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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 12

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Daftasabroom · 17/07/2024 18:05

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

It's complicated and it's emotional.

The old thread is here.

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New thread. This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. It is a support thr...

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BustyLaRoux · 29/08/2024 21:52

Oh god it’s so wonderful to be seen! But also so maddening that other people are having to go through this as well.

@Daftasabroom the purchase of the fairly cheap workable phone which has the features you need. Normal healthy relationship: oh good,
we have what we need and it didn’t cost a lot
vs. ASD partner: you only bought this to undermine ME!!!!! (I’m sorry I’m not in a very charitable frame of mind right now. I do understand that not all ASD partners are like this of course). Four days of stewing over this is obviously ridiculous. I feel your pain 100%!!

@MetooOP sometimes I think we are married to twins! Mine doesn’t want a solution. He wants what he wants. His needs trump mine or anyone else’s. So silence in the busiest room in the house is perfectly reasonable simply because it’s what he needs. Ergo it is reasonable. Sometimes I think the thought process goes like this: I need, therefore it needs to be done. And not, as other people might think: I need, therefore we will all need to balance the conflicting needs of everyone in this scenario.

@Bunnyhair i have a theory about a certain type of ASD. My dad is the same. They actually like being around people. They like the fact people are immediately there for when they want to read out things or engage in a conversation. I don’t know about your DH, but I’ve noticed with both my DP and my dad that they like to plant themselves in the middle of everyone else. They like feeling like they’re part of the family. Which I understand. But do it in entirely inappropriate ways. So my dad will bodily place himself in between two people who are in conversation. Just sort of insert himself into their talking space. So they can’t see each other. And then let out a huge sigh to prevent them from hearing each other. And then when they stop talking in abject amazement at what he just did, will just start talking about himself. He loves being in the middle of people, he wants so desperately the human connection. But he doesn’t know how to go about it.

DP I think wants to be in the central busy part of the house so he can be in the thick of it, but at the same time he only wants it on his terms. He wants the opportunity to engage when people come into the room as he gets lonely. But he doesn’t want the noise. So they need to do things his way and be quiet. Unless he wants to engage them. Which he will do at will. Usually when work is quiet and he’s a bit bored. Alternatively he will just walk into my office and start talking at me, even though I’m deep in a spreadsheet and obviously very busy. He can’t read that situation so will just keep talking until I respond. If I say, I’m a bit busy, he will huff and walk off.

Everything according to his needs at his time of choosing. Anything else is people oppressing him.

How did I end up here?! Sad sigh….

BustyLaRoux · 29/08/2024 21:56

PollyTwoBlankets · 29/08/2024 20:40

I definitely recognise the working from home in the middle of family life scenario. DH used to set himself up in the kitchen after filling his office with crap, and conduct all his calls at the top of his lungs.

I sorted out the only extra bedroom as another office for him at great time and expense... and he now works from our bed room instead. So I can't change the bed during the day or sort my wardrobe or even just enter the room without him ostentatiously arm waving or looking panicked.

If I remind him that he has two offices, he says I'm just being nasty, it doesn't hurt me him being in there, I'm always criticising, blah blah blah.

This!!!!! Yes this.

PollyTwoBlankets · 29/08/2024 22:03

Mine is just like that. He likes people, he likes the distraction of family life, he loves to be the centre of everyone's focus, as long as he has the decompression time that he needs as well.

He will literally put himself between the telly and whoever is watching so you have to look at him. Thank heavens for the ability to pause live tv now Grin

One of the reasons he loves work so much is that he's the boss and everyone has to listen Wink

BustyLaRoux · 29/08/2024 22:31

PollyTwoBlankets · 29/08/2024 22:03

Mine is just like that. He likes people, he likes the distraction of family life, he loves to be the centre of everyone's focus, as long as he has the decompression time that he needs as well.

He will literally put himself between the telly and whoever is watching so you have to look at him. Thank heavens for the ability to pause live tv now Grin

One of the reasons he loves work so much is that he's the boss and everyone has to listen Wink

Yes. Yes. Yes!

Me. Now. Me. Now!!!!

It is like having a toddler. I often think my DP has the emotional capacity of a toddler. If I think about how a toddler would behave in such and such situation… they would have an emotional meltdown if things were not EXACTLY to their liking. They would have zero empathy for my feelings. They would assume they were at the centre of the world. Emotionally they have about four settings. So sadness, shut down, happy and rage. Everyone else is just seen as facilitators. Entertainment. Boredom relief. Life organiser. I am just a service human and not much more…

BustyLaRoux · 30/08/2024 08:49

Hope you’re doing ok today @LittleSwede xx

Veryverycalmnow · 30/08/2024 09:47

My DH is mid- assessment for Autism. Our DS has a diagnosis of Autism. Thanks for the thread. I am already feeling better that I'm not alone. DH doesn't like seeing people much any more (I think he used to force himself to socialise and now has decided he is better off without a social life). We have some couple friends with kids and it has become a bit awkward now as DH keeps being 'busy' or not joining us for things.
He keeps saying how much he misses covid/lockdown like it was this golden era for him.
Thanks again for this much- needed thread.

