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Husband told me that there's a rumour in work...

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Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 20:23

Will try to keep as brief as possible.....
Husband and I been together for 11 years, married for 5 two DC, youngest 11 weeks.
He went for coffee today with one of his female work friends (she's on maternity and they meet up every few weeks or so). He told me this:
She asked him what was going on with him and another female co-worker (lets call her Mary). She had heard that they were hooking up from a mutual colleague.
He tells me this in front of the children (in our garden for some reason) about 3 hours after he comes home from meeting his friend.
He says he wanted to tell me because he's angry that the mutual coworker had started rumours that yes having an affair with Mary and he didn't want to seem off and of course I should know about these rumours. He told me that when he went out to walk the dog earlier (a while after he came back) he rang Mary and told her there had been rumours.

I find it all a bit strange. I hold my hands up, I have in the past found issue with his friendships with his female colleagues. My father had an affair behind my mums back when I was a teen and I stumbled on it. That's my issue and insecurity which I have previously visited on my relationship but I've worked hard on the insecurities. The issue is that my husband has lied, has been caught out in his lies before and I'm really muddled up because I find it weird that he's telling me about this "rumour"

He's name dropped Mary quite a few times in the last few months. He's been going on walks with her on their lunch break. We are ironically going to her house tomorrow to go and pick up a secondhand thing. They play chess against each other on an app. They WhatsApp fairly frequently.
The biggest thing I am struggling with though is that a few days ago he kissed me on the cheek and he stunk of cigarettes. I told him that and he was like "wow that's weird" (we are both ex smokers). His work coat stunk of smoke too. I called him on it and asked if he had been smoking (I made it so clear to him that I didn't mind if he was cannot stress that enough) he said not. I saw a message from him to Mary saying thanks for that earlier but I had to blag a lighter as I was leaving work.
So he's lying about smoking. I asked him again today and he says not.
I'm so confused as to wtf is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I do?
He did ask me if I believed him about it being a rumour regarding Mary which I thought was weird but might have been because I was a bit skeptical and had come across as suspicious.....
He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking. Mary will be there and now I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable!

OP posts:
Loubelle70 · 15/07/2024 20:55

He wants you and the kids but isnt wanting to give up mary? He wants his cake and eat it. What hold does she have? I think hes interested but knows he will lose everything....mary hasnt even her own place! Hes wanting everything...cant im afraid. Hes given you his answer...the smoking is blindsiding you...please...see whats there..the smoking...literally and figuratively...is a smoke screen

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 15/07/2024 21:40

Oh OP I'm so sorry, he's very selfish. Wishing you strength for whatever way you decide to go.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 15/07/2024 21:42

Story too complicated and therefore unlikely to be true.

Cosycore · 16/07/2024 09:19

Isn’t Mary off on maternity leave?

slightly off topic, I know, just wanting to check I don’t have my wires crossed. I gather they (Mary and partner) split up if she is living with her parents? This just feels a bit pertinent if it’s the case.

Shkbop91 · 16/07/2024 20:50

So I think I agree that in likelihood I won't know whether there is truth to the rumour or not. Someone mentioned the chess and private messages and that did run through my head too.....I don't want to check his phone as I've been there, done that many moons ago and felt morally wrong. I also don't feel that it would actually confirm anything, unless he was stupid enough to outright message it.
The only people I wish I could speak to are the woman who originally made the 'rumour' and his friend who is currently on maternity leave (not Mary, this is a different woman).
But its unlikely that I will speak to them. I agree, that I think it speaks volumes that he is unwilling to step back from his friendship with Mary. I have not explicitly asked him to as I don't feel that would be right. He would only resent that request.
I think, if I was in the same situation reversed and it was all innocent, I would still put him first over any male colleague because at the end of the day my husband is my best friend and I wouldn't want to hurt him by making him uncomfortable. I also don't think I am wrong to feel uncomfortable about it, which for a long time I think he has expected me to feel wrong about. Other situations that might apply to but not this. So if my husband can't see that, I don't think that he really knows or respects me enough in our marriage.

