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Do they ever come back? Devastated. Following on. Endless winter.

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Pleasenotme · 21/09/2024 16:53

Do they ever come back? Devastated.
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Pleasenotme · 17/09/2024 16:25
Long time lurker, occasional poster, nc'd for this. DH has told me he wants a divorce. I can barely write this as I am so devastated and struggling to keep things together. Been together 35 years, DC. I thought we had everything. Says he hasn't been happy for a while, wants to sell our house, have a new start. I know men rarely leave without having someone in the wings. He was adamant that there was no one, but youngest DD saw him meeting up with a woman not far from the house. It was pure fluke she saw them as her nursing shifts mean she is not normally around at that time and I was in Scotland visiting my DM. DD told me about this only after DH had told her that he is divorcing me as she had been worried about it but didn't want to say anything in case it was innocent. He denies an OW. Of course. I know this woman on a casual basis and have socialised with her as part of a larger group. She is married with two young DC. My DD babysits for her occasionally.
I feel like an explosion has gone off in our lives. I can't believe this is happening. He is like an ice man with me, a stranger. He has said the most cruel things. Our marriage has had the inevitable turmoils and ups and downs but he is my soul mate. I thought we would be together forever. I can't stop crying, I can't work - thankfully my boss has been very kind - I had to ring Samaritans last night as I was so very bleak and was having panic attacks and I didn't want to be here, I just wanted it all to go away. I know that sounds foolish and selfish. He has moved out and is staying with his sister locally. We are not close so there is no point talking to her about it.
I love him so much. I can't imagine life without him, I just can't. Is there anyone on here who has had experience of their DH doing this to them AND coming back? I am grimly aware of the number of men who dump their DWs during the mid years of their lives. I suspect I am clutching at straws but this is like an earthquake. I am totally desperate for this not to be happening. Thank you for reading.

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Dollybantree · 24/10/2024 13:43

bulb34 · 24/10/2024 13:04

How ridiculous to have got my post deleted - there was nothing offensive about it.

It's never a good idea to invest all your ideas of happiness and contentment on another person, and 35 years is a very long time for even the best of relationships to stay fresh and fulfilling.

I don't believe in the idea of a 'love of your life' - life is not a Disney movie. We have relationships, some good, some bad, some great, but there is no one sole person in the world that is 'meant' for us.

It can be very fruitful and rewarding for women in mid- and later life to regain their freedom and find a new lease of life, in fact that is often what happens when people divorce in later life!

I think all the wallowing and begging for someone who is behaving terribly to come back is very unhealthy and I'm amazed that the majority of women here are encouraging it.

I agree with you.

Hopefully op is just in the grief stage and will at some point find her anger and realise her dh is a thoroughly selfish, nasty individual. His contempt at her upset and his swanning about without a care in the world whilst she is devastated speaks volumes about him as a person and I’d never be able to look at him the same way again. I really hope the op gets to the place of seeing him for what he is.

I think op seems like a gentle, kind person who sees the good in others and I wonder if sometimes people like this don’t get taken advantage of. I think her dh is taking the absolute piss quite honestly, but I’m a harder more cynical person in general.

In the meantime she is doing well just getting herself up and ready and working where she can.

Time is the only healer unfortunately and it still hasn’t been that long.

oakleaffy · 24/10/2024 14:16

bulb34 · 24/10/2024 13:04

How ridiculous to have got my post deleted - there was nothing offensive about it.

It's never a good idea to invest all your ideas of happiness and contentment on another person, and 35 years is a very long time for even the best of relationships to stay fresh and fulfilling.

I don't believe in the idea of a 'love of your life' - life is not a Disney movie. We have relationships, some good, some bad, some great, but there is no one sole person in the world that is 'meant' for us.

It can be very fruitful and rewarding for women in mid- and later life to regain their freedom and find a new lease of life, in fact that is often what happens when people divorce in later life!

