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My mum is the biggest conflict in my life-i dont know where to go from here

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Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:00

Where to start? I am in my mid 40s with a good job, 3 fantastic children and a husband I have been with since my teens who is my best friend and loves me to bits. We have a good life and great relationship and I feel blessed for that.
Now to the issue… my Mum. My Mum is a very intelligent woman who can be very nice and to all outsiders would seem lovely but she has always been a very controlling and critical woman behind closed doors and has had many bust ups with myself and older brother over the years. She used to write us awful letters when we displeased her, my husband recently found some and burned them as he didnt want me to re read them. It always follows the same pattern of her being nice, helpful with the children etc then if we dare to disagree with her on anything she will blow up, it is always nasty comments that she knows will cause the most hurt. My brother has little to do with her and we both suspect she has a personality disorder- namely victim narcissistic disorder. She will never ever accept she does any wrong, gaslights constantly and fires about how we could treat her so badly! In the past this has led to me always apologising just to make things right and as a result i am an anxious people pleaser. She will the accept apology and be overly lovely- trying to buy affection with money, of which she has plenty.
my dad passed away a long time ago and although he loved her very much i suspect he was aware that she had issues as he was the only one who could stop her when she was at her most vicious. My brother and I both got an inheritance from my dad and this is frequently used against us … ie it paid for the extension and all she has done for us etc etc.
in recent years I have tried many times to talk to my mum as an adult about this behaviour but she completely denies it or accuses me of hating her and constantly bringing up the past, I do bring up things she has said as they hurt so much but she will never apologise and always puts herself in victim mode. She is currently staying in our spare room while waiting to move, brother refused to have her, and things are awful. She criticises everything and makes out she doesn’t and has no problems being vile to me when I end up getting frustrated and snapping. She ensure to only be like this when im alone with her, infront of my husband she is all sweetness and light. It came tp a head last week and my husband made everyone a cuppa and spoke to her about how her “fun comments” as she calls them affect me. He told her to stop with the nasty comments but she just repeated as always how difficult i am and how he must find the same and she feels sorry for him living with me! This did not go down well and that was her aim. My children are all aware of how manipulative she is- everything is a competition to her about why she is the best but also the most hard done by.
i currently feel uncomfortable in my own home and am counting down the days to her leaving.
I want to have a relationship with her as I love the nice side of her but the other side reduces me to a wreck. Everyone things she is wonderful and will tell me how lucky I am to have such a lovely Mum. How do I navigate this relationship?
I have already decided minimum contact once she is gone but It hurts my heart when I hear her tell my Uncle and her friends how awful and difficult I am and how badly I treat her when all she tries to do it help. All I want is a normal relationship like the wonderful one I have with my children. I could never contemplate treating them like this.
where do I go from here and how do I stop her getting under my skin the way she does? She is Jekyl and Hyde and I am constantly trying to navigate this very unstable and unhealthy relationship.
sorry for the long post but I could provide examples of behaviours that go one for days.

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SummerInSun · 09/09/2024 14:03

So so sorry to hear this. You need her out of your house now and you need to get some good therapy. You can't change her or fix her or make her the mother you want her to be.

Secondstart1001 · 09/09/2024 14:04

You are so lucky your husband has your back!

Turnitoffnonagain · 09/09/2024 14:10

She sounds like my late mother, and I'm sorry to say she will not change. The best you can do is go low contact to protect yourself.
In fact in your shoes I would show her the door, she can stay in a hotel!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:18

Would you tolerate this from a friend?.

Get her out of your home and as soon as possible. Tell her to go in your husband s presence. He will and should back you.

Yoir mother is abusive and she has not changed since your childhood. Her nice/nasty cycle of abuse is a continuous one. You became a people pleaser as a result of wanting to parent please mother which was and is an impossible task. It also does your children no favours for them to see you being so disrespected by their nan.

You will Never have a normal relationship with her because she is toxic and not built that way. You need therapy to untangle all of this and to reclaim your life. Do read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward and look at the current Well
we took you to Stately homes thread on these Relationships pages.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:19

You will need to grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:20

I am so grateful for my husband.
it is such a confusing relationship as I feel obligated to help in all areas but so hurt when she turns on me for trying to have boundaries. She will pretend not to understand or misinterpret boundaries until I snap and then she fires, it is loke a game of chess that I dont want to play.

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Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:21

Thank u for you kind response, I would love to know how other navigate this type of relationship

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Itiswhysofew · 09/09/2024 14:22

That's a really difficult situation to handle. You want to have a relationship with her good and kind side, so it's understandable you're struggling to go NC or LC.

If I were you, I'd record her when she's in full swing, then when she's flipped to her better side, play it back to her, so she can be reminded of how she actually does behave. She knows exactly how awful she is.

Secondstart1001 · 09/09/2024 14:23

Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:20

I am so grateful for my husband.
it is such a confusing relationship as I feel obligated to help in all areas but so hurt when she turns on me for trying to have boundaries. She will pretend not to understand or misinterpret boundaries until I snap and then she fires, it is loke a game of chess that I dont want to play.

At least you know deep down you are not the problem, it’s your mother. She uses all the tools of emotional manipulation that exist my the sounds of it! With your husband, you have your sanity and your peace.

MounjaroUser · 09/09/2024 14:23

Oh she sounds awful. How much longer is she staying?

MichaelandKirk · 09/09/2024 14:24

Why on earth is she in your house? Her move could go on for months and months! Realistically as she ages she will get worse and worse and her judgement will go. She will become more and more self absorbed and her feeling of being the 'victim' will increase so that everything that she wants will be about her.

