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I've ruined my life by having a family

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Thirtylifecrisis · 02/08/2024 22:50

Just as the title says really.

I have 2 DC and a dp. Love my DC sooo frigging much.

Before settling down I had my own small house (2 up, 2 down) and a professional job.
I dated like a hobby and waltzed around seeing friends, going on lots of holidays and daydreaming.
If a relationship went south I had no issues in ending them, deleting them and moving on. As I was on my own all through my twenties I had friends of all ages for adventures. A close friend in her sixties to go to Rome with. Other women in their twenties to go bar hoping with. Colleagues in their forties to go wine tasting with
Life was full of options and opportunities. If things didn't work out I could always book a holiday, change jobs, migrate abroad, join the circus or whatever. So much freedom.

I spent a decade living like this.
I always wanted a family. I wanted to meet a steady and stable man who was financially solvent with no children so we could marry, combine assets and have children with.

I met DP during my dating sprees. He sold me a dream that wasn't quite reality. He was steady and stable but not financially solvent. He hid debt from me and I didn't know until he moved in. Sex life was and is horrendous! Erectile dysfunction.
He then lost his job and I was about to kick him out but lockdown struck. Fucking lockdown. Sent me a bit crazy tbh. My dad died during lockdown. I nurses him for 4 weeks whilst he died from pancreatic cancer slowly Infront of me. Trauma.

DP was excellent during this time. Really a rock. Suddenly the finances didn't matter.
We were in this bubble together. Living together with no one else. It was like life would always remain like this in lockdown. With the absence of real life and just me and him, all flaws in the real world became irrelevant to our temporary lives. His debts didn't impact. We weren't exactly going anywhere. He got a new job and paid his share of bills. The fact we had nothing in common didn't matter either. For that time we had everything in common. All we had was eachother and netflix.

I then became pregnant. A baby to add to our bubble.
Then lockdown properly ended and the real world resumed. But it was different. We emerged from lockdown with me heavily pregnant and with a man I actually had little in common with and would never have chosen as a life partner.

Then everything happened so quickly. I bought us a bigger house for our new family. We had our baby.
DP got an IVA for his debts. We got a dog. I came off maternity leave and got pregnant again (whilst DP tried out Viagra). We were then juggling decorating a new house with 2 babies and a dog.

I am not the passenger in my own life but my god. It's like I just woke up one day with a partner, 2 kids and a dog. It feels like this happened in a blink of an eye, before I could even think through wtf I was doing. I feel like I've been asleep for the past 5 years and living on auto pilot.

DP has been a fantastic father. He really has. He is in his own words 'living the dream'. This is all he's ever wanted. He's 50/50 in child rearing and the mental load. He probably does more housework than me if I'm honest. He does the weekly food shop with the toddler in tow every week. He spends his weekends taking the toddler swimming, mowing the lawn, running errands and cooking family roast dinners. He brings me a coffee in bed Saturday mornings whilst I have a lie in with the baby and then heads off with the toddler for the morning of swimming, shopping errands. He'll then come back for us to do something as a family. He'll have the kids whilst I go out with friends no questions asked.

But we have nothing in common. Literally nothing. We don't laugh. We don't cuddle. We don't have sex. We have different sense of humour. There is little there.
Our commonality is shared family values but that's as far as it goes.

We did couples counselling when I was pregnancy with number 2 as I was unhappy with our relationship. It didn't do anything. There is no spark.

Now I feel trapped and I'm suffocating. We have two little ones. The baby is 6 months old. They are as attached to their dad as they are to me.

I adore them. I really do. But this is not the life I had envisaged for when I have a family. I spent my twenties having fun and really building a solid foundation to NOT be in this position when I eventually settled.

I am living a life I did not want or plan. Anything I do now is not the life I've wanted. It's the opposite.

I did not want to be a single parent but I knew life could happen. That's why I wanted a man also financially solvent. So if this shit hits the fan no one is dependent on the other and the kids would be provided for. If I end it with DP he's homeless. Nowhere to go. He has an IVA and countless other shit.
I then face a life of financial hardship as I'd have to pay for the house and kids and DP maintenance would be minimal due to his financial issues. So I'd have 18 years of juggling the books and raising 2 kids.

If I stay then I have decades of shit sex with someone I have literally nothing in common with.

If it weren't for lockdown this relationship would have ended. He'd have been a brief relationship from the past id barely remembered. I'd have continued to waltz around in my mini cooper visiting friends, holidaying in the sunny destinations and having hot dates with various men.

Now I'm looking at a lifetime of single parenthood or settling for an unsatisfactory relationship.

I can't waltz off this time. I have two tiny people who depend on me to make the right choices for them. But what is it?

This was very long winded but so cathartic to write. So thank you for anyone who's read this.

