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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 12

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Daftasabroom · 17/07/2024 18:05

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

It's complicated and it's emotional.

The old thread is here.

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Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 08:01

Is there not a special device @BustyLaRoux that can go on a fridge that closes it or an alarm or something. The getting defensive is just a mechanism from him because he can’t stop not remembering to close it. It’s like my mum tells me every time to remember to pick up my daughter’s drink bottle from school. I go with the best intentions but I forget it every time. She can’t understand I’m not doing it in purpose it’s just my mind is in 200 different places and I forget.

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 08:31

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 08:01

Is there not a special device @BustyLaRoux that can go on a fridge that closes it or an alarm or something. The getting defensive is just a mechanism from him because he can’t stop not remembering to close it. It’s like my mum tells me every time to remember to pick up my daughter’s drink bottle from school. I go with the best intentions but I forget it every time. She can’t understand I’m not doing it in purpose it’s just my mind is in 200 different places and I forget.

Maybe that’s the answer. I am also scatty and forgetful (ADHD like you) and I forget tasks like your water bottle. It’s different with DP though. It’s defiance. I’ve explained to him that you have to close the door all the way using your hand but he likes to whack it shut as he’s walking away and it bounces back open. I’ve explained that his banging the door method means the fridge is being left open every day, but that’s me telling him what to do and he can’t have that!!! He likes to say “I won’t be told what to do by anyone” and seems to think this is something to boast about. Of course now I’ve told him how he needs to close the fridge he will steadfastly stick to doing it his way to prove a point. Fine. Eat your rotten chicken then!!!

I could do a fridge alarm, but there is no alarm that will change his mindset. It’s not the fridge. This is just one example. But there are dozens every week of him just doing things his way to prove a point. I’ve no problem with people doing things their own way. But when it means our food is rotten or the bins won’t be taken away or we get burgled I feel I need to ask him to please do x and not y. But he will not have it!

He puts all sorts of crap in our recycling boxes and I have to go through them each week and fish out all the corks and tissues and black plastic as the recyclers will refuse the lot if they spy an erroneous item. Every week I say again “tissues don’t go in the recycling (along with all the other things)” as I’m fishing them out. I even wrote on the lid a list of things that can’t be put in there as he seemed to be struggling to remember. But he made a show of ignoring that (this is me telling him what to do again) and putting whatever he felt like in there. I said “why is this in here? I’ve written a list of things you can’t put in here” He shrugged and made a point of saying “oh I won’t read that!”

I know this just sounds domestic discord that all
married couples must have but it isn’t that. It’s the fact that he cannot be asked to do anything differently. The fact that he’s perfectly happy to keep banging the fridge shut to prove a point or chuck any old shit in the recycling. He ignores the impact and just seems more concerned with proving he won’t be told what to do than he does about not throwing food away or having our recycling rejected. And I worry because we will be burgled one day because he was proving a point by not shutting the window (simply because I asked him to shut it and he won’t be told what to do!). It’s like living with the worst kind of teenager!

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 08:33

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 08:31

Maybe that’s the answer. I am also scatty and forgetful (ADHD like you) and I forget tasks like your water bottle. It’s different with DP though. It’s defiance. I’ve explained to him that you have to close the door all the way using your hand but he likes to whack it shut as he’s walking away and it bounces back open. I’ve explained that his banging the door method means the fridge is being left open every day, but that’s me telling him what to do and he can’t have that!!! He likes to say “I won’t be told what to do by anyone” and seems to think this is something to boast about. Of course now I’ve told him how he needs to close the fridge he will steadfastly stick to doing it his way to prove a point. Fine. Eat your rotten chicken then!!!

I could do a fridge alarm, but there is no alarm that will change his mindset. It’s not the fridge. This is just one example. But there are dozens every week of him just doing things his way to prove a point. I’ve no problem with people doing things their own way. But when it means our food is rotten or the bins won’t be taken away or we get burgled I feel I need to ask him to please do x and not y. But he will not have it!

He puts all sorts of crap in our recycling boxes and I have to go through them each week and fish out all the corks and tissues and black plastic as the recyclers will refuse the lot if they spy an erroneous item. Every week I say again “tissues don’t go in the recycling (along with all the other things)” as I’m fishing them out. I even wrote on the lid a list of things that can’t be put in there as he seemed to be struggling to remember. But he made a show of ignoring that (this is me telling him what to do again) and putting whatever he felt like in there. I said “why is this in here? I’ve written a list of things you can’t put in here” He shrugged and made a point of saying “oh I won’t read that!”

