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What pushed your partner to propose?

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deliciouslytwo · 27/09/2024 12:05

This is probably your typical post of 'woman who does too much and man who doesn't seem to appreciate it all that much'.

I'm 27F, my partner is 35M (turning 36 in a few weeks). There's about 9 years between us. We've been together 18 months. We've lived together 'officially' since July, but have practically lived together since the beginning of the relationship, so there haven't been any real changes since July.

He has a young son from a previous relationship that ended when she cheated. Before this, he was married and divorced, a relationship that again was ended due to his ex-wife cheating. He has a lot of trauma from this but he'd been single from long-term/serious relationships for about 3 years when I met him, and had also been in therapy.

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

I've embraced his son, who is here 3/4 weekends a month (due to distance), helped with custody fights/documents (problems of neglect with mum) - both emotionally and financially, transformed my office into an (amazing, Pinterest inspired) bedroom for him, and do 95% of the cooking/cleaning/laundry/bins etc.

The latter point is mostly because we just have different 'standards' when it comes to doing things - I like to live in a fairly pristine environment, while my partner can deal with mess accumulating for a week or so and so doesn't feel the same urgency. E.g. I think dusting the skirting boards is important because they turn 'black' pretty quickly, he probably would never even consider dusting them and definitely doesn't notice when I do it.

We essentially function as a 'married couple' day to day, and I think I'm starting to grow a little resentful. A lot of my friends are now married/engaged/having children, and I feel a bit stuck, sort of like I'm playing wife/happy families and looking after a child that he's had with someone else. Meanwhile, I really want marriage and my own kids.

We had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago. He went out drinking with some friends and came back tipsy. I asked him about his timeline (innocently, we were watching MAFS!) and he said he hadn't really thought about it. I said that was disappointing (I was gutted internally), as he'd previously mentioned the 2 year point being a good time. He then started rambling a bit about his fears with marriage - that he had a bad experience before (fine, I get it), and that he has lots of worries - me cheating, for example, like his wife did. This was so wildly off-base and unfair (there was a heavy implication that I would somehow be capable of that), I've never given any hint or reason for this, and led to a pretty nasty argument over the following days.

He basically said that he wishes we were married already, that he hates the pressure, that he wants to marry me and always has (true - he said a few months in I wouldn't be waiting long), that I'm his person, etc. I just don't get why all the waiting around for something he says is 'inevitable'.

I can feel my fertility clock ticking. I've had past issues with fibroids (had a very large one removed via c-section in 2022), which means my fertility is a bit of a question mark. I'm not sure how much scar tissue is there (and so whether I can even carry a pregnancy), or if the fibroids will come back and I'll need more surgery before waiting 18 months for my uterus to heal - only to lead to more scarring. It's a bit messy.

He's said he's happy to stop preventing a pregnancy whenever I'm comfortable. I said ok, but if we do that before marriage, the baby is having my surname until we marry. He said no, and that we'll wait and do things properly then.

He gave a timeline when we resolved the argument of next June. This just makes me feel a bit sad though, like it's edging towards a 'shut up' ring. I'll be 28 in June, 29 when we marry, and then who knows how long it will take to get pregnant and give birth. Probably at least another 2 years - which all pushes me over 30. I always wanted to have kids before turning 30, so it's sad to have to manage my expectations. In the meantime, I just have to keep playing wife and looking after his child with someone else - which is really beginning to hurt my heart.

I'd love some advice, and maybe if anyone can relate, to hear your own stories.

Thank you!

OP posts:
buttonsB4 · 27/09/2024 18:36

Regarding the chores, you're holding all the cards here, so I think you can just be factual.

"DP, I'm unhappy with the little amount of housework you're doing, especially as you should be doing more than me to cover the cleaning for both yourself and your son.
You're making me feel more like a maid than an equal partner, and right now I would have more leisure time and a cleaner house if you didn't live here.
I'm not willing to argue about this, and I'm not going to give you a list of jobs or nag you to do stuff, but if you don't start willingly doing more off your own bat then we are going to need to live in separate properties.
If you don't enhance my life and make it easier, as I do with you, then you are not a partner in any sense of the word."

Daleksatemyshed · 27/09/2024 18:57

You're making a big mistake taking on the housework and child minding Op. Men are happy not to marry when they're already getting all the things marriage would give them - why bother with the expenses and formalities when someone's willing to do the wife work with nothing in return? You want to be married before you have a DC but he's already a father so he's happy as he is.

A lot of women think if they prove what a great wife they'll be a man will snap them up, you'd be far better off taking a big step back and letting him do the parenting and his share of the housework, don't let him take you for granted. Go out more with your friends, don't always be available, I'm afraid a lot of men only get serious when they think they'll lose you

ItTook9Years · 27/09/2024 19:03

Have you considered why you’re even wanting a proposal? It’s a very sexist thing. would give me the major ick.

you’re adults. If you’re happy with the lifestyle you have together tell him you want to get married. If you aren’t then bin him off. Stop letting him dictate everything and stop being a stepford bloody doormat.

