to give him a timeline for it to happens

Elektra1 · 29/09/2024 19:02

Good God, do not coerce/persuade/ultimatum anyone into marrying you. It will end badly. You are still young. If he values you and your values and needs, he will marry you. If he needs persuasion, he's not the one.

In the meantime, stop making his life so easy by doing everything. As my godfather once said to me "if a man already has the milk, he doesn't need to buy the cow." I thought that was terrible misogyny at the time but older and wiser, I think he was onto something.

bigvig · 29/09/2024 19:05

I don't think he's the man for you. I also don't think you should be with a man who has children. It sounds like you've gone all in auditioning to be Mum and have now started to resent his child. I could be wrong but think it through. It's normal I'm not blaming you but if that's how you're feeling it's not fair on the child.

Pyjamatimenow · 02/10/2024 07:17

Men do not need any amount of years to know if they want to marry a woman. Example-

What pushed your partner to propose?
dontlistentome · 02/10/2024 10:10

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

This is SO, SO wrong. I know you just picked it out as a quote, but it's SO bad I've got to jump on it.

Changing from girlfriend to marriage doesn't suddenly change the relationship. It adds some legal protection and a display of long-term commitment.

Look through other threads on here. Time and time again optimistic women have expected marriage or a child to change their partner from lazy into suddenly stepping up. It doesn't happen like that.

Quick summary:
Your life before marriage and adding a baby is easy. You are seeing the best of your partner. When you make a long-term commitment and add a baby, life will get harder. You will both get more stressed. He will not suddenly step-up and take a larger share of the workload.

Him putting a ring on your finger will not cause him to see the dust on your skirting boards.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 02/10/2024 10:17

Well done for protecting yourself and your home financially

deliciouslytwo · 02/10/2024 10:26

dontlistentome · 02/10/2024 10:10

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

This is SO, SO wrong. I know you just picked it out as a quote, but it's SO bad I've got to jump on it.

Changing from girlfriend to marriage doesn't suddenly change the relationship. It adds some legal protection and a display of long-term commitment.

Look through other threads on here. Time and time again optimistic women have expected marriage or a child to change their partner from lazy into suddenly stepping up. It doesn't happen like that.

Quick summary:
Your life before marriage and adding a baby is easy. You are seeing the best of your partner. When you make a long-term commitment and add a baby, life will get harder. You will both get more stressed. He will not suddenly step-up and take a larger share of the workload.

Him putting a ring on your finger will not cause him to see the dust on your skirting boards.

I agree with you. I meant it less in the sense of me becoming a wife would mean I happily do all the chores (yuck), and more that he currently expects me to be an active part of his child's life (step mum if you like), without the actual legal title of that. So by wife duties, we're functioning like a married couple in a traditional nuclear family sense. I know that's still problematic, but I hope it clarifies it slightly.

OP posts:
deliciouslytwo · 02/10/2024 10:27

Pyjamatimenow · 02/10/2024 07:17

Men do not need any amount of years to know if they want to marry a woman. Example-

Yeah, it's stuff like this that gets me down! If you know you know, etc.

OP posts:
Pyjamatimenow · 02/10/2024 10:32

deliciouslytwo · 02/10/2024 10:27

Yeah, it's stuff like this that gets me down! If you know you know, etc.

2 kids and 12 years together. You’d feel an absolute fool. It’s a bit like when you see your dream home. You don’t leave it on the market, you put your offer in and nail it down. It’s not rocket science.

deliciouslytwo · 02/10/2024 10:43

Pyjamatimenow · 02/10/2024 10:32

2 kids and 12 years together. You’d feel an absolute fool. It’s a bit like when you see your dream home. You don’t leave it on the market, you put your offer in and nail it down. It’s not rocket science.

Yeah, I won't let this be my future. I have a timeline in my head.

I agree, that's how I see it too. He tells me all the time he wants to spend forever with me etc, and I'm just thinking to myself, you know there's a way to make that happen, right?

I just think he's comfortable (as he's put it) and that he doesn't see the need to get married as marriage doesn't change anything between us tangibly (true, ok.) I also think he has a ton of trauma from his previous divorce. Things have also been rocky between us at points, and I imagine he has worries that things between us will collapse and he'll have a second divorce / a second child that he doesn't have (full) custody of. I think I get it, but it also stings - particularly when he's done all of these milestones before, it sort of feels like I'm being deprived of them.

