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What pushed your partner to propose?

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deliciouslytwo · 27/09/2024 12:05

This is probably your typical post of 'woman who does too much and man who doesn't seem to appreciate it all that much'.

I'm 27F, my partner is 35M (turning 36 in a few weeks). There's about 9 years between us. We've been together 18 months. We've lived together 'officially' since July, but have practically lived together since the beginning of the relationship, so there haven't been any real changes since July.

He has a young son from a previous relationship that ended when she cheated. Before this, he was married and divorced, a relationship that again was ended due to his ex-wife cheating. He has a lot of trauma from this but he'd been single from long-term/serious relationships for about 3 years when I met him, and had also been in therapy.

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

I've embraced his son, who is here 3/4 weekends a month (due to distance), helped with custody fights/documents (problems of neglect with mum) - both emotionally and financially, transformed my office into an (amazing, Pinterest inspired) bedroom for him, and do 95% of the cooking/cleaning/laundry/bins etc.

The latter point is mostly because we just have different 'standards' when it comes to doing things - I like to live in a fairly pristine environment, while my partner can deal with mess accumulating for a week or so and so doesn't feel the same urgency. E.g. I think dusting the skirting boards is important because they turn 'black' pretty quickly, he probably would never even consider dusting them and definitely doesn't notice when I do it.

We essentially function as a 'married couple' day to day, and I think I'm starting to grow a little resentful. A lot of my friends are now married/engaged/having children, and I feel a bit stuck, sort of like I'm playing wife/happy families and looking after a child that he's had with someone else. Meanwhile, I really want marriage and my own kids.

We had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago. He went out drinking with some friends and came back tipsy. I asked him about his timeline (innocently, we were watching MAFS!) and he said he hadn't really thought about it. I said that was disappointing (I was gutted internally), as he'd previously mentioned the 2 year point being a good time. He then started rambling a bit about his fears with marriage - that he had a bad experience before (fine, I get it), and that he has lots of worries - me cheating, for example, like his wife did. This was so wildly off-base and unfair (there was a heavy implication that I would somehow be capable of that), I've never given any hint or reason for this, and led to a pretty nasty argument over the following days.

He basically said that he wishes we were married already, that he hates the pressure, that he wants to marry me and always has (true - he said a few months in I wouldn't be waiting long), that I'm his person, etc. I just don't get why all the waiting around for something he says is 'inevitable'.

I can feel my fertility clock ticking. I've had past issues with fibroids (had a very large one removed via c-section in 2022), which means my fertility is a bit of a question mark. I'm not sure how much scar tissue is there (and so whether I can even carry a pregnancy), or if the fibroids will come back and I'll need more surgery before waiting 18 months for my uterus to heal - only to lead to more scarring. It's a bit messy.

He's said he's happy to stop preventing a pregnancy whenever I'm comfortable. I said ok, but if we do that before marriage, the baby is having my surname until we marry. He said no, and that we'll wait and do things properly then.

He gave a timeline when we resolved the argument of next June. This just makes me feel a bit sad though, like it's edging towards a 'shut up' ring. I'll be 28 in June, 29 when we marry, and then who knows how long it will take to get pregnant and give birth. Probably at least another 2 years - which all pushes me over 30. I always wanted to have kids before turning 30, so it's sad to have to manage my expectations. In the meantime, I just have to keep playing wife and looking after his child with someone else - which is really beginning to hurt my heart.

I'd love some advice, and maybe if anyone can relate, to hear your own stories.

Thank you!

OP posts:
Starlight1979 · 27/09/2024 15:25

I've just read this comment you've made @deliciouslytwo

He's made comments about how he already struggles to play on the floor with his son...

And you said he's 35?!?! Has he got health issues?! That is not normal....

AgentJohnson · 27/09/2024 15:34

Essentially: I do a lot, I feel like I'm doing wife duties on a girlfriend salary.

I’d say you’re being a mug and to stop acting like one. I’m guessing your Stepford wife shtick/ was to fast track yourself to married status. However, your tunnel vision has stopped you from acknowledging that this man doesn’t want to marry and even if he did, him and his ways wouldn't lead to the married bliss you think it would.

My advice would to take a massive step back because you are in danger of sleepwalking into a miserable future with Mr Right now.

Toastcrumbsinsofa · 27/09/2024 15:36

SauviGone · 27/09/2024 14:44

Before he met you he didn't even have a bedroom for his child. Pathetic.