OP posts:
RoachFish · 04/08/2024 11:36

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 10:42

Yes but she won’t have her children. Look if you think giving up 50% of your time with your kids to go and chase some dick is a great life choice I really don’t know what to tell you.

What makes you say OP will be going out chasing dick? She seems to be missing time being free to see friends, going out to restaurants/bars, travelling etc. Not all women who leave marriages in favour of freedom does it to chase dick. I certainly didn’t. It’s just an unexpected bonus if it happens.

Twiglets1 · 04/08/2024 11:44

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 11:36

What makes you say OP will be going out chasing dick? She seems to be missing time being free to see friends, going out to restaurants/bars, travelling etc. Not all women who leave marriages in favour of freedom does it to chase dick. I certainly didn’t. It’s just an unexpected bonus if it happens.

Yes I agree. That comment by @TheAlchemy was unnecessarily harsh.

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 11:58

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 11:36

What makes you say OP will be going out chasing dick? She seems to be missing time being free to see friends, going out to restaurants/bars, travelling etc. Not all women who leave marriages in favour of freedom does it to chase dick. I certainly didn’t. It’s just an unexpected bonus if it happens.

She was out with her friends last night so she’s not missing out on that at all. You can do all of these things with a partner and kids.

Dressinggowntime · 04/08/2024 11:59

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 11:36

What makes you say OP will be going out chasing dick? She seems to be missing time being free to see friends, going out to restaurants/bars, travelling etc. Not all women who leave marriages in favour of freedom does it to chase dick. I certainly didn’t. It’s just an unexpected bonus if it happens.

She does sound preoccupied with sex so it’s not that much of a leap. Attempting to have a sex life as a single mum is a tricky business. There’s no guarantee the husband will have the kids 50/50 or even at all. He could very well just go and have a second family. Many men do. She could very well end up alone with very little help and two small children. Even with help as I said before a lot of men won’t be interested in a woman with two kids. You’d be looking at divorced men with kids themselves and most of them aren’t catches and blending families can be a nightmare in itself

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 12:26

Dressinggowntime · 04/08/2024 11:59

She does sound preoccupied with sex so it’s not that much of a leap. Attempting to have a sex life as a single mum is a tricky business. There’s no guarantee the husband will have the kids 50/50 or even at all. He could very well just go and have a second family. Many men do. She could very well end up alone with very little help and two small children. Even with help as I said before a lot of men won’t be interested in a woman with two kids. You’d be looking at divorced men with kids themselves and most of them aren’t catches and blending families can be a nightmare in itself

She is not preoccupied with sex. She is in a relationship with a man with ED, when sex is an issue in a relationship it’s a big thing and that’s why it’s been brought up. She misses having someone she has a connection with and is compatible with. Living with someone you are not compatible with is a lot harder than being on her own. If she leaves she has at least a shot of meeting someone who she can connect with and she will hopefully have some completely child free time to do more of the fun things she used to do with her friends. Being allowed out to dinner with friends isn’t the same as you still come home and switch to mum mode and you still have to get up the next morning etc. Wanting that isn’t “chasing dick”, it’s wanting more from life.

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 12:31

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 12:26

She is not preoccupied with sex. She is in a relationship with a man with ED, when sex is an issue in a relationship it’s a big thing and that’s why it’s been brought up. She misses having someone she has a connection with and is compatible with. Living with someone you are not compatible with is a lot harder than being on her own. If she leaves she has at least a shot of meeting someone who she can connect with and she will hopefully have some completely child free time to do more of the fun things she used to do with her friends. Being allowed out to dinner with friends isn’t the same as you still come home and switch to mum mode and you still have to get up the next morning etc. Wanting that isn’t “chasing dick”, it’s wanting more from life.

Okay so why don’t we all just leave our partners and give up 50% of time with our kids so we can have “more from life.” It’s just ridiculous, if you have kids you have responsibilities.

I have kids the same age as OPs incl a 6mo baby and when I decided to have them I accepted that my time for all of these things was not right now. You have kids knowing these things.

It blows my mind that in this situation anyone thinks the best thing to do is say sorry kids and DP but I want more from life. So you’re going to be seeing a whole lot less of me because I want to go out and you kids are just going to have to live with the consequences of that.

RoachFish · 04/08/2024 12:42

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 12:31

Okay so why don’t we all just leave our partners and give up 50% of time with our kids so we can have “more from life.” It’s just ridiculous, if you have kids you have responsibilities.

I have kids the same age as OPs incl a 6mo baby and when I decided to have them I accepted that my time for all of these things was not right now. You have kids knowing these things.

It blows my mind that in this situation anyone thinks the best thing to do is say sorry kids and DP but I want more from life. So you’re going to be seeing a whole lot less of me because I want to go out and you kids are just going to have to live with the consequences of that.

