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Stingy restaurant behaviour has given me the ick

651 replies

HazelSchmazel · 04/08/2024 17:43

This afternoon, I went on a second date with a guy I met on Tinder. Wasn't too sure after the first date, but I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

We had a nice meal and the bill was in the region of £50. When it was time to pay, I placed £30 (cash) in the middle of the table on the basis of £25 for my share and a £5 tip (our shares of food and drink were pretty much 50/50). He then proffered my £30 to the waiter, together with his credit card and said 'put £20 on my card'. So the poor waiting staff get no tip and my £5 effectively goes into his pocket!!! Uuuurgh - instant ick!

I should have said something, but I just wanted to get the fuck away from the knuckle dragger asap! Plus I was temporarily deaf from the thunderclap of my fanny slamming shut.

Now snuggled up with my cat, a bar of chocolate and am planning a Netflix binge, together with a future life of celibacy. Bliss!

Anyone else with a story of financially induced ick?

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HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:19

Aaaaaah - if only we had the luxury of a Trip Advisor (Shit Advisor?) for potential dating partners ........

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NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 18:38

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 08:59

'Cock coddling' - love it!!!!

I'm actually very much in two minds about who pays for the first few dates. I always offer to pay half - BUT, as women we are financially disadvantaged, in that on average we earn less than men. In addition we are subject to a beauty tax in that we spend a lot more than men on cosmetics, toiletries, clothes, treatments etc. (OK, so you could argue that's optional, but let's face it - we need to look a certain way in order to stay in the dating game). Then we have to spend a ton more time getting ready for a date. I've been on so many dates where I've really made an effort, only to be faced with some scrote who looks (and smells) as though he has just emerged from a swamp.

So it would be rather nice if men were capable of recognising this financial/time disparity and offer to pay in full.

Obviously prepared to get shot down in flames by cock coddlers, but just saying .......

Edited

Yes, women, as a group, earn less then men but plenty of women can afford to pay their half. It is NOT the 1950's.
The "beauty tax". Oh please. That is entirely optional.

"Tons more time getting ready". Again, oh please.
These arguments are so 1950's it makes me embarrassed.
Pay your share. If you can't afford it, make it clear from the outset. It's just maths.

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 18:41

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 09:55

Exactly! And any reduction of that risk may have a financial impact - eg. forking out for a taxi after a date, while he walks home

Hogwash. Pay your share.

MournfulMonday · 06/08/2024 18:44

So you expect a man to pay for your make up and taxi? Staggering.

Comedycook · 06/08/2024 18:44

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 18:41

Hogwash. Pay your share.

The op did pay her share.

It was him who didn't

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 18:46

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 06/08/2024 10:32

Well more fool you.

Honestly the bar is so low. This wasn't five people, this was two - he deliberately paid less taking OP's overpayment.

I don't know why so many people are happy to try and explain this away - he's a tight arse at best, and actively trying to get others to pay his way at worst. He's probably one of those that always says to split the bill in large groups and uses it as an excuse to gorge himself silly at everyone else's expense.

But why are you so convinced that he's a tight arse? People are merely pointing out other possibilities.

This is not making excuses. This is called not jumping to conclusions. I can see myself doing the same as he did (I'm a woman) and I am in no way a tight arse. It's $5 FFS.

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:46

Oh dear - the angry incels are back

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Comedycook · 06/08/2024 18:48

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:46

Oh dear - the angry incels are back

Do you mean the ones who are convinced all women are after them for their money despite the fact there are no women after them and they don't have any money anyway?! 😂

Psychoticbreak · 06/08/2024 18:48

Women as a group earn less? Really? I earned more than my ex. Similar roles but I was the one earning more.

OP I would have gotten the ick too. Now moreso considering my recent ex touted himself as generous. If I was to tot up what each of us spent in our relationship I would have considerably paid more and time and again I remember a day out or night out and I would have been almost conned out of paying too. If it walks like a duck and all that. Being stingy is a bugbear of mine. If you cannot afford something then fine tell me but do not pull a cheapskate stunt like this.

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 18:48

IcyCat · 06/08/2024 11:11

Not tipping is an immediate ick for me, unless the service was really awful.

I recently went on a date with a guy I met on holiday, we were both traveling alone. We met for a late drink one night, I had one glass of wine, he ordered a beer, dinner & dessert for himself, and another beer. When the bill came (50 euros!) he asked me to split it 50/50, and got annoyed when I said no way. The ick was strong for me, yet he had no idea, still had the audacity to try to kiss me 🤢

OMG!!! Now THAT is a tight bastard at best. No other possibility.