Then how wonderful, he meets a young financially solvent woman, who has just bought a 2 bedroomed apartment near the sea, and BOOM ...

we practically lived together since the beginning of the relationship

I'll bet you did, I bet he couldn't move in fast enough!

This!

autienotnaughty · 27/09/2024 15:38

I met my dh at 28 and I was divorced with 2 kids. He didn't have children. Neither of us wanted to rush. Waited 6 months before he met the kids, he moved in after 3 years. After we had been together about 5 years I felt ready for marriage and potentially children but he still wasn't. We ended up getting married when I was 36 and I had our son at 37. I had a cut off of 39 in my head.

ButterAsADip · 27/09/2024 15:41

My husband didn’t have to be ‘pushed’ to propose. Anyone who had to be pushed wouldn’t end up becoming my husband. It shouldn’t be effort, it should be organic.

He basically said that he wishes we were married already, that he hates the pressure, that he wants to marry me and always has (true - he said a few months in I wouldn't be waiting long), that I'm his person, etc.

…. Well do it then. Go and get married.

greenwoodentablelegs · 27/09/2024 15:52

OP

He SAYs a lot.

But what do his actions show you? Does he prioritise you and try to make you happy, do things for you that you know he doesn't like? How is he on presents, does he remember your birthday? Does he book nice places to eat? Does he tidy up after himself and HIS KID?

there is the answer.

AllThePotatoesAreSingingJingleBells · 27/09/2024 15:54

He didn’t need pushing. He asked me and I wasn’t expecting it.

If I had to force him I wouldn’t want him.

GladAllOver · 27/09/2024 16:02

DP and I decided after only a month from meeting that we would always be together, and that we'd probably get married when it felt right.

In the event it felt right after just a year, we went down to the registry office and signed up. No need for any proposal because we were already agreed, and no regrets since.

Smartiepants79 · 27/09/2024 16:05

Nothing ‘pushed’ him to propose. He loved me and knew he wanted us to build a life together. He did it because he wanted to.
We in a good place financially, emotionally and maturity wise. It was the next right thing for us.

Elsewhere123 · 27/09/2024 16:06

Presumably he knows of your fibroid problem, he knows you want children but he does nothing. Cut your losses. Tempus fugit.

Phineyj · 27/09/2024 16:06

I asked him.

Think carefully before getting hitched to someone with two failed marriages.

You don't want to find there was a common factor...

MixieMatchie · 27/09/2024 16:09

I don't like his phrase about "you won't be waiting long". Makes it sound like a proposal is a reward you earn. You should tell him "no, I won't be waiting long!". And I don't mean for the proposal, which, when you come down to brass tacks means nothing, I mean for the actual marriage.

Although, talking of brass tacks, he does sound like a liability...so maybe stop being his housekeeper and childminder, and see if he will step up and do some actual wooing, wining, dining or whatever a young woman should be enjoying in her 20s before marriage.

ImNotYourMonstera · 27/09/2024 16:10

If he wanted to, he would.
You're young to burden yourself with a man who's not keen on you but happy to accept you doing drudgery work for him, in therapy, bitter about his exes, a part time father, living in your property?
None of this sounds remotely attractive.

ViciousCurrentBun · 27/09/2024 16:11

DH asked me to marry him after 12 weeks, I said no it’s too soon. He asked again after 6 months and I said yes. Zero cajoling.

I mean you invited him in to your home after 8 weeks, you made it all too comfortable too soon. I’m not saying do ‘The Rules’ which was very much the in thing when I was young but you can be too accommodating.

SauviGone · 27/09/2024 16:13

He's made comments about how he already struggles to play on the floor with his son, and how he doesn't want a large age gap (his son is almost 5) between future siblings

He struggles to play on the floor with his son? At age 35? Grin

He’s lining up his excuses already… “I’m too old”, “It’s too big an age gap”.

FreeSausages · 27/09/2024 16:16

Don’t waste your fertile years with a man who isn’t on the same page.

Alwayslurkingsometimesposting · 27/09/2024 16:18

I made it clear to my DH that I wasn't going to move in with him before we were engaged, or have a baby before we were married. I think you answered your own question when you said you're doing "wife duties on a girlfriend salary" - to be a girlfriend again you need to live separately. You can do that as you're renting. I definitely wouldn't be taking on a stepmum role as a girlfriend so I would entirely step out of that role for now. Just see him when his son isn't there. He'll propose within weeks if you do this. However, I would think seriously about whether you want to marry him. I wouldn't marry a man who doesn't do housework and won't even play on the floor with his kid. You're still in your 20s OP. You really can do better.