I think all the wallowing and begging for someone who is behaving terribly to come back is very unhealthy and I'm amazed that the majority of women here are encouraging it.

A Divorce lawyers who ''did'' my divorce {we were only together 7 years} said that it was the ''long'' marriages where the wife really suffered.
Sometimes even leading to the unthinkable.

These two men had a lot of empathy for women, and absolutely understood that losing someone one had assumed was a life partner , and a lovely family home was a shock, and as an older woman, it was a lot harder to make a go of things, even alone, than when one is younger and has a load more energy.

I was in my 20's when I got divorced, was able top eventually buy Ex out of the house - even then, to was a hellish shock.

OP probably doesn't want to go online dating and kicking her heels and relishing her life as a single woman - and why should she?

I expect she grieves for the potential loss of her home.

Mum {a widow , not divorced} had to downsize after Dad's death, and she misses the old family home even now, over 10 years on, despite having a beautiful cottage more suited and affordable to run.

PiggyPigalle · 24/10/2024 14:19

I'm not going to put in writing what a marriage break up fully entails, as seeing it may distress the OP even more. She already knows as she's living it.
There are personality traits however where the person isn't capable of empathy, so I will spell it out for you.

You are hurting the OP by stating your unwelcome views. She obviously finds some comfort from speaking anonymously on a forum. Married friends often don't want to know, as they see what could happen to their own marriage. Single friends don't get it and children shouldn't be involved. So OP is here and very welcome.

LushLemonTart · 24/10/2024 14:19

@rainydays03 that's so inspiring. I'm glad you're happier now.

Laiste · 24/10/2024 14:22

For what it's worth, i think that a good mix of responses is good. Posters shouldn't shut down opinions. The OP is not an idiot, she can scroll on by.

Love and support keeps you aloft. Harder to hear/read messages carry you forward. They need to be there and they have a place.

OP, the highest percentage of messages to you here have been purely empathy, support and love. And that's really good.

In among those have been a few posts which may feel hard to read., but my honest opinion is that it's those which sew the tiny seeds of the next step. When you are ready (and no one including you will know when that moment will come - it will just happen) those posts will pique your interest.

There's always the friend who will sit and cry with you. And there's always that friend who will tell you to get off your arse and get on.

Both are valuable.
Flowers

oakleaffy · 24/10/2024 14:24

PinkyFlamingo · 24/10/2024 12:31

I have followed your story from the start but it was too hard to try as it was too scarily similar to me. It's now been 14 months since my lovely DH walked out on me after 24 and a bit years of marriage, completely out of the blue For another woman I don't need to write how I felt as you have described absolutely everything I have felt. So I will just say it does get better, and sometimes it can get worse and better to.
I no longer would have him back and that breaks my heart into little pieces because of what we had. Our life. Which he has thrown away I would never trust him again ever but it has taken me a year to get to this point.
I don't cry every day but I would be lieing if I said I don't still have major down episodes. All 3 of my boys have cut him off, not because if him leaving but how he's behaves towards me and them since. I think he genuinely thought once the dust had settled they would welcome him and his new fiancée with open arms. Yes new fiancée, despite not being divorced he got engaged to her the week before he left me!
My friends have been utterly amazing. Needed them more than ever. But I do know that existing rather than living feeling too well and the absolute shattering of the trust I had, never once doubted him in our entire life together. I to can't get over how dismissive he has been towards me, how cold and how much I feel completely discarded and replaced . Still do really but the difference is now I'm starting to live again.
You will to, the old cliche ....it just takes time.

My husband got married to the OW the minute our divorce came through.

2 yrs later , I fielded a landline call that was silent apart from sniffing.

My ex.

He had broken up with the OW and was in a state.

I did feel a certain schadenfreude.

Didn't have him back, but it was me he thought of to sniff down the phone when in extremis.

In later years he said it was the worst thing he had done.

Laiste · 24/10/2024 14:31

@oakleaffy schadenfreude. A word i learned on MN. And it's a good one!