I know this just sounds domestic discord that all
married couples must have but it isn’t that. It’s the fact that he cannot be asked to do anything differently. The fact that he’s perfectly happy to keep banging the fridge shut to prove a point or chuck any old shit in the recycling. He ignores the impact and just seems more concerned with proving he won’t be told what to do than he does about not throwing food away or having our recycling rejected. And I worry because we will be burgled one day because he was proving a point by not shutting the window (simply because I asked him to shut it and he won’t be told what to do!). It’s like living with the worst kind of teenager!

It’s like living with my 8 year old!

CinnamonTart · 09/08/2024 08:37

It sounds just like my DH - who I’m convinced has PDA. He was using his mobile while driving in the fast lane (3 kids in the back) and I asked him to stop. He got very angry and said I’m 51 and no-one tells me what to do. I said then please stop the car so me and the kids can get out becuase I choose not to be in a car with someone who’s using their mobile while driving ...
He said it was my choice to get in the car with him. I explained that when I got in the car he wasn’t using his phone so that choice had been removed from me when he got his phone out. etc etc etc

If I say red, he says blue.

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 09:07

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 08:33

It’s like living with my 8 year old!

Precisely!!! 😫

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 09:13

I did wonder for a while if it was a form of PDA but thanks to this group I read up about it. PDA is a very real struggle and sounds horrendous. I wonder if there is a milder form where the person sort of chooses to be defiant in line with their profile of ASD needs. Like they cannot have themselves being told what to do, except that they can when they choose to. DP can do what his boss asks at work. Maybe he understands hierarchy. But if I ask him politely to change a behaviour he digs in. Regardless that there is an impact on himself (rotten meat, overflowing recycling, being burgled). His need to show me he’s autonomous is greater than his need not to be impacted by his own stupid behaviour!!!! His catchphrase is “I don’t care!” Like a show of defiance I’d expect in @Rainbow03’s 8 year old! 😕

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 09:27

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 09:13

I did wonder for a while if it was a form of PDA but thanks to this group I read up about it. PDA is a very real struggle and sounds horrendous. I wonder if there is a milder form where the person sort of chooses to be defiant in line with their profile of ASD needs. Like they cannot have themselves being told what to do, except that they can when they choose to. DP can do what his boss asks at work. Maybe he understands hierarchy. But if I ask him politely to change a behaviour he digs in. Regardless that there is an impact on himself (rotten meat, overflowing recycling, being burgled). His need to show me he’s autonomous is greater than his need not to be impacted by his own stupid behaviour!!!! His catchphrase is “I don’t care!” Like a show of defiance I’d expect in @Rainbow03’s 8 year old! 😕

She says I don’t care in the moment but she will come and say sorry I don’t know why I keep behaving like this later on.

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 10:06

Morning! I haven't been on here for a while but read regularly and nod along with you all. The PDA and refusing to cooperate is all very familiar. I'm very 'Mrs Grey Rock' as we've been married forever and to be honest, I can't be arsed with him most of the time.

Today, I am raging. Absolutely steaming. DH is 60 and has never been diagnosed, but we now have four adult children who have been (the last one very recently) and you only have to look at DH and his family to see which set of genes it came with. He heavily masks with 'outsiders' and would NEVER drop his guard outside the house, so a diagnosis is out of the question. He does agree that he has it though.

We have three adult DC at home, two working and one at university. Last night we had rare evening where the two oldest were out working so just me and youngest, who unexpectedly asked if we could watch a particular classic movie. He's usually in his bedroom so I was thrilled and we set up camp in the livingroom with pizza! DH, who now spends most of his time in bed, both when working and relaxing, surprisingly came down to join us.

First DH starts playing Instagram reels with the sound turned up (it's an ongoing issue - he won't wear headphones but most of his leisure time is spent watching reels on his phone, one reason why I don't complain he's upstairs in bed all the time!)

Once he is asked to turn the sound off so we can watch the film (very directly as he doesn't respond to hints etc ) he huffs and watches his phone in silence.

After pizza is finished, I ask DS to pause the film as I have made his favourite chocolate pudding as a surprise. DH looks up and says, I ate all those earlier. I said, hold on, those five special chocolate puddings? He says, shut up! Don't make a thing about it! It's not my fault! How was I supposed to know? You should have told me! Shut up, shut up, I hate you! (He is so much like a hormonal teenager...)