Pyjamatimenow · 27/09/2024 16:21

Dh asked me to live with him. I just said I wasn’t living in sin (in a tongue in cheek way). About 4 months later he proposed with a ring. If you already live together just move out and see if he comes running with a ring. If he doesn’t that’s your answer. Having said that, men with kids are not catches if you’re 27 unless he has pots of money which it seems he hasn’t so really you’re probably asking the wrong question entirely. I’d be looking for someone better

SauviGone · 27/09/2024 16:23

If you already live together just move out and see if he comes running with a ring.

The OP owns their home. She’s the one providing a bedroom for his child because he didn’t.

ImNotYourMonstera · 27/09/2024 16:25

With your owning your own property you should not be marrying a boyfriend who isn't a property owner himself. Protect your financial security. This man has a track record of failed relationships.

You should be enjoying life, pick a man who is your equal, who wants to marry you and brings equal assets. Scrubbing skirting boards and helping raise some blokes kid is so depressing for you.

Pyjamatimenow · 27/09/2024 16:39

SauviGone · 27/09/2024 16:23

If you already live together just move out and see if he comes running with a ring.

The OP owns their home. She’s the one providing a bedroom for his child because he didn’t.

Just tell him to move out then. She’s got herself a cocklodger with extra baggage and aggravation

deliciouslytwo · 27/09/2024 18:01

I'm very overwhelmed by all the comments so I'll try to answer the main ones and hopefully you can all see it:

(1) He struggles to play on the floor with his son because he has arthritis in his hip.

(2) He's great with his son! A really good dad, is spending 1000s£ on court-related fees currently to try and have him full time (not happening) due to neglect from his mum (she was arrested previously for child neglect in 2022). Is great at playing with him and entertaining him. Doesn't expect me to do anything much in this regard.

(3) Yes, I've seen evidence that he was cheated on 2x. No, he doesn't think he was totally 'innocent' in it all - he wasn't emotionally available to his wife so she looked elsewhere for it. With his child's mum, they had practically split up and he was moving elsewhere in the country when she announced she was pregnant. He tried to make it work but her daughter (different dad) spilled the beans that she'd been having sleepovers with another man.

(4) Yes, I love him. He's a great emotional support for me. He's very kind and gentle and has the approval of my family. My mum is very critical (has been divorced twice and in highly abusive relationships) and is hard to please, but even she's said a few times "You'll never find someone who loves you as much as he does". She absolutely adores him too.

(5) I think there's a balance to be struck. I've overdone it admittedly, I think he's also had a very, very tough time in life. He has a lot of trauma from being cheated on and so in a way, I think it's very understandable that he's hesitant about that kind of commitment again. At the same time, I think there's better ways to phrase it than "I think you're going to cheat on me like your ex-wife did" - a comment he has since apologised for. He's said it was intended as a reflection on him and his issues rather than on me. Questionable but ok.

(6) He lived in a 1-bed flat with his son up until his son was 3 (and then we moved in together). They co-slept. His apartment was filled with every paw-patrol, dinosaur toy you could imagine.

Some questions:

I fully realise I've done too much and given too much of myself. How do I backtrack?

I made it clear that I wouldn't going forward feel comfortable spending my weekends playing happy families. It's his son, his son is here to see him, I don't need to hang around and watch Spiderman cartoons all day - I'm not adding any value to anyone there, and I don't enjoy being cooped up.

I've started making plans and going out on the weekend instead - is this the right thing to be doing?

I can also pull back on the chores, but then that means I'm living in an environment I'm not fully comfortable in. Unsure what to do here.

OP posts:
Andwhatfreshhellisthis · 27/09/2024 18:08

I’m much older. He does 90% of the housework as he works from home.

About 3 months in one of my children asked if I would marry him in front of him and he turned around and said he would be honoured to marry me. He then later said I will marry you tomorrow.

Berlinlover · 27/09/2024 18:17

Awful thread title. If I was your partner with a failed marriage and two exes who cheated on me I wouldn’t be in any rush to get married.

deliciouslytwo · 27/09/2024 18:19

Berlinlover · 27/09/2024 18:17

Awful thread title. If I was your partner with a failed marriage and two exes who cheated on me I wouldn’t be in any rush to get married.

I completely understand that, and am very understanding of it towards my partner.

It does have the slight undertone though of being indirectly punished for his exes actions. These issues aren't things he had actively been dealing with despite knowing those milestones would mean a lot to me.

The question was badly worded maybe but I didn't really think this post through. I was just intending to find out what was the trigger if you like for others' partners to propose - not what forced them etc.

OP posts: