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Husband's pornography use

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Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 14:41

I have strong objections regarding pornography ( abuse, harm, exploitation of women and girls) and when 5 years ago I discovered my husband used porn secretly I was completely devastated & gave him an ultimatum- he stop or I divorce him. He said he hardly used it and that it was no problem stopping. I told him my feelings about porn & was upfront that i couldn't live with a man who used it.
Ive checked in about it over the years but he's always assured me he doesn't use it anymore and he is very plausible.
Recently we went on an extended holiday together. He took his tablet for 'Google Maps' etc. Most days he opted to stay behind at our rental for a few hours by himself to 'read and chill in the garden'.
At first I didn't mind as I enjoyed time to myself on the beach etc and he'd join me later. However, I started to get a feeling, an instinct, call it intuition. I started to question what he was doing and asked if he was using the tablet for porn while I was out of the way. He was indignant and swore he never used it, in fact he hadn't even opened the tablet on the holiday.
I left it to the last day to confront him properly as I didn't want a big scene while we were away together with no way of escape!
I made him put on the tablet. I found that he had been using pornography while i was by myself on the beach. He was extremely upset and bashful but still lying. At first he said it was briefly once during the holiday, then twice ( although data evidence indicated otherwise) and that he'd not used porn since our conversation/ my ultimatum 5 years ago. Over the last few days, with my continued questioning, he's admitted he started using pornography again years ago.
He says it is a compulsion for the illicit.
I think it's the tip of the iceberg and my trust is now detonated.
I can't bear the thought that he was doing this on our holiday and gaslighting me. I can feel only contempt for him.
He says that he loves me and it would be foolish of me to leave a man who adores me.
Well I don't feel adored.
We all have free will..he can do as he chooses, but i have the right to not live with a man who chooses to use pornography. We also hardly ever have sex, although I'm attractive and keep in really good shape etc. He has never really wanted to address the lack of sex between us, it has always been me getting upset and bringing up the subject.
I feel done and finished. Unfortunately I can't move out for 12 months because my son has a year left at university and is living at home. So now I have to live alongside this man ( separate bedrooms anyway because he snores) in a way that doesn't affect my son ( I'm not going to tell my son of my plans because stability at uni is too important) or my mental health.
Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?
Thanks you for reading to the end.

OP posts:
FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:08

XChrome · 27/09/2024 17:56

It's also "normal" for people to eat such a bad diet that it causes obesity, resulting in diabetes and heart disease. Want to look at the numbers for that?
You mean "normal" in the sense of it being common or typical, not in the sense of it being healthy.
Lots of common things are not healthy. The OP's husband admits himself his usage is compulsive.
Get a clue FFS.

No, it's not normal. About a 1/4 of people are obese about 3/4 men use porn.

Again, this is basic stuff. You seem to be living in an alternate universe though. One where you're unable to actually tell if your partner uses porn or not. I can assure you for the vast majority of people that's not normal at all.

namechanged221 · 27/09/2024 19:09

Crikeyalmighty · 27/09/2024 19:01

Identical situation here - similar ages too. I knew about it 7 years ago - said he realised why I was upset and would stop. He never stopped he just doesn't know I know or how I know. I don't think guys do stop OP once they get a taste for it- they just hide it. I'm still undecided on what to do - as in all honesty if I leave I don't want another relationship- I honestly think so many blokes online habits these days are just bloody awful. If it was the 90s and they had been bringing out porn VHS tapes 5 times a week we would have thought they were just utter sleazes. Now it seems we have to 'lump it' because its 'normal' - it totally gave me the ick and he's now created a viscious circle as I don't feel like sex with someone watching this shit most days.

It seems so common.

I'm sorry you are going through this hurtful shit too.

Maybe we should start a support group?

I have no one to talk to about this in real life. I feel ashamed or worried people will think I'm over-reacting because porn is 'fine' and something all men do. But it's actually traumatic to discover someone you trust is literally deceiving you in your own home.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:11

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XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:20

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:08

No, it's not normal. About a 1/4 of people are obese about 3/4 men use porn.

Again, this is basic stuff. You seem to be living in an alternate universe though. One where you're unable to actually tell if your partner uses porn or not. I can assure you for the vast majority of people that's not normal at all.