Re: pull yourself together type posts; I meant to add to my previous post that years ago (12 years +) i started a thread for help on MN. And I got lots of sympathy and empathy and a little sprinkle of pull yourself together stuff. All of it has stayed with me over the years. All of it helped at different moments.

The mind reaches for what it needs - different things at different times. Different hours different days different months even. You need variety of advice to chose from.

oakleaffy · 24/10/2024 14:32

PiggyPigalle · 24/10/2024 14:19

I'm not going to put in writing what a marriage break up fully entails, as seeing it may distress the OP even more. She already knows as she's living it.
There are personality traits however where the person isn't capable of empathy, so I will spell it out for you.

You are hurting the OP by stating your unwelcome views. She obviously finds some comfort from speaking anonymously on a forum. Married friends often don't want to know, as they see what could happen to their own marriage. Single friends don't get it and children shouldn't be involved. So OP is here and very welcome.

Very true - Cosily married friends fear long term break ups, as if it may be catching, like a nasty bug.

They think ''If Pete and Sue can split, and their marriage seemed so secure...what is the possibility that we may also split''

My husband came in one evening, shocked that he had seen a married friend canoodling with another woman at a gig- He appeared visibly shocked, only to become unfaithful himself a year or two later.

Laiste · 24/10/2024 14:37

My husband came in one evening, shocked that he had seen a married friend canoodling with another woman at a gig- He appeared visibly shocked, only to become unfaithful himself a year or two later.

Humans are creatures who don't even really know themselves. Personalities are fluid. Promises really only last until the words have finished coming out.

All of us should keep 1% of our hearts guarded. Even after years together.

oakleaffy · 24/10/2024 14:37

Laiste · 24/10/2024 14:31

@oakleaffy schadenfreude. A word i learned on MN. And it's a good one!

Re: pull yourself together type posts; I meant to add to my previous post that years ago (12 years +) i started a thread for help on MN. And I got lots of sympathy and empathy and a little sprinkle of pull yourself together stuff. All of it has stayed with me over the years. All of it helped at different moments.

The mind reaches for what it needs - different things at different times. Different hours different days different months even. You need variety of advice to chose from.

Hope lovely OP will get her schadenfreude moment in due course.

I think it was that {Ex splitting with OW and having a second divorce} made me begin to recover.

Laiste · 24/10/2024 14:40

The fact that something triggered your recovery is fantastic.

It doesn't matter a jot what it was as long as it came along and did it! Flowers

Cyclebabble · 24/10/2024 15:00

I do not really talk about my experiences. IRE my way of coping is to put what happened in a box and leave it there. In my case DH left very suddenly and I had no idea anything was wrong. He left immediately before a family holiday and left me to cancel everything and explain things to everyone. There was an OW and (as I think is common), he then sought to blame me for the break up.

In my head at the time there was a mixture of pain, disbelief, shock and hurt along with (honestly) shame at my marriage having failed.

Shortly after I realised I needed mental health support and for a time I was on suicide watch as I genuinely had such thoughts and I was not rational.

Taking each day at a time I came through it. I have learned to be stronger and to ignore the belittling rubbish thrown around me and I have emerged stronger and better.

There is nothing wrong with seeking support and I would do so early if this feels overwhelming. Just take one day at a time and trust me, things will improve.

WeAreWhereWeAre · 24/10/2024 15:10

@oakleaffy My ExH did this too! Rang me when he was going through a rough patch with the OW a year after he left. The absolute cheek of it! By then I'd already met DP and knew he was a keeper.

@Laiste I agree about the variety of advice. I also had a thread on here 12 years ago when he left. I was like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move and not capable of getting my ducks in a row. There was one particular poster who dished out quite a bit of 'tough love' but her advice did give me the jolt I needed.