Edited

Well you don’t have to do that if you and your partner are compatible and happy obviously. OPs partner lied to her and said he was financially solvent when he was in huge debt meaning the financial pressure is on OP and he can’t perform sexually. A lot of people wouldn’t be OK with this. OP made a mistake having kids with him but she shouldn’t have to spend the rest of her life with him just because of that. It’s better to leave when the kids are small as well. Parents not being together will just be normal for them.

Thirtylifecrisis · 04/08/2024 12:52

Okay I've read the replies.

I think I've come to a realistic and pragmatic conclusion.

I need to stop the navel gazing. It's doing me no favours.
I need to stick this shit out. It may not be forever but until at least 2026.

Meanwhile I need to try and put everything I can into trying to make this work. No more reminiscing about the past and what could've been. I need to look forward.

If I ever leave further down the line I need to do it in the full knowledge that things won't necessarily be better, in fact it would likely be harder. The twenties are gone and the freedom isn't ever coming back. The children's quality of life wouldn't be better by me leaving. They would be away from their mother or their father half the time with less resources and what for? So I can shag about? No other man is going to love them like we do and blended families don't really benefit them. I need to put them first.

I'm going to do monthly date nights with DP without the babies.

I'll invest in a good vibrator or something whilst DP continues to work on himself I guess.

I need to go to therapy to work though this resentment I have of both DP (debt lies) and myself (for accepting).

But ultimately I need to swallow this for the sake of my children. A good mother and a great childhood doesn't come from self centered loathing. I don't mean to be a martyr or play the victim here but I need to sacrifice my desires for them. Because my desires don't center them and don't actually benefit anyone.i don't even think their realistic. I've built up a fantasy life in my head of what could've been if I hadn't made these choices. But it's likely just that, a fantasy. Even if not a fantasy I'll never know now so why even waste time going back to it.

I have made my bed and I have to lie in it now. But the bed could've been much worse I suppose. Despite my selfishness I did choose a great father for my kids. So it's my job now to at least try everything to make this work.

Thank you all.

OP posts:
pubertyalloveragain · 04/08/2024 12:55

I haven't read the whole thread. I don't need to, I wrote it about 5 years ago. Exactly the same issues and circumstances. Same previous life, same marriage, same problems, 2 kids, a little older now. I have learned so much about myself and life in the last five years and you will to. I will think about a response and write later.

One things I will say is, your downfall will be your referring to your previous life. Life is full of different stages (granted the young free and single part is actually quite long and getting younger and we all settle down later). But stand back and look at the expanse of your lifetime, it is imbalanced to refer to this one period of your life as being the way.

I have so much to say but want to think about what I write.ni know exactly where you are at, ai am living it, just 5 years ahead.

Don't let this fester, be disciplined in how you entertain your thoughts about this part of your life. Otherwise it can reek havoc.

pubertyalloveragain · 04/08/2024 12:59

Thirtylifecrisis · 04/08/2024 12:52

Okay I've read the replies.

I think I've come to a realistic and pragmatic conclusion.

I need to stop the navel gazing. It's doing me no favours.
I need to stick this shit out. It may not be forever but until at least 2026.

Meanwhile I need to try and put everything I can into trying to make this work. No more reminiscing about the past and what could've been. I need to look forward.

If I ever leave further down the line I need to do it in the full knowledge that things won't necessarily be better, in fact it would likely be harder. The twenties are gone and the freedom isn't ever coming back. The children's quality of life wouldn't be better by me leaving. They would be away from their mother or their father half the time with less resources and what for? So I can shag about? No other man is going to love them like we do and blended families don't really benefit them. I need to put them first.

I'm going to do monthly date nights with DP without the babies.

I'll invest in a good vibrator or something whilst DP continues to work on himself I guess.

I need to go to therapy to work though this resentment I have of both DP (debt lies) and myself (for accepting).

But ultimately I need to swallow this for the sake of my children. A good mother and a great childhood doesn't come from self centered loathing. I don't mean to be a martyr or play the victim here but I need to sacrifice my desires for them. Because my desires don't center them and don't actually benefit anyone.i don't even think their realistic. I've built up a fantasy life in my head of what could've been if I hadn't made these choices. But it's likely just that, a fantasy. Even if not a fantasy I'll never know now so why even waste time going back to it.

I have made my bed and I have to lie in it now. But the bed could've been much worse I suppose. Despite my selfishness I did choose a great father for my kids. So it's my job now to at least try everything to make this work.

Thank you all.

I have just read this.

I would congratulate yourself on coming to this conclusion. It is exactly the right and mature one, the only one. Your not a martyr, it is a choice and I really think you are making the right choice.