Thevelvelletes · 27/09/2024 19:27

I wanted to give Dw , stability, commitment,and the obvious one because I love her.
You really shouldn't have to cajole a proposal out of him ,it should be in him naturally to ask.

ItTook9Years · 27/09/2024 19:34

Thevelvelletes · 27/09/2024 19:27

I wanted to give Dw , stability, commitment,and the obvious one because I love her.
You really shouldn't have to cajole a proposal out of him ,it should be in him naturally to ask.

She’s an adult. She’s perfectly capable of starting g a conversation or <shock, horror> asking him herself.

We don’t need “rescuing” FFS!

DoYouReally · 27/09/2024 19:34

I think you are being a fool.

You are clearly a catch.
He isn't anywhere near a match for you.
You are doing all the heavy lifting in the relationship whereas he seems to just want a maid and a babysitter.

Also, your mum has been divorced twice. Probably not the best person to take relationship advice from.

Thevelvelletes · 27/09/2024 19:38

ItTook9Years · 27/09/2024 19:34

She’s an adult. She’s perfectly capable of starting g a conversation or <shock, horror> asking him herself.

We don’t need “rescuing” FFS!

Edited

I never said anyone needed rescuing.

Pandasandtigers · 27/09/2024 19:57

His using you.

Naunet · 27/09/2024 19:58

He's great with his son! A really good dad, is spending 1000s£ on court-related fees currently to try and have him full time (not happening) due to neglect from his mum (she was arrested previously for child neglect in 2022). Is great at playing with him and entertaining him. Doesn't expect me to do anything much in this regard

Be honest with yourself op, if he was female, would you say he was a really good mum? Would the child even be alive still based on his current parenting alone? You said he plays with him, but what actual parenting does he do?

I don’t want to be unkind but I think you’d be a fool to stay with him, especially considering your circumstances, and you’ll be kicking yourself over it in the future.

WhereIsMyLight · 27/09/2024 21:19

(2) He's great with his son! A really good dad, is spending 1000s£ on court-related fees currently to try and have him full time (not happening) due to neglect from his mum (she was arrested previously for child neglect in 2022). Is great at playing with him and entertaining him. Doesn't expect me to do anything much in this regard.

That’s the bare minimum to be a good parent, it doesn’t make him great.

(4) Yes, I love him. He's a great emotional support for me. He's very kind and gentle and has the approval of my family. My mum is very critical (has been divorced twice and in highly abusive relationships) and is hard to please, but even she's said a few times "You'll never find someone who loves you as much as he does". She absolutely adores him too.

I really don’t think your mum is a reliable source of what a good relationship looks like. If she’s spent her life in abusive relationships, then the bare minimum does look pretty good.

(5) I think there's a balance to be struck. I've overdone it admittedly, I think he's also had a very, very tough time in life. He has a lot of trauma from being cheated on and so in a way, I think it's very understandable that he's hesitant about that kind of commitment again. At the same time, I think there's better ways to phrase it than "I think you're going to cheat on me like your ex-wife did" - a comment he has since apologised for. He's said it was intended as a reflection on him and his issues rather than on me. Questionable but ok.

Except he’s not hesitant about commitment is he? You’ve been together for 18 months, you’re acting as step-mum for his kid and he’s moved in with you. What he isn’t prepared to do is commit in a way that makes you feel secure. He might propose when he says but you’ve said you feel it’s just a ‘shut up’ ring. Is he paying for counselling around the trust issues his exes have created? Yes, it’s understandable to carry that with you but it’s not understandable to accuse your partner of cheating or that they will cheat in the future. If he’s not working on his issues around trust then he’s not going to feel over his trauma enough to marry you.

(6) He lived in a 1-bed flat with his son up until his son was 3 (and then we moved in together). They co-slept. His apartment was filled with every paw-patrol, dinosaur toy you could imagine.

Again, this is just the bare minimum of being a parent.

I've started making plans and going out on the weekend instead - is this the right thing to be doing?

Yes. If he isn’t prepared to make you a focus of his life, don’t make him a focus of yours. Go out, have fun. My guess is he’ll probably get arsey and bring up previously being cheated on as an excuse. So we’re back to is he getting help for his trust issues. My guess is that’ll just be the excuse and actually he’ll just miss someone having to parent for him.

I can also pull back on the chores, but then that means I'm living in an environment I'm not fully comfortable in. Unsure what to do here.

It’s not you pulling back and him not doing anything. He needs to step up. When we live with someone we love we have to make adjustments to how we live to make that person happy. You say he loves you, he makes you feel secure, makes you feel content, is there for you emotionally - so why would he deliberately put you in an uncomfortable position in your own home? If those things are true, he wouldn’t. He would realise he needs to step up and do more for your comfort and emotional well-being. If he can’t step up for this, he’s definitely not going to be an equal parent when he eventually proposes and you have kids.

Browneyeshadow · 27/09/2024 23:18

He struggles to play on the floor, gosh only in his 30s.

This all sounds rather rushed and a lot of pressure.