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSea · 30/08/2024 11:26

Sending love to everyone xxx

BustyLaRoux · 30/08/2024 13:15

And he hasn’t spoken a word to me since 9am yesterday. Slept in a separate bed last night (which I am very happy about!) and isn’t speaking to me today. Literally passes me in the hall in silence. And all because I had the audacity to purse my lips when he angrily told me to stop making noise in the kitchen and then said “well this is a kitchen” when he angrily told me he was working here!! That’s it. That is all it takes for him to be this angry. Me to look mildly irritated and respond to point out he isn’t being reasonable. I want to scream at him that he the most self centred unreasonable person I’ve ever met. That I have never met such a hypocrite in my life. That he constantly looks annoyed, acts annoyed, criticises me and tells me off and yet he thinks if so much as a fleeting look of irritation should pass over my features then he is perfectly justified in shouting at me, storming off, giving me the cold shoulder. How it is so so unfair that he gets to be this awful and angry all the time and yet I mustn’t even look irritated. I mustn’t ever point out that he’s being unfair. Not ever.

I wonder how he justifies this to himself? I wonder what heinous crime he thinks has been committed by me? I wonder about the internal dialogue which must be taking place? What does it sound like…. How does one turn their angry unreasonable position (which is so so clear to anyone else) into them being wronged and how does he manage to internally defend the indefensible?

I shouldn’t waste my time thinking about these things. He packing to go away this weekend. He hasn’t mentioned a trip and I wonder if he will say goodbye even. I’m so sad that I’m stuck with this horrid man. How can I have chosen someone who is so obviously awful? My SIL was with me yesterday and she said she doesn’t know how I do it. Doesn’t know how I don’t burst. Neither do I. I feel ready to burst today 😩

Daftasabroom · 30/08/2024 13:31

@BustyLaRoux don't burst. I'm sure he'd be very upset by the mess.

OP posts:
BustyLaRoux · 30/08/2024 13:34

Daftasabroom · 30/08/2024 13:31

@BustyLaRoux don't burst. I'm sure he'd be very upset by the mess.

Yes he’d only take my bursting as criticism of him and be ANGRY!! 😂

LittleSwede · 30/08/2024 15:33

BustyLaRoux · 30/08/2024 08:49

Hope you’re doing ok today @LittleSwede xx

Thank you, taking it one hour and day at the time. So many emotions, we've both had a few good cries.

Sounds like rhings are tough for you, sending hug x

PollyTwoBlankets · 30/08/2024 21:01

Good luck @LittleSwede. You must be full of emotion right now. Be kind to yourself Flowers

LoveFoolMe · 01/09/2024 10:58

How's everyone today?

BustyLaRoux · 01/09/2024 14:27

DP has been away all weekend so it’s been nice and tidy and stress free!!!

Having ignored me for 2 days for suggesting working in the kitchen and expecting everyone to be quiet wasn’t especially reasonable, he then kissed me goodbye as he drove away acting as if nothing had happened. 🤷‍♀️

How are you @LoveFoolMe ? How is everyone else? Xx

CinnamonTart · 01/09/2024 21:43

I don’t know where to start. Yet another holiday ruined with his moods, being reactive over things that no-one else would react to (will give eg below) and being generally angry.

He was going to BBQ prawns. DD doesn’t really enjoy prawns, she finds them very bland and for years has avoided them if ever we’ve eaten out. He knows this. So he says he’s BBQ’ing prawns and she quietly asks me if there’s any dipping sauce or something as she finds prawns a bit tasteless. I make some garlic butter. Everyone loves his prawns. But all through the meal he asks how she’s coping with the tasteless prawns (he clearly overheard) which confuses her.

The next day she twigs what all his comments were about over dinner and challenges him and says he should just say if he has a problem at the time. They end up screaming at each other as he loses his shit and she (rightly loses hers). Her younger brother starts crying and all 3 kids are with me in the kitchen in a state while he goes outside to ‘allow us to discuss him’.

Another holiday ruined. He won’t learn - he just sees her as being out of order.

CinnamonTart · 01/09/2024 21:51

If he can have mayo with salad as it’s boring without a dressing ...

LittleSwede · 02/09/2024 07:08

@CinnamonTart t That sounds so hard and it's sad that your DD doesn't feel that she can ask for something to go with the prawns (or even another dish to be BBQd at the same time?!) without this offending your DH. It sounds a bit like walking on eggshells? Which is exhausting, having done it myself fir so long. How old are the DC?

A weekend if peace and quiet sounds great @BustyLaRoux !! Typical that they just leave as if nothing happened!