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:49

Got it in one @Comedycook

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Psychoticbreak · 06/08/2024 18:50

@Comedycook gas cos my ex tells people I wanted him for his CAR. Yes he did drive a flash car. A company bloody car. They really do walk amongst us and believe their own hype.

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:53

The "beauty tax". Oh please. That is entirely optional

Ever tried to get a ladies' haircut for the same price as a mans' @NonsuchCastle ?

No - didn't think so

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HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:00

Psychoticbreak · 06/08/2024 18:50

@Comedycook gas cos my ex tells people I wanted him for his CAR. Yes he did drive a flash car. A company bloody car. They really do walk amongst us and believe their own hype.

Unbelievable arrogance and self delusion!

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Psychoticbreak · 06/08/2024 19:01

@HazelSchmazel oh i have further stories but I have put the cork back in the bottle for now hhaa

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:03

Psychoticbreak · 06/08/2024 19:01

@HazelSchmazel oh i have further stories but I have put the cork back in the bottle for now hhaa

Shame - I would love to hear your stories! x

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HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:08

MournfulMonday · 06/08/2024 18:44

So you expect a man to pay for your make up and taxi? Staggering.

Errrrrrr - I never said that .....

Your righteous indignation at women wishing to keep themselves safe from sexual assault (such audacity - how very dare they) is clearly impairing your comprehension skills

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NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 19:20

Comedycook · 06/08/2024 18:44

The op did pay her share.

It was him who didn't

I was not addressing the OP.

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 19:23

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 18:53

The "beauty tax". Oh please. That is entirely optional

Ever tried to get a ladies' haircut for the same price as a mans' @NonsuchCastle ?

No - didn't think so

Yes. I go to a barber and he does a lovely bob for me. Back to the 50's with you.

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:30

It may be constructive if the Andrew Tate wanabees on here could remove their misogynistic goggles and actually read my post.

I said that it would be nice if a man offered to pay for a date. I didn't state whether or not I would accept.

I'm sure that they would also find it nice if a woman offered to pay.

In the real world, I always offer to pay half.

Oh - and incidentally, I am perfectly aware that there are plenty of individual cases where women outearn men. But I am referring to the situation on a population level.

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HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:32

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 19:23

Yes. I go to a barber and he does a lovely bob for me. Back to the 50's with you.

Yes. You go to a barber because you're a man

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AnotherNaCha · 06/08/2024 20:20

Um is it weird that we split on our first dinner and the second time I paid and said he could pick up the next one? He bought all drinks after…. I feel torn between it being a nice thing to do that throws outdated gender norms out the window vs maybe he saw it as a desperate attempt to get him to like me? Wish we’d just split now

SamW98 · 06/08/2024 20:35

I don’t do dinner dates early on. I can’t think of anything worse than being sat opposite a relative stranger with food interrupting the flow of conversation and if you’re not feeling it you’re stuck for a course or two.

Prefer a couple of drinks. My experience seems to be the man always offers the first drink - only time he didn’t was suited and booted twat I posted about earlier. I’ll always offer the next drink - most men say no they’ll get it but I insist. I don’t think it’s right to send him back up the bar when he got the first one tbh.

I’ve only had one dinner date since being single again and he paid the whole bill then told me it was his company credit card and he would claim it back on expenses which he seemed to think was hilarious 🤷‍♀️

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 20:42

HazelSchmazel · 06/08/2024 19:32

Yes. You go to a barber because you're a man

OMG!!!! You really are a very strange person!

NonsuchCastle · 06/08/2024 20:46

SamW98 · 06/08/2024 20:35

I don’t do dinner dates early on. I can’t think of anything worse than being sat opposite a relative stranger with food interrupting the flow of conversation and if you’re not feeling it you’re stuck for a course or two.

Prefer a couple of drinks. My experience seems to be the man always offers the first drink - only time he didn’t was suited and booted twat I posted about earlier. I’ll always offer the next drink - most men say no they’ll get it but I insist. I don’t think it’s right to send him back up the bar when he got the first one tbh.

I’ve only had one dinner date since being single again and he paid the whole bill then told me it was his company credit card and he would claim it back on expenses which he seemed to think was hilarious 🤷‍♀️

I agree. When I did do "dating" (long time ago before I got married) I much preferred doing lunch. I would always do 50/50 unless it seemed to mean a lot to the chap to pay in which case I would let him but never take it for granted and I would pay the next time.