OP posts:
Pyjamatimenow · 02/10/2024 11:10

ok but these are excuses. Honestly my husband was divorced when we met with kids. I also had a child from my previous marriage. He was burnt as well. His ex wife had an affair with an old uni friend of his that she connected with on fb. We met in October and he proposed with a ring on Valentine’s Day. We’ve been married 8 years and have a child together. If he wanted to he would but for you at 27 he is not a catch unless he’s loaded. Even then… You would be better off meeting someone childless. Even if he was head over heels for you it will be hard because men with kids are split, split finances, split time. This grates because it affects you and and potential children you have. At the moment you won’t notice it as much because you don’t have kids with him but if and when you do you’ll feel it. My dh spends half his life in the car ferrying his other children round and doing their extra curriculum stuff. That leaves me with ours together doing way more than I would if he’d come to the relationship childless. I would not want it for my daughter

WhereIsMyLight · 02/10/2024 11:56

You are going to keep making excuses for him and accepting the bare minimum he’s willing to chuck your way, that’s clear but you can’t see any of that at the moment. So one final thing I will say: you’re 18 months in and you’ve had rocky patches already. It’s not meant to be this hard, this early into a relationship.

I would cut your losses at this point. However, as you can’t see the flaws at the minute: when you get married, keep your name. When you have a baby, double barrel or give them your surname. Don’t have a baby until you’re married. Do not give up your asset (house) without him adding an amount equal to your equity or legally noting your contribution before marriage so that you get your house value back on separation. You want the deeds of the house to be held in trust for your children, not your step child. Do not stop working and work to increase your earning potential. Make sure you share the costs of your joint future children (childcare, nappies, food, clothes) but costs relating to your step son remain his and get yourself set up on child benefit straight away, even if he earns over the threshold take the National Insurance contributions and if you ever need it it’s then just a quick call to HMRC to start receiving the payment.

Fmlgirl · 02/10/2024 12:44

OP I think you’ve had some great advice on this thread. We all have life and relationship experience. Continue with this guy at your own peril. I think you’re selling yourself short and should find someone without this much baggage. I don’t know what you mean by the fact that you’ve had rocky patches already. It really shouldn’t be this hard this early on.

deliciouslytwo · 02/10/2024 14:07

WhereIsMyLight · 02/10/2024 11:56

You are going to keep making excuses for him and accepting the bare minimum he’s willing to chuck your way, that’s clear but you can’t see any of that at the moment. So one final thing I will say: you’re 18 months in and you’ve had rocky patches already. It’s not meant to be this hard, this early into a relationship.

I would cut your losses at this point. However, as you can’t see the flaws at the minute: when you get married, keep your name. When you have a baby, double barrel or give them your surname. Don’t have a baby until you’re married. Do not give up your asset (house) without him adding an amount equal to your equity or legally noting your contribution before marriage so that you get your house value back on separation. You want the deeds of the house to be held in trust for your children, not your step child. Do not stop working and work to increase your earning potential. Make sure you share the costs of your joint future children (childcare, nappies, food, clothes) but costs relating to your step son remain his and get yourself set up on child benefit straight away, even if he earns over the threshold take the National Insurance contributions and if you ever need it it’s then just a quick call to HMRC to start receiving the payment.

Thank you for all this wonderful advice. Lots to think about and implement. I've screenshot it to keep it handy. Thanks again ❤️

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Tae1 · 02/10/2024 16:45

Great advice on this thread.
So sad to read on MN how little value some women place on themselves and how easily they throw themselves at men who value them only in terms of how much skivvy au pairing they do.

Men who really want a woman do not require the woman to bend herself out of shape "proving" herself worthy of him.

Men chase woman down and put a ring on it.

They are NEVER confused.
They know when a woman is THE one.

You are selling yourself so short but you will eventually get it, sadly too often it is too late to detach fully.

Deadringer · 02/10/2024 16:48

My dh didn't need any pushing, but the fact that we didn't live together was probably an incentive to get married.

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