In the UK 69% of men are overweight or obese. 58% for women. In the US, 73% of all adults are overweight or obese.
So it is extremely common. It is not healthy to be either overweight or obese.
You cannot legitimately claim something is healthy just because it is common. That's a logical fallacy.
What do you mean by "unable to tell?" If they lie about it and hide it, how is anyone supposed to tell?
You are clearly the one living in an alternate universe if you think partners cannot hide things from each other. Example; affairs. Hell, women have been married to gay men and not known it.
You appear to have little experience with relationship and little understanding of people.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:25

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I'm not the one who suggests women should do something about it. You are. So you need to explain what you mean.

Your last bizarre comments are both amusing and revealing of who you are. I'm sure you don't realize how much you are exposing of your warped attitudes with such drivel.

Anonym00se · 27/09/2024 19:29

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:08

No, it's not normal. About a 1/4 of people are obese about 3/4 men use porn.

Again, this is basic stuff. You seem to be living in an alternate universe though. One where you're unable to actually tell if your partner uses porn or not. I can assure you for the vast majority of people that's not normal at all.

How would you suggest a woman should know if a man is going out of his way to hide it? Travel to work with him in the car so you’re there when he pulls over in a lay-by and knocks one out? Be in the cubicle when he goes to the toilet at work? Put cameras in the bathroom? Ban him from being in the house on his own? I’m really interested to hear your easy solutions.

Most partners know because their sleazy partners won’t hide it. When their use becomes excessive they do hide it, very well. The partners of these addicts are suffering. The psychological effects of lying, gaslighting, rejection, fear etc take an unbearable toll. You victim-blaming those women is utterly despicable.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:30

namechanged221 · 27/09/2024 19:09

It seems so common.

I'm sorry you are going through this hurtful shit too.

Maybe we should start a support group?

I have no one to talk to about this in real life. I feel ashamed or worried people will think I'm over-reacting because porn is 'fine' and something all men do. But it's actually traumatic to discover someone you trust is literally deceiving you in your own home.

I heard of s support group on Facebook. It think it's called Survivors of Porn Addicts.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:31

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:20

In the UK 69% of men are overweight or obese. 58% for women. In the US, 73% of all adults are overweight or obese.
So it is extremely common. It is not healthy to be either overweight or obese.
You cannot legitimately claim something is healthy just because it is common. That's a logical fallacy.
What do you mean by "unable to tell?" If they lie about it and hide it, how is anyone supposed to tell?
You are clearly the one living in an alternate universe if you think partners cannot hide things from each other. Example; affairs. Hell, women have been married to gay men and not known it.
You appear to have little experience with relationship and little understanding of people.

You said obese

Now it's "obese and overweight"

Bit pointless discussing things with someone who just wants to be right about everything.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:32

Anonym00se · 27/09/2024 19:29

How would you suggest a woman should know if a man is going out of his way to hide it? Travel to work with him in the car so you’re there when he pulls over in a lay-by and knocks one out? Be in the cubicle when he goes to the toilet at work? Put cameras in the bathroom? Ban him from being in the house on his own? I’m really interested to hear your easy solutions.

Most partners know because their sleazy partners won’t hide it. When their use becomes excessive they do hide it, very well. The partners of these addicts are suffering. The psychological effects of lying, gaslighting, rejection, fear etc take an unbearable toll. You victim-blaming those women is utterly despicable.

I don't know, how about marry someone you can have a conversation with about their sexuality?

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:34

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:25

I'm not the one who suggests women should do something about it. You are. So you need to explain what you mean.

Your last bizarre comments are both amusing and revealing of who you are. I'm sure you don't realize how much you are exposing of your warped attitudes with such drivel.

Yeah everyone else is warped, you're one of the select few. Got that already.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:34

Anonym00se · 27/09/2024 19:29

How would you suggest a woman should know if a man is going out of his way to hide it? Travel to work with him in the car so you’re there when he pulls over in a lay-by and knocks one out? Be in the cubicle when he goes to the toilet at work? Put cameras in the bathroom? Ban him from being in the house on his own? I’m really interested to hear your easy solutions.

Most partners know because their sleazy partners won’t hide it. When their use becomes excessive they do hide it, very well. The partners of these addicts are suffering. The psychological effects of lying, gaslighting, rejection, fear etc take an unbearable toll. You victim-blaming those women is utterly despicable.

IKR. This individual wants to blame women for everything, including not being able to read men's minds and for their husbands preferring to wank to porn than have sex with them.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:37

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:34

Yeah everyone else is warped, you're one of the select few. Got that already.