He has t2 diabetes but the female nurse telling him that he can't eat too much sugar was like a red rag to a bull. I couldn't believe though that he saw five special cream and chocolate puddings in the fridge and just ate them all.

I dropped the subject as it's pointless to argue with him, and we carried on watching but he was obviously annoyed that I'd mentioned the puddings at all as he started commenting on the film, giving away spoilers. When that didn't get a reaction, he then just blurted out the ending... DS was furious (remember, it's a big deal that he even asked to watch it!) and DH was just repeating 'What? I didn't say anything? What?'

I said to DH, I can't believe you did that! That's such a horrible thing to do! Why don't you just go upstairs and watch telly if you are bored?

He jumped up, pointed his finger at me and snarled, I should give you a smack in the face! (He wouldn't, he says it when he's angry but will deny it afterwards)

He went upstairs for ten minutes, came down, threw himself on the sofa, and the film finished without incident. DS and I discuss for ten minutes, take the plates out into the kitchen, and DS disappears upstairs. A minute later he's back downstairs to say, Mum, look at this.

When DH had gone upstairs earlier for ten minutes, he had obviously gone into the family bathroom and sprayed it with urine... the cupboard, the floor.. everything. Presumably because I'd asked him not to spoil the film and he wont be told anything.

The worst thing is, our youngest has contamination OCD and has had lots of therapy to help him cope, and this is one of his nightmares. He was sobbing, as he was so worried he'd stood in it. DH appeared, smirking, and shrugging it off with a 'wasn't me! How do you know it was me? Did you do a dna test?'

I then had to spend an hour cleaning and steaming the bathroom and the carpet and calming our son down, while DH bobbed about denying it, blaming the dog, telling me I was making too much of it, threatening again to smack me in the mouth...

I made him sleep in the spare bed and I can't even look at him this morning. He is going his usual thing of moving forward and refusing to discuss it.

Sorry it's long, I just have no one else who would understand! I have taken away all the demands that I can over the years, let him decompress in bed, like Grandpa Joe from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, he has the life of a bloody little princess, and we still get these horrible pushbacks! And yet he'd be devastated if I left - he is properly disabled as he can't engage with outside life at all.

He is conceding this morning that it 'could' have been him, by 'total accident'. Although that's another lie - he knows and I know, and worst of all, youngest DS knows, that it was purposely done out of malice and spite.

And he complains all the time that no one wants to do anything with him, or spend time with him. That I'm not a real wife to him. Not a mystery, is it? Look how he spoiled the only evening we've spent together in weeks...

Also, one last thing, I remember being told by one person (invader?) on here years ago, that autistic people literally cannot lie... (presumably only if it serves their purpose. Maybe that doesn't count as lying Hmm) Every time I think of that poster, my blood boils Grin

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 11:38

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 09:27

She says I don’t care in the moment but she will come and say sorry I don’t know why I keep behaving like this later on.

Oh bless her! She sounds similar to my equally spirited ADHD DD who is 11 now and much better able to regulate. But younger DD was so defiant that I thought she might have ODD for a time. I think that’s an old term for PDA maybe. And I can see her really struggling not to do
something but then being utterly compelled to it against her own better judgement. She is much better a few years on but I absolutely resonate with all your posts about your DD. Who sounds lovely but very hard work ❤️

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 11:43

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 11:38

Oh bless her! She sounds similar to my equally spirited ADHD DD who is 11 now and much better able to regulate. But younger DD was so defiant that I thought she might have ODD for a time. I think that’s an old term for PDA maybe. And I can see her really struggling not to do
something but then being utterly compelled to it against her own better judgement. She is much better a few years on but I absolutely resonate with all your posts about your DD. Who sounds lovely but very hard work ❤️

I’m holding on to the hope that time makes this easier.

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 11:51

Oh @PollyTwoBlankets that is absolutely beyond awful and abusive in every way! I am so so sorry you had to live through that and your DS had to witness this also. Threatening violence is just…. Words fail me. Even if not intended to be carried out. I don’t think anyone should put up with that. I actually think the urine spraying is even worse though. That’s pure malice. Not blurted out. He went upstairs and in that period of time did that entirely on purpose knowing how it would upset your DS. And making you clean it up! And insulting you by pretending it was the dog when everyone knew it wasn’t. That’s absolutely an appalling abuse. He doesn’t deserve you or his family.