OP posts:
Diarygirlqueen · 16/07/2024 22:26

So sorry OP, I don't like to check phones either, but I think in these circumstances I would. Wishing you peace and strength x

stormstormystormstorm · 17/07/2024 06:56

Diarygirlqueen · 16/07/2024 22:26

So sorry OP, I don't like to check phones either, but I think in these circumstances I would. Wishing you peace and strength x

Me too

Loubelle70 · 17/07/2024 08:50

I dont agree with checking phones...but under circumstances i would. Suspicions are there you need proof if hes cheating. If you do...take pictures with your phone of the conversations if dubious..he will delete them if he knows youve been through his phone. If he has nothing to hide you know.
Believe me....i was very laissez faire with my ex...never checked anything...left him with his own space...etc...never questioned anything...etc. he cheated...weirdly was family member that found evidence. I was too easy going and trusting. Never again. Check his phone, laptop.

Devon23 · 18/07/2024 14:38

Sounds like a lying cheat to me. You can't trust him it was over ages ago? You deserve better. My x was similar I walked away either a 6 month old and 8 year old (both disabled) we took 1/2 everything if your married you will get more. Walk away your way better and will be so much happier trust me. I came from same mistrusting background dad a cheat etc but its obvious he's treating you like a mug.

Harry12345 · 18/07/2024 14:53

Wow! You do not deserve this! What a lying piece of shit! You have a young baby too and he’s more interested in lying and being pals with Mary! I don’t see this getting better unless he really sees what he’s done is wrong, tbh he will just say what he knows you want to hear and not change, been there bought the Tshirt

leeverarch · 18/07/2024 15:12

If he were completely innocent and loved you to bits, then he would literally do anything to prove to you that you can trust him. Including giving up his friendship with this woman.

If he isn't prepared to do that, then it proves he cares more about his 'friendship' with her than he admits.

YourAquaLion · 18/07/2024 15:23

Even if he’s not having an actual affair I’d be super unhappy with the idea of my hubby doing regular lunch walks with the same woman from work, regularly WhatsApping her and playing chess or whatever with her, and then especially lying about the smoking. What else is he lying about? That’s kind of affair-like to me already. I think if I found myself in this situation I’d check his messages to Mary.
Yes I know we’re not sposed to do this but if there’s nothing to find then you can relax.

Henrysotherwoman · 18/07/2024 15:24

SuperSange · 13/07/2024 20:25

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....

Yep. Quack quack 🦆

Grah · 18/07/2024 18:02

Jesus Christ! Some of the people replying on here really hate men don't they? I have loads of male friends. I whatsapp, email, message, flirt with them. Am I having an affair with any of them? No. Do I want to? No.
If some of you were in a relationship with a bisexual person, would you not allow them to have any friends at all?

As for the smoking, he's probably ashamed he started up again. As a teenager my Mum was always telling me she hadn't started smoking again (when she had) as she was so disappointed in herself and was ashamed to own up to us.

CountessWindyBottom · 18/07/2024 18:06

You are married to a pathological liar @Shkbop91 who revels in the attention and most probably extra-marital benefits that these women can supply him with.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but when you get married you don't actively seek out 'friendships' with members of the opposite sex. I always had lots of male friends but it would now feel a little disloyal if I was meeting up with a string of men for cozy lunches and nights out while my DH sat at home. Just as I wouldn't be at all best pleased if he was meeting up with women. It's all about mutual respect and boundaries and your husband is taking the absolute piss.

The way he is has broached this topic re Mary and how you feel about it tells you all you need to know. I'd say he has probably cheated on you for the duration of your relationship so it's up to you whether you want to turn a blind eye and realise he'll never change or to leave him. These are your only two options really,.

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 18/07/2024 18:16

Sorry OP this all sounds very fishy!

Getonwitit · 18/07/2024 18:39

Your Husband is a cheat.

DearDenimEagle · 18/07/2024 18:59

Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 20:23

Will try to keep as brief as possible.....
Husband and I been together for 11 years, married for 5 two DC, youngest 11 weeks.
He went for coffee today with one of his female work friends (she's on maternity and they meet up every few weeks or so). He told me this:
She asked him what was going on with him and another female co-worker (lets call her Mary). She had heard that they were hooking up from a mutual colleague.
He tells me this in front of the children (in our garden for some reason) about 3 hours after he comes home from meeting his friend.
He says he wanted to tell me because he's angry that the mutual coworker had started rumours that yes having an affair with Mary and he didn't want to seem off and of course I should know about these rumours. He told me that when he went out to walk the dog earlier (a while after he came back) he rang Mary and told her there had been rumours.