Really? Have you noticed you stand pretty much alone in this thread and that others are also challenging your nonsense? So apparently it is normal to think you are full of shit.
It's also healthy. Have a great day.

Anonym00se · 27/09/2024 19:40

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:32

I don't know, how about marry someone you can have a conversation with about their sexuality?

Funnily enough, I did this. He lied. In fact, everything that came out of his mouth was the very opposite of what he was actually doing in secret. My only failing was to trust him. But isn’t that what wives do, until we have evidence that shows us that our trust is misplaced?

Crikeyalmighty · 27/09/2024 19:47

@XChrome @namechanged221 there is a good one on Reddit

Crikeyalmighty · 27/09/2024 19:50

@Anonym00se indeed- I'm with mr 'right on'. A real metrosexual - very into women's rights- what a bleeding hypocrite - do posters seriously think a bloke into this attracting a decent looking nice intelligent woman says 'by the way, I do like to watch lesbian porn around 5 times a week? Hope you are fine with that .

Crikeyalmighty · 27/09/2024 20:00

@namechanged221 and by the way one of the reasons I didn't leave is I too thought people would think what an over reaction and I wasn't sure I wanted to be honest about it too . It's not the only reason in my case- but it's in the mix. We are all entitled to things that give us the ick be it alcoholics, gambling, drugs, meanness , but it seems if porn use gives you the ick then it attracts a load of 'but it's normal' - I'm afraid I don't see it like that and for me it's total turn off towards that person- certainly when it's multiple times a week the minute I'm out the door

Daleksatemyshed · 27/09/2024 20:28

You set a boundary Op and he broke it, over and over again, now he wants you to be the responsible adult who keeps him in check. He's supposed to be an adult, yet his idea of sex is so twisted he'd rather live his fantasy then be with a real woman. How can he say he adores you, you're like an optional add on to his life.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 20:31

XChrome · 27/09/2024 19:37

Really? Have you noticed you stand pretty much alone in this thread and that others are also challenging your nonsense? So apparently it is normal to think you are full of shit.
It's also healthy. Have a great day.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who suggested people who are size 14 are 'normal' rather than normal. And I suggest you review the intensity of your posts also.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 20:35

Anonym00se · 27/09/2024 19:40

Funnily enough, I did this. He lied. In fact, everything that came out of his mouth was the very opposite of what he was actually doing in secret. My only failing was to trust him. But isn’t that what wives do, until we have evidence that shows us that our trust is misplaced?

I tend to own my decisions when it comes to who I get involved with.

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 23:12

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 27/09/2024 19:08

No, it's not normal. About a 1/4 of people are obese about 3/4 men use porn.

Again, this is basic stuff. You seem to be living in an alternate universe though. One where you're unable to actually tell if your partner uses porn or not. I can assure you for the vast majority of people that's not normal at all.

"Using porn" =/= compulsive porn use.
Its like being alcoholic. Most people drink. Some are alcoholics.

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 23:14

namechanged221 · 27/09/2024 19:09

It seems so common.

I'm sorry you are going through this hurtful shit too.

Maybe we should start a support group?

I have no one to talk to about this in real life. I feel ashamed or worried people will think I'm over-reacting because porn is 'fine' and something all men do. But it's actually traumatic to discover someone you trust is literally deceiving you in your own home.

I wonder if we should ask MNHQ for a board? I feel like a support board for women who have lost their marriage to porn could be helpful

Circeandthepigs · 27/09/2024 23:24

I'm on board with this, absolutely. I think it's needed. It isn't a subject many of us will feel happy sharing with family and even close friends, so it would be a relief and a blessing to have a support board, if this is possible x

OP posts:
namechanged221 · 28/09/2024 15:02

Yes, I agree!

I've just reported the post to ask if we can have a board to discuss this.

porn addiction/people who are in relationships or have left relationships where porn is a catalyst

Circeandthepigs · 28/09/2024 19:18

Thank you for doing that 🌷

OP posts:
CassieMaddox · 28/09/2024 20:34

namechanged221 · 28/09/2024 15:02

Yes, I agree!

I've just reported the post to ask if we can have a board to discuss this.

porn addiction/people who are in relationships or have left relationships where porn is a catalyst

Thank you! Please let us know what they say.