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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 12

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Daftasabroom · 17/07/2024 18:05

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

It's complicated and it's emotional.

The old thread is here.

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OP posts:
nl55 · 27/08/2024 23:10

LittleSwede · 27/08/2024 12:09

Thank you for all the support ❤️ I've given myself a deadline of Friday and if I can't get the words out I've written a letter.

So sorry about all this- I have been there! had the talk , multiple times, (it didn't sink in) so followed up with a couple of letters (also still didn't sink in) then followed up with a divorce filing (sunk in) Not trying to discourage you at all, just want you to be prepared as best as you can. Sending you strength 🌷

Flittingaboutagain · 28/08/2024 07:56

MetooOP I am also sorry. My husband has had some parenting sessions but his default when dysregulated is attack to defend. The key is spotting the build up which he rarely does but is trying.

How old are your children? Old enough to say they don't want contact soon?

MetooOP · 28/08/2024 09:23

Thanks everyone. It is really, really hard. It was easier when he had a job as he was just here less. I was probably stupid for thinking he could manage them in the hols. In retrospect he was never going to be able to do this. The organisation required, the parenting skills, the empathy and attunement skills, the emotional regulation required - all beyond him. I probably set him up to fail by allocating him responsibility for his own kids three days a week. ( I had them the other two weekdays).

The kids do love him though. The youngest makes more negative statements about his Dad. For example he asked me to take him to the library, and when I said I was working today and Daddy could take him he said, ‘oh I won’t go then’ when I asked why he didn’t want to go with Dadddy, his reply was ‘Daddy shouts’. These are fairly frequent comments about not wanting to be alone with Daddy as ‘Daddy shouts’. If I report that to H, that is me being ‘horrible’. However he has also made comments about loving his Daddy and Daddy being great.

The eldest has interests he shares with his Dad and seeks his Dad out to talk about these. These shared interests are how they bond.

Neither would want their Dad absent from their lives.

My H’s inability to shift focus from himself to others is utterly startling. I was trying to explain to him the impact living like this is having on eldest, using eldest’s own words. I summed up by saying ‘he’s really, really sad’. He’s response was an angry, ‘I’m the one who’s sad’. He wasn’t meaning he’s sad for his son. H was saying he’s sad about his own life. Other Father’s would have been broken to hear a report of words of such unhappiness from their child. That would have been their wake up call to commit to change. For my H, it’s just a cue to shift attention to himself. He never, ever has that wake up moment. Never. Ever.

The tragic thing is, he really wants to be a good father and husband. The even more tragic thing is he believes he already is. My manifest unhappiness is never evidence to the contrary, it’s just a sign I am a horrible wife. The shouting and anger in the house is never evidence he needs to do better as a father, it’s the kids’ fault, and mine.

I envy wives whose husbands work away. I wish he would get a job like that. He never would though as, ironically, he says family is too important to him and it’s important we are all together. No insight whatsoever.

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 28/08/2024 12:20

@MetooOP Really sorry you're having a rubbish time of it. I can relate to the dh who can only see things from his perspective, cannot see that someone else may not have his views. Doesn't see his children as independent thinkers. He was better when they were young, but the more they grew the less he connected. He has absolutely no clue who they are now. For me, that is the saddest part of all this. I'm 'lucky' that he is not shouty, the complete opposite actually, he is so passive that even having a different option causes him to literally, get up and walk away. Me and the kids can have lively discussions about a lot of things, the second someone introduces an opposing argument, he will leave, literally walk away.
The only conciliation is that he does work away, which I am so grateful for.
Reading a lot of other posts on here, the constant daily BS, makes me realise how fortunate my situation is.

LittleSwede · 28/08/2024 12:21

@MetooOP it all sounds really tough, sending you a big hug. Like so many others I do understand that it's not so easy to leave when you have fear of what will happed to DC when you are not with them at the back of your mind. At some point it might seem like the only option though x

working4ever · 28/08/2024 14:28

@MetooOP I did write more but realised it may be too outing as circumstances far too similar.

Hopefully you will receive the support you and your DC need and it won't escalate. Best wishes to you Flowers

Daftasabroom · 28/08/2024 14:29

@MetooOP I feel for you, I really do. Feeling trapped magnifies an already difficult situation.

In the longer term is there any way you could "sell" the idea of less contact between him and DCs as easier and less stressful for him more than anyone else?

OP posts:
MetooOP · 28/08/2024 15:21

Thanks again everyone. Hopefully things will cool down more once the kids are back in school, but really need him out of the house more. I’m dreading him getting a wfh job, which is looking likelier than any other job now. I miss my nice evening meal time with the kids!

@Ohdostopwafflinggeremy i’d love it if he just walked away! As it is, if I walk away he’ll follow. If I tell him I am disengaging and he needs to stop talking now he’ll just carry on and on. He just can’t tell when he has pushed someone too far. It’s one of the reasons things escalate so quickly with him and the kids. You’d think someone so prone to disregulatiin themselves, would spot the signs of it in others, but no! But then, he doesn’t even recognize it as disregulation in himself as he thinks it’s justified and caused by the other person. 🙄

LittleSwede · 28/08/2024 15:58

@MetooOP I recognise that in H too, I'm usually left to deal with the fallout and meltdowns.

LittleSwede · 28/08/2024 16:03

Somehow I did it, managed to get the words out, without blame and quite blunt but hopefully kind enough (under the circumstances!). He went very quiet and have been fairly subdued since. Asked me about maybe moving my things into spare room (as I co-sleep with DD the main bedroom has been 'his' for many years) or the office. I'm sure the anger (his) will come later but now it all seems quite surreal right now!

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 28/08/2024 17:10

Well done @LittleSwede You have set things in motion. I hope with all my heart that things move smoothly for you and your little one. 🫂

MetooOP · 28/08/2024 17:19

Well done @LittleSwede Sounds like it has gone as well as it could have. Really hope that continues for you.

pikkumyy77 · 28/08/2024 17:33

Blunt and direct seems to have worked.

MySocksAreDotty · 28/08/2024 20:03

You did great LittleSwede. In a year’s time you’ll be so glad you started this journey today.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/08/2024 22:04

well done @LittleSwede

This is the calm before the storm but you -will- ride it out. Just .. take as much care of yourself as you can.

Bunnyhair · 29/08/2024 01:53

Amazing, @LittleSwede. I’m wishing hard for this to go as smoothly as possible for you. ❤️

LittleSwede · 29/08/2024 08:23

Thank you everyone ❤️ still in that calm amd surreal bit but will see how things go in the next few days.

MySocksAreDotty · 29/08/2024 10:25

We’re still working on things here. It’s super hard as it generates so many feelings and so much insecurity. We are trying to address basics like lack of touch and that alone brings up so much stuff, like me feeling like a service human, issues w hygiene. It’s like tiptoeing around a minefield trying to defuse the many bombs on high alert for one to go off.

BustyLaRoux · 29/08/2024 15:35

Amazing, well done @LittleSwede !!!

Oh @MetooOP i completely hear you. No empathy for anyone whatsoever here either. If someone is upset, he is MORE upset. If someone is annoyed, he will make the assumption his annoyance trumps anyone else’s. Other people’s feelings are just not important.

BustyLaRoux · 29/08/2024 16:11

Struggling today.

DP works from home. He CHOOSES to work at the kitchen table. Usually I am working too and the kids are all in school. I try to be quiet if I need to go in the kitchen. But today is the school holidays. I’ve taken the week off to spend with my DC. My office isn’t being used. The office is actually big enough for two desks but he has so much hobby stuff that there isn’t room for another desk. He also MADE ME buy an expensive office chair for his son’s room. I baulked at the price! It’s 50% more than my own office chair. But he INSISTED saying it wasn’t for his son, it was for HIM and he would be working at his son’s desk and he had to have one with this configuration as he would be sitting in it all day and he NEEDED IT!!! So stupid idiot that I am, I bought it. I reminded him about the chair I bought that he never uses and he said “no no, you bought it for DSS!” I said “no I bought it for you. You insisted I buy that one. You said it had to have breathable mesh fabric otherwise you would get too hot, remember?” I think it probably rang a bell as he shut up about the chair. But then said he couldn’t work in that room after all as it’s too bright!

So this morning I am off work. It’s 9am (breakfast time!) and I’m tidying up in the kitchen. And it’s goes….

DP: (annoyed) Sweetie!!
Me: yes?
DP: can you do that another time? I am on a Teams call!!
Me: (stops what I’m doing, purses lips in annoyance which obviously I am Not allowed to do)
DP: (angry!) I am working!!!!
Me: well this is a kitchen!
DP: you have your office. I DO NOT!!!
Me: you can work in there
DP: YOU HAVE AN OFFICE! I DO NOT!!!
Me: yes and I am not using it so why don’t you go in there?
DP: (storms off ) well thanks for understanding!!!

And now he won’t speak to me.
I M simply not allowed to express annoyance or irritation ever. I am not allowed for a fleeting look of mild irritation to pass over my face. To be irritated is taken as criticism of him. It’s so ironic because he spends his life being angry, irritable, critical and annoyed all the time. And yet I am not even allowed to look annoyed ever. Why does he think it’s ok for him to be annoyed all the time but I am not permitted to be. Or even look like I might be. When I made a single commwnt on holiday about something he’s done which was entirely his fault and which I’d forewarned him about, he exploded at me calling me all kinds of names. Shouted for ten minutes at me while I calmly sat there. I’m just not ever allowed to be upset or annoyed. It makes him furious.

The fact is he has options about where to work. He could clear space and work in the office. He could work at my desk when I’m not working. He could sit in the expensive chair he made me buy and work in his son’s room. He chooses not to. He chooses to work on the busiest room of the house. And is annoyed when people make noise. But I don’t have a choice about where I boil the kettle or unload the dishwasher. He has choices. I don’t! So why is he the one who gets to be annoyed?

He’s such a horrible bully. He can’t ever be at fault. Even though he is a lot of the time because he is so self focused on his needs and is really unreasonable a lot of the time. But he can’t see it. Can’t see that he’s not being reasonable of fair. Can’t see that he is a bully. I’m so sick of this awful man.

Daftasabroom · 29/08/2024 16:38

@BustyLaRoux it's relentless. We've been having an ongoing row, for four days now, over a telephone.

We needed a new landline phone. DW got a second hand one off marketplace for a tenner, it doesn't charge, the speaker phone doesn't work (the whole reason) - there's a reason it was being sold. I bought one from a supermarket for £30. It isn't flash but we can conference call perfectly well, which was all that was needed. According to DW I obviously I only bought the phone to be controlling, because I have to undermine all her decisions, her phone only needed new batteries, the speaker phone works fine if you put it close to your mouth. Etc etc ad infinitum.

A £30 phone has dominated our household for four days.

OP posts:
MetooOP · 29/08/2024 16:54

DP: (annoyed) Sweetie!!
Me: yes?
DP: can you do that another time? I am on a Teams call!!
Me: (stops what I’m doing, purses lips in annoyance which obviously I am Not allowed to do)
DP: (angry!) I am working!!!!
Me: well this is a kitchen!
DP: you have your office. I DO NOT!!!
Me: you can work in there
DP: YOU HAVE AN OFFICE! I DO NOT!!!
Me: yes and I am not using it so why don’t you go in there?
DP: (storms off ) well thanks for understanding!!!

OMG! This conversation! This! This is so familiar! This is the script mine and DH conversations follow! All of it. The giving of a solution. Him just repeating himself endlessly as if the solution has not been presented. Then the sarcastic nasty comment at the end, even though you have listened, been reasonable and offered the solution!
My H often has these conversations with a really pained look on his face at my utter unreasonableness and failure to co-operate, even though I have, and have offered a very workable solution to the problem at hand, which he doesn't in any way even acknowledge I have done.

I feel your pain @BustyLaRoux its maddening and its SO BLOODY UNFAIR!

To have to deal with someone who doesn't appear to be able to understand the conversation that they are in! Saints would weep!

MetooOP · 29/08/2024 16:56

@Daftasabroom God that's frustrating! Feel for you!

Bunnyhair · 29/08/2024 18:36

Also, what is with the need to plant oneself RIGHT in the middle of everything else everyone in the family is trying to get on with, and insist on total silence? Even when total silence / privacy / space to oneself is available elsewhere?

This is so familiar to me from my DH as well.

See also: spending the evening NOT in his shed OR in his workshop OR in his office (all spaces that are exclusively his and filled to the rafters with his hobby shite) but right there at the kitchen table, NOT doing anything helpful or sociable, but scrolling on his phone with a face like a slapped arse, pausing periodically to monologue about the economy / the environment / AI / the next pandemic / his mysterious aches and pains / all the terrible diseases he probably has but won’t seek treatment for / etc etc etc

PollyTwoBlankets · 29/08/2024 20:40

I definitely recognise the working from home in the middle of family life scenario. DH used to set himself up in the kitchen after filling his office with crap, and conduct all his calls at the top of his lungs.

I sorted out the only extra bedroom as another office for him at great time and expense... and he now works from our bed room instead. So I can't change the bed during the day or sort my wardrobe or even just enter the room without him ostentatiously arm waving or looking panicked.

If I remind him that he has two offices, he says I'm just being nasty, it doesn't hurt me him being in there, I'm always criticising, blah blah blah.

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