I find it all a bit strange. I hold my hands up, I have in the past found issue with his friendships with his female colleagues. My father had an affair behind my mums back when I was a teen and I stumbled on it. That's my issue and insecurity which I have previously visited on my relationship but I've worked hard on the insecurities. The issue is that my husband has lied, has been caught out in his lies before and I'm really muddled up because I find it weird that he's telling me about this "rumour"

He's name dropped Mary quite a few times in the last few months. He's been going on walks with her on their lunch break. We are ironically going to her house tomorrow to go and pick up a secondhand thing. They play chess against each other on an app. They WhatsApp fairly frequently.
The biggest thing I am struggling with though is that a few days ago he kissed me on the cheek and he stunk of cigarettes. I told him that and he was like "wow that's weird" (we are both ex smokers). His work coat stunk of smoke too. I called him on it and asked if he had been smoking (I made it so clear to him that I didn't mind if he was cannot stress that enough) he said not. I saw a message from him to Mary saying thanks for that earlier but I had to blag a lighter as I was leaving work.
So he's lying about smoking. I asked him again today and he says not.
I'm so confused as to wtf is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I do?
He did ask me if I believed him about it being a rumour regarding Mary which I thought was weird but might have been because I was a bit skeptical and had come across as suspicious.....
He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking. Mary will be there and now I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable!

Sounds as though he is admitting it by mentioning it. The fact others have noticed his relationship with Mary is suss. The apparent openness is supposed to lull into false sense of security. The lies are a red flag and always talking about Mary and his meetings with her and having you meet her is called triangulation. Look up narcissists and their women and see if you recognise anything. Of course, there are guys who don’t cheat, which is why I’m suggesting you look stuff up. Like why people lie all the time even if it’s not necessary.

Edit to add Sorry, I have just read all your posts. I stand by what I’ve written and I hate you’re going through this. It’s an awful thing. Especially now you have children with him.

Garlickest · 18/07/2024 21:01

Some of the people replying on here really hate men don't they?

No, @Grah. We hate being in relationships with underhand sneaks.

Harry12345 · 18/07/2024 21:49

Grah · 18/07/2024 18:02

Jesus Christ! Some of the people replying on here really hate men don't they? I have loads of male friends. I whatsapp, email, message, flirt with them. Am I having an affair with any of them? No. Do I want to? No.
If some of you were in a relationship with a bisexual person, would you not allow them to have any friends at all?

As for the smoking, he's probably ashamed he started up again. As a teenager my Mum was always telling me she hadn't started smoking again (when she had) as she was so disappointed in herself and was ashamed to own up to us.

You flirt with married men?

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CaramelMacchiatto · 18/07/2024 22:54

I have a male colleague (we work in the same team) and talk about him a lot to my husband when discussing work. We're very good friends, get on really well, go for coffee together at lunch time quite often (never outside work). Other colleagues call him my work husband (which always makes me feel very uncomfortable as I see him like a brother). There is absolutely nothing going on between us!! We're friends, nothing else even though some people around us might be suspicious.

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 19/07/2024 00:36

CaramelMacchiatto · 18/07/2024 22:54

I have a male colleague (we work in the same team) and talk about him a lot to my husband when discussing work. We're very good friends, get on really well, go for coffee together at lunch time quite often (never outside work). Other colleagues call him my work husband (which always makes me feel very uncomfortable as I see him like a brother). There is absolutely nothing going on between us!! We're friends, nothing else even though some people around us might be suspicious.

And how does your DH feel about it?
Does he mind you being so close to someone people use that awful term " work husband" about him?

XChrome · 19/07/2024 00:47

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Internalized misogyny is so pathetic. Please do stay away from women and stay away from other women's husbands. If you aren't an OW yet, you will be, not just because you flirt, but because you do it out of a need for male attention and validation and you like to compete with married women for it. If anybody's insecure, it's you, needing men to validate you. That is fucking sad.

Bo1978 · 19/07/2024 09:19

WitchyBits · 13/07/2024 20:31

He's hiding his lies in truth. He's warning you that there are rumours about his affair , so that when you hear the rumours about his affair you will laugh and laugh and laugh and say " oh no, don't be silly, he's told me ALL ABOUT THIS!".

He's pretty likely actually having an affair. Sorry op.

This! He thinks he’s being clever, but he’s not. He’s essentially just exposed his affair. He seems to lie a lot. I would not be feeling secure in a relationship full of lies. Eventually, your children will grow up, he will still be lying and it’s teaching them that telling lies is ok. These are pretty big lies, too.

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