You need to set boundaries NOW. You can say that having her stay with you is making things worse and for your future relationship with her she needs to move into a hotel until her new place is ready. Bear in mind as well that she will remind you again and again that you got money from your Father. She might even dangle the remaining inheirtance as a threat to get you to do her bidding.

I know that I am sounding cold hearted but a friend of mine had something similar with her late Mother who kept wanting her children to do her bidding otherwise - well she would have to consider changing her will. In the end she left a significant amount to a charity and the remaining money she didnt split 50/50 with her two children. Horrible mess to sort out and the charity hounded my friend as she was Executor. She ended up with about £20k and she did consider that was peanuts in the end for everything that had happened. She didnt know she could actually refuse to be Executor so was stuck with all of this paperwork and hassle. Needless to say the sibling (male!) did nothing. Just took his £200k...

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:26

There is no good side to her, her nice/nasty cycle of abuse is a continuous one.

She does indeed know how she is with you and she does not care. Do not bother recording her or such like because she could accuse you of faking the recording , adopt a no contact position with her going forward. Having her in your life even on low contact will do you no good. She is a toxic individual to be around and you will need to do what your brother has already done.

Spenditlikebeckham · 09/09/2024 14:26

My dm flounced out of my home in the year 2000. Didn't see her until 2010. When I made contact. I regretted it within a fortnight. Same snipey woman. Struggled in for about 2 years then I went nc. Been over 12 years. For the sake of your mh, your marriage and your dc's mh get rid op. She is toxic. Break the chain and support your dc in keeping away from her. My adult dc don't see my dm either.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:27

She installed the fear obligation and guilt buttons in you and she uses you to her own advantage. You need to get her out of your home asap.

Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:29

Another month at least- it has been 5 already and I so wanted her to feel welcome as I feel sad for her moving from her home she had with my dad and all the turmoil that involves but now we avpid each other and when I say we are having dinner, pls join us etc she declines or will cold shoulder me as we are all so “awful to her and obviously hate her “

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:30

Have a read too of the Out of the Fog website

Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:31

These response are so profoundly helpful in making me believe I may not be the issue.
thank u all

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:32

Another month of her in your home will
further destroy you emotionally from
the inside out. She needs to go as she is an ungrateful guest as well as a poor mother.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 09/09/2024 14:32

I would mirror her comments back, when she says your DH must find it hard as you are so difficult, I'd reply ' it's a shame Dad's not around as DH said he'd ask him how he dealt with you being difficult'. Throw every nasty comment back at her - and mirror her sweetness and light behaviour in front of everyone else. When she's making nasty comments, just to you, don't let them 'hit', do lots of hmmm, really, is that so? comments.
I'd also make lots of comments about how you are doing things differently with your kids, because you 'support them 100 per cent'. Throw in an innocent 'when was the last time you spoke to DB?' 'Gosh I couldn't imagine not speaking to one of my kids, that must be so difficult'. Play her at her own nasty games.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:34

You are not the problem here, she is. Anyone like your uncle (easily manipulated relative) who is frankly stupid enough to believe her needs to be ousted from your life too.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2024 14:35

You probably also remind her of your dad, a man she’s always hated. Women like your mother cannot do relationships at all
and it’s not your fault she is like this. Nor did you make her that way.

GogAndMagog · 09/09/2024 14:40

I would seriously look at getting therapy.

I had one of these people in my life and i can't over emphasise the effect it had on my mental well being. You are trauma bonded and it's exhausting.

This book is very very good. She has a podcast and Facebook page.
The author struggled with her own mother in similar vein so you will find lots to relate to.

My mum is the biggest conflict in my life-i dont know where to go from here
Lucyccfc68 · 09/09/2024 14:41

Helpmeout99 · 09/09/2024 14:21

Thank u for you kind response, I would love to know how other navigate this type of relationship

There is only one way to navigate this type of relationship and that is to remove it and all it’s negativity from your life.

You can’t change her unfortunately and the more you try, the more she will gas-light you and make you feel like it’s all your fault.

I haven’t seen or spoken to my Mum since 2018 and the first year was really difficult. I grieved for all the things I thought I had lost. In truth I had lost all the negativity and drama from my life. It’s very liberating in the end.

NewtonsCradle · 09/09/2024 14:42

Make her responsible for her behaviour/ decisions eg. "Are you coming down for dinner or shall I bring it up to you?" When she's baiting you just say, "I'm sorry you feel that way" and then ignore. I don't think it's necessary to go no contact if she's just not dangerous just decide to make all your decisions for yourself and literally laugh off the manipulation. She's not going to become a good mum this late in the game but you'll probably beat yourself up and worry about her if you go no contact. Be kind to yourself and civil to your mum.

NDerbys32 · 09/09/2024 14:46

You describe my mother, to a tee, and her sister too. Both exhibited the same behaviours over many years, but the behaviour of my mother became too much and all too obvious. I tried, over years, to try to be able to deal with it and explain my perception and experiences to her but she wouldn't listen, and failed.
When she ignored our only child to concentrate on her daughter's kids (golden child) that was really hard to live through.

I ended up in therapy for other matters, when the family issues spilled out and my counsellor was incredible in helping me find a way through it.
Many years ago, I slowly withdrew contact until it was 'no contact', on my terms and at my pace.

They don't change, they won't change and you deserve better. All I can say is my life became better for making that decision.

I so wish you well.