Browneyeshadow · 27/09/2024 23:20

Also it’s not supposed to be complicated, when it’s the right person it flows op, don’t be too regimented with your decisions on age, your young enough to meet someone more suited to you you know.

Fmlgirl · 27/09/2024 23:42

I think I was the same at your age. Panicking about my fertility and getting into bad relationships because of it. In the end, I had the baby at 39 despite PCOS and Endo with a man that truly wanted to marry me. I’m not saying it’s easy for everyone but I truly wish I hadn’t spent so many years of my life worrying about the future I may or may not have and just enjoy my life in the here and now. You are so so young, why did you saddle yourself with this set-up?
You sound successful and ambitious and I bet he can’t believe his luck. Why do you even want to marry him? What does he have to offer apart from being ‘kind’.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 28/09/2024 00:01

Oh for f*s sake, run for the hills! Why do you have such low expectations?!

Ruthietuthie · 28/09/2024 00:07

To answer your question directly, we had been together for five years. I finally said (too late really) that I had waited long enough. And he suddenly decided that maybe he didn't want marriage and a child after all.
So, I dumped him, moved to Wyoming, and began dating a cowboy who owned a bison ranch. And he spent the whole year trying to win me back.
Not that I would recommend this...

SnowBeagle · 28/09/2024 01:15

Ditto with the other posters who say nothing pushing him to propose.

We're a bit weird in that i/we don't want children and I don't want to marry. But he proposed regardless (probably 7-9 years ago now, we've been together 12) and he regularly says "we should get married" (he knows i don't want to marry, as I say it to him whenever the scenario comes up).

Essentially, if he wants to propose, he will, and won't need pushing.

I have another story about an ex I pushed to propose on my timeline: he wasn't into the relationship (I later found out he was cheating with many women), and unsurprisingly it ended horribly.

Pinkissmart · 28/09/2024 01:40

He's said he's happy to stop preventing a pregnancy whenever I'm comfortable. I said ok, but if we do that before marriage, the baby is having my surname until we marry. He said no, and that we'll wait and do things properly then

Gosh, he’s set you up nicely. There isn’t one bit of compromise there. He’s not keen to get married or have kids and has found ways of avoiding both.

So let me get this straight- there are so many reasons why he doesn’t keep the house to the standard you like ( which is massively disrespectful), but he’s committed enough to move in with you?

The dots don’t line up. I think you know this otherwise you wouldn’t be resentful

mylkshake · 28/09/2024 02:05

something feels off op

hkw you write is very busy, hyper rationalising and predicated on the transactional

as if you’re gauging how things are done by other people’s reactions, including ours

or how women are expected to do things in society etc

mums opinion, etc

and trying to rationalise how you can bring about certain actions in him, or engaging his loyalty - eg the replies have been an instant permission to not have to spend all weekend with his kid - and you seem to spend a degree of effor psychoanalysing him that I guarantee he doesn’t about you

rather than the focus being on how you feel

this man feels like a massive compromise - I feel you think you don’t deserve any better combined with worrying about your fertility

and deep down you know all this. Dare I say I think you would benefit from either being single for a while or slowing this right down to dating stages again - while you work on your self worth and your own instincts and feelings about things

mylkshake · 28/09/2024 02:07

was there any reflection or therapy beteeen the abusive relationships and this one.

glittereyelash · 28/09/2024 03:18

I suppose everyone is different in what they think is an acceptable timeline. 18 months really isn't a long time but I understand you wanting the commitment of marriage before having a child. Give him a timescale and let him know how long you are prepared to wait and stick to it. I was 8 years with my partner before getting engaged it was a further 5 years before we actually got married but this suited us.

Thepossibility · 28/09/2024 04:23

I hinted that if he were to propose I would say yes. Pretty soon after that.

LoquaciousPineapple · 28/09/2024 05:06

If he wants to propose, he will.

Nothing pushed my DH, other than a desire to be married. I'd made it clear from the start that I certainly wasn't willing to have kids before marriage and wouldn't buy a house before engagement so he was aware of that. But ultimately I never had to do anything to make him propose

Ponderingwindow · 28/09/2024 05:15

there was no push to propose. He had a ring burning a hole in his pocket ridiculously early and he was desperate to marry me.

my XH, he took some time and a bit of cajoling.

the marriages that work, it’s no effort. You just know and you get married.

whatever you do, don’t agree to have a baby without marriage. That is the long con. You can find thousands of women posting on here about men who promised marriage after a baby.

Mammma91 · 28/09/2024 06:00

We were together 6.5 years and I was pregnant with our second DC when my DP proposed. No pressure, we had spoken about it but no timeline, I just knew we would get married eventually. Got the shock of my life when he got down on one knee and proposed, I wasn’t expecting it at all. Both our kids have his surname. (and soon I will too!) I think you need to scale way back in terms of what you’re doing for him and his DC, it’s still early on, enjoy being together.

CurlewKate · 28/09/2024 07:32

I have a DD your age. If she was in your situation and asked my advice, I would tell her unequivocally to leave him. And I would tell her to make sure her contraception was rock solid. There are so many red flags here it looks like the battle of Agincourt.

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