I can fully understand WHY he did it. He didn’t like you asking to turn the phone down (criticism) so then felt aggrieved and thought he’d get his own back a bit. And as you say when that didn’t get a reaction he thought he’d go one better and blurt out the ending. How cruel. And then of course when he did get the reaction he was after comes the defensiveness (“what?! I didn’t do anything!!” Ugh it’s like a teenager, and not a very nice one!). But the threatening you with violence in front of your DS and then spraying the bathroom is not acceptable. It’s disturbing and abusive. But I think you know that. I won’t tell you should leave him as I know from experience it’s often much more complicated than that. But I am very sorry for you. Sending love and strength xxx

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 11:55

@PollyTwoBlankets my Autistic DP lies all the time. Sometimes I don’t think he actually knows the difference between reality and what’s in his head, but often I am sure he is just lying. And his autistic DS lies often. So no, I agree, some autistic people are capable of lying and perhaps some are not. There is no one size fits all.

redannie18 · 09/08/2024 12:12

Hi folks, I'm a regular poster and reader but have had a name change, just been catching up.

@BustyLaRoux so much of your posts is so relatable to me. My DH has crafter this life where I never ask anything of him, as for so long it was called criticism or nagging. It's quite manipulative when you think about it. Every discussion about change is completely shut down.

@PollyTwoBlankets I'm so sorry, that was all just awful.

We had a fairly successful family holiday (a first, I think as our kids are now adults so not demanding) that said both the kids said they would never travel with their dad again as it is so stressful. Just shows what I accommodate without realising. Its exhausting.

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 12:44

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 10:06

Morning! I haven't been on here for a while but read regularly and nod along with you all. The PDA and refusing to cooperate is all very familiar. I'm very 'Mrs Grey Rock' as we've been married forever and to be honest, I can't be arsed with him most of the time.

Today, I am raging. Absolutely steaming. DH is 60 and has never been diagnosed, but we now have four adult children who have been (the last one very recently) and you only have to look at DH and his family to see which set of genes it came with. He heavily masks with 'outsiders' and would NEVER drop his guard outside the house, so a diagnosis is out of the question. He does agree that he has it though.

We have three adult DC at home, two working and one at university. Last night we had rare evening where the two oldest were out working so just me and youngest, who unexpectedly asked if we could watch a particular classic movie. He's usually in his bedroom so I was thrilled and we set up camp in the livingroom with pizza! DH, who now spends most of his time in bed, both when working and relaxing, surprisingly came down to join us.

First DH starts playing Instagram reels with the sound turned up (it's an ongoing issue - he won't wear headphones but most of his leisure time is spent watching reels on his phone, one reason why I don't complain he's upstairs in bed all the time!)

Once he is asked to turn the sound off so we can watch the film (very directly as he doesn't respond to hints etc ) he huffs and watches his phone in silence.

After pizza is finished, I ask DS to pause the film as I have made his favourite chocolate pudding as a surprise. DH looks up and says, I ate all those earlier. I said, hold on, those five special chocolate puddings? He says, shut up! Don't make a thing about it! It's not my fault! How was I supposed to know? You should have told me! Shut up, shut up, I hate you! (He is so much like a hormonal teenager...)

He has t2 diabetes but the female nurse telling him that he can't eat too much sugar was like a red rag to a bull. I couldn't believe though that he saw five special cream and chocolate puddings in the fridge and just ate them all.

I dropped the subject as it's pointless to argue with him, and we carried on watching but he was obviously annoyed that I'd mentioned the puddings at all as he started commenting on the film, giving away spoilers. When that didn't get a reaction, he then just blurted out the ending... DS was furious (remember, it's a big deal that he even asked to watch it!) and DH was just repeating 'What? I didn't say anything? What?'

I said to DH, I can't believe you did that! That's such a horrible thing to do! Why don't you just go upstairs and watch telly if you are bored?

He jumped up, pointed his finger at me and snarled, I should give you a smack in the face! (He wouldn't, he says it when he's angry but will deny it afterwards)

He went upstairs for ten minutes, came down, threw himself on the sofa, and the film finished without incident. DS and I discuss for ten minutes, take the plates out into the kitchen, and DS disappears upstairs. A minute later he's back downstairs to say, Mum, look at this.

When DH had gone upstairs earlier for ten minutes, he had obviously gone into the family bathroom and sprayed it with urine... the cupboard, the floor.. everything. Presumably because I'd asked him not to spoil the film and he wont be told anything.

The worst thing is, our youngest has contamination OCD and has had lots of therapy to help him cope, and this is one of his nightmares. He was sobbing, as he was so worried he'd stood in it. DH appeared, smirking, and shrugging it off with a 'wasn't me! How do you know it was me? Did you do a dna test?'

I then had to spend an hour cleaning and steaming the bathroom and the carpet and calming our son down, while DH bobbed about denying it, blaming the dog, telling me I was making too much of it, threatening again to smack me in the mouth...

I made him sleep in the spare bed and I can't even look at him this morning. He is going his usual thing of moving forward and refusing to discuss it.

Sorry it's long, I just have no one else who would understand! I have taken away all the demands that I can over the years, let him decompress in bed, like Grandpa Joe from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, he has the life of a bloody little princess, and we still get these horrible pushbacks! And yet he'd be devastated if I left - he is properly disabled as he can't engage with outside life at all.

He is conceding this morning that it 'could' have been him, by 'total accident'. Although that's another lie - he knows and I know, and worst of all, youngest DS knows, that it was purposely done out of malice and spite.

And he complains all the time that no one wants to do anything with him, or spend time with him. That I'm not a real wife to him. Not a mystery, is it? Look how he spoiled the only evening we've spent together in weeks...

Also, one last thing, I remember being told by one person (invader?) on here years ago, that autistic people literally cannot lie... (presumably only if it serves their purpose. Maybe that doesn't count as lying Hmm) Every time I think of that poster, my blood boils Grin

OMG that wasn’t a nice read at all. What on earth do you get from this relationship? I’m sorry ND or not that really doesn’t sound normal. As for the not lying part, that’s crap. My ADHD daughter lies for a past time. She simply has to get or have the thing she needs to have at all costs, she lies about most things and the other persons feelings don’t come into the equation at all. I often feel that she has lied to herself so well that the lie is the truth. I literally saw you doing that and she will be adamant that she didn’t. I don’t know why this happens.

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 13:14

Thank you, all Flowers I knew I'd feel better if I posted here. I've calmed down now, and I agree it's beyond the normal boundaries of ASD. My DC are all now diagnosed and outside the normal teenage argy bargy, there are no extreme behaviours like this.

He's got a 'thing' that we leave him out ('we' being me and the DC) but it's always a drama, with him disrupting in the corner. Mostly I just pretend he isn't there Grin

The house isn't worth enough to buy two smaller places, we can't afford to buy each other out, etc etc, plus I am genuine when I say he wouldn't manage to live alone. I've got a life outside the house, hobbies, interests etc and he stays in bed mostly so clashes are rare, but it's baffling to me that he is so difficult!

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 13:19

I have four kids with ASD and two are as honest as the day is long, and two are a little loose with the truth if they think it's necessary. Luckily, they are pretty good humoured now as adults when I do the hmm look Grin

Wasn't always like that though, especially as teens...

NDornotND · 09/08/2024 13:31

@PollyTwoBlankets Flowers that sounds absolutely horrendous. I am furious on your behalf! You sound amazingly calm, considering.

On lying - one of the reasons I have suspicions that I may be autistic is that I absolutely hate lying and have got into trouble in the past because of this. For example, when an interviewer asked me why I wanted a job and I truthfully said that I didn't particularly and had applied for other positions aswell Blush . On the other hand, I didn't seem to have any problem lying to my parents as a teen when I wanted to go out drinking with friends, so I clearly can lie when sufficiently motivated. I really do hate to lie though and will go a long way to avoid it.

BustyLaRoux · 09/08/2024 14:10

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 13:14

Thank you, all Flowers I knew I'd feel better if I posted here. I've calmed down now, and I agree it's beyond the normal boundaries of ASD. My DC are all now diagnosed and outside the normal teenage argy bargy, there are no extreme behaviours like this.

He's got a 'thing' that we leave him out ('we' being me and the DC) but it's always a drama, with him disrupting in the corner. Mostly I just pretend he isn't there Grin

The house isn't worth enough to buy two smaller places, we can't afford to buy each other out, etc etc, plus I am genuine when I say he wouldn't manage to live alone. I've got a life outside the house, hobbies, interests etc and he stays in bed mostly so clashes are rare, but it's baffling to me that he is so difficult!