Pleasenotme · 24/10/2024 15:13

fossilgap · 24/10/2024 13:36

i do you think the title, endless winter is a little bit histrionic

It's an allusion to the Narnia stories which I have referred to in my other thread. It's my title and I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities in some way but there are deeply personal reasons why the Narnia books were incredibly important to me as a child, and why they continue to be. I simply can't imagine writing a post like that but each to their own.

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Pleasenotme · 24/10/2024 15:16

Can I just comment that I haven't asked for any posts to be deleted - we all have agency and there is no right or wrong approach to anything, albeit what is right for ME may not fit people's idea or ideal of the 'correct' way to do it. Yes, I won't deny that sometimes I recoil when I read what some of you have written because it is acid-edged (the use of the word 'wallowing' I do think is unnecessarily judgemental), but you have as much right to despair of me that I do to plough my own furrow of approach to the agonising situation I find myself in. But the diversity of thought and opinion on this thread and so many others is one of the things that gives MN its magnificent strength; you all carry me on your shoulders irrespective if my weight is either a burden willingly accepted, or an irritant. Thank you.

I haven't found my anger yet but I'm not a particularly angry person and never have been; a capacity to see all sides of an argument or story might be a strength on many occasions, but it does mean that I am anchored - in fact probably mired - in exhaustion and haven't lit the blue touch paper of rage. I try to generate fury but I get a glimmer only when I think back over the months that OW cultivated access to my family. They hid in plain sight, what a fool I was. And I recall her making a rude comment about my weight and lack of fitness in the presence of my H which he claimed afterwards not to have heard, but I know for sure that he did. In retrospect, he was already in her camp and I was in the rear view mirror.

I loved that beautiful Camus quote, thank you, and have sent it to my youngest DD who is really suffering with all this. To reassure those who have asked, I have taken legal advice and I know where I stand financially. Rather as in 's* *situation, I don't need to rush into anything but I know I need to do something about my will and what might happen to my share of our assets should the Lord take me unto himself. In respect of the anti-depressants, I think I psyched myself out reading the insert slip and began to imagine that I was developing every possible side-effect listed, and I found the heart palpitations almost unbearable. All rather pathetic I know and I will discuss with the GP. I am not normally neurotic so I really don't like this lapse into hypochondria.

I'm taking the advice offered by so many of you to think only in terms of minutes and hours, as even looking ahead to tomorrow seems overwhelming sometimes. I sit on the board of a voluntary group who are soon to have their big annual fundraising and budget-setting planning meeting but earlier found myself unable to even open the attachments to the agenda as that would have meant focusing, and thinking, and deciding. Deciding! Deciding for me at the moment is the toss up between a can of Heinz Tomato Soup and a microwave meal, or even whether I can bear the feel of the water on my skin when I shower.

I hear from H once in a blue moon via text, never calls, and it's always about practical things relating to the house, such as booking a delivery of oil for the heating. He writes in a business-like way, again as if we have never been in any kind of relationship, never mind an intimate one. Simply extraordinary.
More positively, my lovely boss sent me a very kind note about the meeting and how pleased she was that I had not only been there, but managed to remain composed and was decisive when required. She said she felt that was 'progress'. Perhaps she is right, or perhaps my decision to act my way through it, like I was on the outside of me looking at my 'performance' convinced them all, despite my inner terror.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/10/2024 15:20

BruFord · 22/10/2024 15:34

You have to try give this energy into wanting him back into wanting yourself.
@thiscantbemylife has good advice. You are the important person, not him.

I agree with PP's that he can jolly well redirect his post and I'd suggest asking one of your children to ask him to do this. They can tell him that he's upsetting their Mum by turning up and he needs to stop. It's not particularly expensive to do and he can have some consideration for other people.

Do you know his address? Get some sticky labels with it on, stick them on the envelope, put it back in the post box. A minor inconvenience 🤬 but a minor revenge too.

I would be tempted to put ‘return to sender, no longer at this address’, but that might be….wrong.