Don't entertain it much anymore, have some sort of strategy to deal with these thoughts as they arise.

Thirtylifecrisis · 04/08/2024 12:59

@pubertyalloveragain thank you for your response. I'd be interested to hear your story.

OP posts:
pubertyalloveragain · 04/08/2024 13:02

Thirtylifecrisis · 04/08/2024 12:59

@pubertyalloveragain thank you for your response. I'd be interested to hear your story.

I'll write later. I think I could write a book :)

Seriously you seem extremely together, don't see it as some sort of sacrifice. It just is what it it. Nothing turns out perfectly that is so clear to me in my mind forties looking around all everyone I know. God I sound like Instagram :)

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 13:02

Good luck OP you sound like a great mum x

sadabouti · 04/08/2024 13:03

Read your update. All good but do not merge your finances by marrying this man. At least not until you are a good few years beyond all these problems. He may well leave you in time and take half of your house and pension with him, after you subsidised him through his debt problem. If you suddenly find love, and decided to marry, get a good pre nup in place.

eggplant16 · 04/08/2024 13:51

SunflowerTed · 04/08/2024 04:20

I mean this in the kindest way - you need to grow up and get into the real world. You sound like a great mother and while your kids are so little you need to focus on them and try and quiet your discontentment. Your old life is gone because of the choices you made. I’m not an advocate for sticking in a shit relationship but you have to try and commit to this life for now as it’s not all about you anymore.

I agree. I'm an old fuddy duddy but some of this is beyond me. OP is no longer a carefree party animal.
Responsibilities are boring sometimes.

LuckySantangelo35 · 04/08/2024 14:28

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 10:42

Yes but she won’t have her children. Look if you think giving up 50% of your time with your kids to go and chase some dick is a great life choice I really don’t know what to tell you.

@TheAlchemy

lol who says she would use the time away from her kids to chase dick? She might use it for her hobbies. Either way it’s her time and no one would be judging a man in the same way for how he spends his time when he doesn’t have his kids with him.

Opentooffers · 04/08/2024 14:43

I think you've drawn a sensible conclusion for now. It's great that he is a good father. You do have to take responsibility for the choices you made "whoops! 2 accidental children magically arrived" doesn't really garner much sympathy and you did that despite knowing about the debt and the ED.
Meantime, don't make any plans to marry, keep hold of your assets as you will need them if you split in the future and sort out your contraception in case he sorts the ED and you end up being intimate again.

lolit · 04/08/2024 14:59

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 12:31

Okay so why don’t we all just leave our partners and give up 50% of time with our kids so we can have “more from life.” It’s just ridiculous, if you have kids you have responsibilities.

I have kids the same age as OPs incl a 6mo baby and when I decided to have them I accepted that my time for all of these things was not right now. You have kids knowing these things.

It blows my mind that in this situation anyone thinks the best thing to do is say sorry kids and DP but I want more from life. So you’re going to be seeing a whole lot less of me because I want to go out and you kids are just going to have to live with the consequences of that.

Edited

Men do that all the time and no one bats an eye. In fact if they spent 50% time with their kids they are considered amazing dads

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 15:37

lolit · 04/08/2024 14:59

Men do that all the time and no one bats an eye. In fact if they spent 50% time with their kids they are considered amazing dads

nobody bats an eye lid? How many threads are there on this website talking about men like this calling them every name under the sun (quite rightly). I don’t think nobody bats an eye lid.

salem4cuddles · 04/08/2024 16:10

I'm not convinced he is a great guy, he should never hidden the debt from you, how the hell did he get into such a mess?

All the things you say he is good at are things you could pay someone o do, gardening, nanny, cleaner

Does he make you feel good. Does he touch you? Does he show you affection, make you laugh?

You do know there are husbands you can have fun with, get drunk with, have sex with and they will still get up in the morning for the baby?

salem4cuddles · 04/08/2024 16:10

Cheating is never the answer

dreadfulwitch · 04/08/2024 16:23

There are many posts saying that the bar is set low if it is a case of value this man as he does his share of domestic and childcare stuff, but without such a man, the alternative is do the domestic and childcare shit all yourself and then you really do lose all your life and time, no matter how much you love your DC.

I arrived at this conclusion. That is why no drastic change has been made (yet).

lolit · 04/08/2024 16:26

TheAlchemy · 04/08/2024 15:37

nobody bats an eye lid? How many threads are there on this website talking about men like this calling them every name under the sun (quite rightly). I don’t think nobody bats an eye lid.

Edited

I have literally never seen any, it's completely normalised

Hothotdamage · 04/08/2024 16:58

Can't have been on here long

SwordToFlamethrower · 04/08/2024 17:02

Leave and let your ex be the default parent with you doing every other weekend. Men do that all the time