You sound very matter of fact about it all and I commend you for making peace with your situation because to do otherwise would be tortuous. You can’t change him and you can’t leave, so either you make peace with it or you spend your life being angry and miserable. I do understand that life is often too complicated to up and leave. I also have to make peace (for now) with what I have. It’s self preservation. So is making a nice life for yourself outside of the marriage. You are doing a great job. My heart goes out to you though because he sounds beyond redemption. No wonder he is “left out”. When he’s included he does stuff like this! I guess that’s lost on him. Taking ownership isn’t something a lot of these partners seem able to do……

CinnamonTart · 09/08/2024 14:30

omg @PollyTwoBlankets I can’t believe that. You can’t live like that. It will drive your kids away and you won’t see them as they’ll be avoiding your H.
Can you really not leave? It doesn’t matter if your H can’t survive / integrate - he isn’t your child and you don’t owe him that level of care.

PollyTwoBlankets · 09/08/2024 14:51

CinnamonTart · 09/08/2024 14:30

omg @PollyTwoBlankets I can’t believe that. You can’t live like that. It will drive your kids away and you won’t see them as they’ll be avoiding your H.
Can you really not leave? It doesn’t matter if your H can’t survive / integrate - he isn’t your child and you don’t owe him that level of care.

The kids are ok with it all - they just think he's quirky and annoying. They are also very clued up on autism (obviously!) and can understand him a lot better than he understands himself!

Growing up, I always used to tell them 'Never listen to Daddy, only listen to Mummy!' and everything ran smoothly Grin

MetooOP · 09/08/2024 14:55

@PollyTwoBlankets Thats one of the worst things I have ever read on here. That’s out and out abusive. My H is a very difficult man but there is no way in hell he would do something like that. I’m not usually one to say ‘ it’s not ASD, he’s just an abusive man’ but sorry, the deliberately spreading his piss everywhere and then leaving it for you to clean up, that’s an out and out calculating and deliberately abusive man!, it’s not a lack of empathy or mindsight ( quite the opposite, not an act of emotional disregulation.

I’m so sorry that disgusting man is in your life.

MetooOP · 09/08/2024 14:57

I know this just sounds domestic discord that all
married couples must have

It doesn’t sound remotely like normal domestic discord @BustyLaRoux Relationships are about how you attune and relate. He’s deliberately refusing to do either.

LoveFoolMe · 09/08/2024 15:03

@PollyTwoBlankets How awful 🙁🫂

MetooOP · 09/08/2024 15:05

Rainbow03 · 09/08/2024 08:33

It’s like living with my 8 year old!

I am really struck by how my H’s development is arrested in the stage of a quite a young child in certain respects. It’s been so obvious since having kids how they started to outstrip him in emotional intelligence and empathy from quite a young age. Watching his behaviour match that of aour young children was horrifying enough, but then seeing him get left behind developmentally by them. It’s really opened my eyes to just how much of a disability he has. Those who argue autism is a different but equally valid way to view the world haven’t a clue about how badly impaired some people are by it.

bosqueverde · 09/08/2024 15:23

I'm autistic and live with my wife for 24 years; I still live with my two DDs, also autistic. Although my marriage has ended (and is no example to copy), there may be some useful ideas below.

  • If difficult communication is making you uneasy - especially if you feel questioned by it-, remember that you arrive after an already long, and sometimes painful, history. His reactions can be more tied to his memory of what he's been told, when and how, than what you are actually saying and living through.
  • Sensory issues can completely get in the way. At the moment of a difficult explanation, look out for sensory hurdles: light, noise... You need to know what he's sensitive too. There's absolutely no point talking to me over the TV, for example, but I don't mind muting the TV.
  • If there is an emergency - a child, a burning dinner, you're stuck in a door, deal with the issue first, and with the question of communication at another time. If you try to sort out both you'll both burn the dinner and snap at each other.
  • Consider writing. Or recording. Basically, make it take time, allow time for your view to be worked out.
  • Your formula: "when x happens , I'm left feeling Y, I'd prefer z to happen.". Turn it round and break it up:
  • You -I feel Y
  • Him (you say he does this) offers sympathy, kindness etc
  • You -I'm afraid there's a reason... I have to tell you about x
  • Him (I'm guessing at this point) gets shifty, defensive, avoidant etc.
  • You (if it's going to be loud) -ok but could we talk about it another time? I'll tell you tonight when it's quiet [or I'll write it, or...]
  • or You (if it's audible) -maybe z could happen [and, be open to various versions of z].

If you think this sounds painful and time consuming, don't compare to how you wish things were. Compare to how they actually are. It sounds like your relationship has painful moments! Think that some chosen efforts, maybe this, maybe other solutions, would make them easier.

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