🦵⛹🏻‍♂️ Him in the 🏀 s

RareMaker · 24/10/2024 15:22

He is seemingly able to cope better because he mentally shut off a long time ago xx

Laiste · 24/10/2024 15:26

Perhaps she is right, or perhaps my decision to act my way through it, like I was on the outside of me looking at my 'performance' convinced them all, despite my inner terror.

We're all 'acting our way through it' my lovely 😊

Re: anger. I'm not an angry sort of person either. It's quite a waste of energy.
When i had my crisis i didn't look for anger i needed to start feeling ... more like: no fuck it i'm not being washed around by these emotions anymore. Y'know?

LetThereBeLove · 24/10/2024 15:27

RareMaker · 24/10/2024 15:22

He is seemingly able to cope better because he mentally shut off a long time ago xx

'He emotionally left a long time ago' was what a friend told me. Hard but true 😢

RedRoss86 · 24/10/2024 15:30

I also love the Narnia stories & as you will well know, the 'endless winter' does in fact end, the world blossoms & comes to life.
I think your title is perfect. This endless winter you are experiencing will infact one day end.

WeAreWhereWeAre · 24/10/2024 15:38

Not a fool @Pleasenotme. You had 30+ years' experience of your H working against you. He's no longer the person he was.

I do think that the coldness is a form of self protection on his part.

Have you also updated any pension arrangements. I completely dropped the ball on that one as I only recently discovered that my 'in service death payment' would have gone to my ExH.

Secondstart1001 · 24/10/2024 15:39

What’s more upsetting is what sneaky bastards they were, hiding in plain sight. That is one of the roots of how hurtful this betrayal is. And going back in your mind to past events and saying oh I see it all now, why couldn’t I see it before?

MissFancyDay · 24/10/2024 15:49

I haven't commented on your threads yet @Pleasenotme but I have been following and thinking of you regularly. I am so pleased that you have let us know how you are, you sound such a lovely woman. There must be many more people reading, and offering no direct advice, but wishing you well and hoping for the best for you.

You mention feeling like the women of Mumsnet are carrying you on their shoulders, well I think that that number of women is far larger than you imagine.

Well done for getting through the meeting, I hope that the strength that you called on will give you hope and comfort. I am always amazed as to the extent we women can put on a normal persona, whilst dying inside, when situations call for it, it takes a lot of strength.

Investinmyself · 24/10/2024 15:51

Your boss sounds lovely and supportive.
Can you step away from volunteer work for now it sounds like it would be an added burden not a welcome distraction.

mrsmiawallace3 · 24/10/2024 16:02

Pleasenotme · 27/09/2024 10:34

Thank you all for continuing to support me on a journey I don't wish to be on and I'm sorry that I'm not replying to every comment, so many of them absolutely heartbreaking. To those of you who have PM'd me, I would do anything in my power to take away your own suffering as I would not wish any of this on anyone (well, perhaps the OW..) @oakleaffy YES, it was so hard to raise my arms to lather, in fact I had to have more than a couple of goes and ended up leaning against the shower wall for support as it was simply exhausting. Such an everyday task, yet it felt like a monumental effort.

I've been looking into my employer's staff wellbeing programme and it seems I can have six sessions of counselling by an external provider. I really don't want counselling at the moment as the mere thought of talking to a stranger about this is just too much but I'll investigate. The irony is not lost on me that I'm talking to the Mumsnet Massive about the most personal things, but somehow it feels different, and relatively safe.

I have my review with the GP later; the receptionist has booked me in for a double session so I assume that's 10 minutes rather than 5. I intend to get to the practice early as it has become a bit of a focus, this GP chat, as in my wildest dreams he will wave a magic wand and all is well, and all will be well. It's not going to happen, is it.

I miss him, I miss him. I'm sobbing. The bleakness is simply awful. I physically hurt with it. Dear god, this is agony.

Strong liquor Doll. Just for a bit.

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