I tried to type something up yesterday @LoveFoolMe But couldn't bring myself to do it so I'll type one up in a bit instead.

Hugs to everyone xx

BustyLaRoux · 02/09/2024 07:23

@CinnamonTart i can see your DD has just foreseen him kicking off so decided to pre empt it by quietly speaking to you to see about a sauce. Why DH couldn’t have just let that go….. and why he can’t think about potential reasons she went to you instead of speaking to him. Obviously she was trying not to make a fuss and to be polite. How sad that he decided to make a thing of it. I’m sorry your holiday has been punctuated with angry outbursts like this one. Xx

LittleSwede · 02/09/2024 07:25

Quite wobbly yesterday, having felt slightly more 'stable' on Saturday. H had moved from being quiet, subdued and not really talking much about 'it', just tears and hugs and very calm.

Yesterday he began to try and get me to change my mind, which is part of the process I guess, and it was very hard to not get dragged into it a bit. I managed not to 'go back' but maybe gave him too much space to talk and to make him feel better I hugged him and probably gave hime hope by agreeing that we do enjoy each other's company etc. Apparently he would be ok with separate rooms and no physical intimacy, as long as he can still have 'me'. I suspect it's me as his emotional support person he actually means.

I just can't do that, I can be his friend and do co-parenting but I do not want to be his wife or be married to him. Not to mention that up until recently he was groping me and grabbing intimate areas without my consent which contradict what he is now suddenly suggesting (that no sex is ok). Peri has actually made me more interested in that side of things (hormones!) but not with him, which I can't say as probably too hurtful!

So a bad night here but I know I am doing the right thing. I may suggest he gets some counselling ir something to talk this through as well as maybe tell a friend. He's now bringing up the only just moving on from the loss if his dad and the house sale/probate and now he has this to deal with. I do feel sorry for him as he has lost so much of his immediate family and I was his everything but I can't do this.

Moving into spare room isn't quite happening yet as he started preparing an area in the office for my stuff and I think the downstairs guest room (junk room really) would be better, which he did not agree with! Will give it a little longer before approaching that again. Am sleeping in DDs room now anyway.

LittleSwede · 02/09/2024 08:51

H also used two of my weaknesses/fears as part of his argument to win me back which made me scared yesterday but now I'm just angry. He keeps saying he worries about my health and as a health anxious person this sort of sends me spiralling and of course more insecure about being a single parent soon. I'm slightly overweight (not obese) but mostly eat well although have a tendency to comfort eat junk at times and also have maybe half a bottle of wine almost every day (which is bad but I don't think I'll 'need' it now when I'm nearly free). I actually think a lot of my weight issues and comfort eating is linked to living with H and will be less of an issue soon. The stress affects my immune system and I do get more ill from colds than other people but again I think a healthier lifestyle will help with this. Starting an alcohol free autumn today and a gradual move to low carb as that usually helps me with IBS as well as sluggishness.

ThischarmingHam · 02/09/2024 08:56

Flowers Littleswede

LittleSwede · 02/09/2024 08:58

The other weakness hinted at is that my past abusive marriage is making me project onto H, as if he is not abusive (which he is when not regulated, just not as bad as first husband) and how he's supported me through my divorce, queue guilt trip for me!

MySocksAreDotty · 02/09/2024 09:20

You’re doing so well Littleswede, don’t stop now. Cheering you on! 💐

Rainbow03 · 02/09/2024 09:27

@LittleSwede it sounds so emotionally difficult. Unfortunately the lack of empathy on their part will have them saying absolutely anything. You’ve got to find a way to switch it all off. It’s really difficult. Despite all the things my ex did to me I hated to see him so distraught. Hang fire though because often after the guilt trip doesn’t work they can get incredibly nasty. In my case anyway, then the “real” man came out. We were intending to remain in the house together until we had a plan figured out but I ended up having to abruptly leave as the nastiness increased and I couldn’t cope with our young child living in it. It’s a massive mind f**k!!!

LittleSwede · 02/09/2024 09:33

Rainbow03 · 02/09/2024 09:27

@LittleSwede it sounds so emotionally difficult. Unfortunately the lack of empathy on their part will have them saying absolutely anything. You’ve got to find a way to switch it all off. It’s really difficult. Despite all the things my ex did to me I hated to see him so distraught. Hang fire though because often after the guilt trip doesn’t work they can get incredibly nasty. In my case anyway, then the “real” man came out. We were intending to remain in the house together until we had a plan figured out but I ended up having to abruptly leave as the nastiness increased and I couldn’t cope with our young child living in it. It’s a massive mind f**k!!!

I was actually thinking this last night, that once he realises he can't win me back he'll turn unpleasant. I am 100% prepared to take DD to the nearest Premier Inn if he turns nasty and then contact council for accommodation. In fact I am going to try to find out about benefits and options this week as need to support myself somehow!

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