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Husband told me that there's a rumour in work...

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Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 20:23

Will try to keep as brief as possible.....
Husband and I been together for 11 years, married for 5 two DC, youngest 11 weeks.
He went for coffee today with one of his female work friends (she's on maternity and they meet up every few weeks or so). He told me this:
She asked him what was going on with him and another female co-worker (lets call her Mary). She had heard that they were hooking up from a mutual colleague.
He tells me this in front of the children (in our garden for some reason) about 3 hours after he comes home from meeting his friend.
He says he wanted to tell me because he's angry that the mutual coworker had started rumours that yes having an affair with Mary and he didn't want to seem off and of course I should know about these rumours. He told me that when he went out to walk the dog earlier (a while after he came back) he rang Mary and told her there had been rumours.

I find it all a bit strange. I hold my hands up, I have in the past found issue with his friendships with his female colleagues. My father had an affair behind my mums back when I was a teen and I stumbled on it. That's my issue and insecurity which I have previously visited on my relationship but I've worked hard on the insecurities. The issue is that my husband has lied, has been caught out in his lies before and I'm really muddled up because I find it weird that he's telling me about this "rumour"

He's name dropped Mary quite a few times in the last few months. He's been going on walks with her on their lunch break. We are ironically going to her house tomorrow to go and pick up a secondhand thing. They play chess against each other on an app. They WhatsApp fairly frequently.
The biggest thing I am struggling with though is that a few days ago he kissed me on the cheek and he stunk of cigarettes. I told him that and he was like "wow that's weird" (we are both ex smokers). His work coat stunk of smoke too. I called him on it and asked if he had been smoking (I made it so clear to him that I didn't mind if he was cannot stress that enough) he said not. I saw a message from him to Mary saying thanks for that earlier but I had to blag a lighter as I was leaving work.
So he's lying about smoking. I asked him again today and he says not.
I'm so confused as to wtf is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I do?
He did ask me if I believed him about it being a rumour regarding Mary which I thought was weird but might have been because I was a bit skeptical and had come across as suspicious.....
He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking. Mary will be there and now I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable!

OP posts:
NeedToChangeName · 14/07/2024 07:29

Trust your instincts OP

Hint - the fact you're posting here isn't a good sign

SamW98 · 14/07/2024 07:33

Sorry OP but he’s hiding in plain sight.

Your gut is telling you he’s a liar - listen to your instinct

daisychain01 · 14/07/2024 07:43

When you have to create an escape plan behind the scenes, just in case

When you have to carry on "as normal" putting up with his deceit and never knowing what he'll spring on you next, and left on tenterhooks waiting until the truth about Mary emerges and / or he fesses up

When you have to check social media accounts of people he works with to see for sure if there was an event

when you have to do all these things because your H has already got form for being a lying, untrustworthy alcohol and drug fuelled low life, you know there is nothing left.

please @Shkbop91 if everything you've posted is true, then it's time to face reality and take action. It will turn your world upside down for a while, but better that, than having to live in such a terrible relationship where you aren't respected and where your H will have an unfettered roving eye for any woman he encounters. The longer you keep putting it off, the harder it will be to move forward and get away.

Emeraldiisland · 14/07/2024 08:01

Lostworlds · 13/07/2024 20:36

I can understand why someone will have started rumours if they are doing things at lunch time without the rest of the colleagues. It may look suspicious to others.

Someone may have also joked that they were having an affair and the joke has spread.

Sorry to say but they do seem very close. They seem to be in contact a lot and yes it might purely be platonic but it’s got you feeling worried.
I do think he’s told you this so it doesn’t get back to you. I think he’s hiding behind the truth and the only way to find out for sure is to speak to him about it.

Ask him what’s going on and explain how disrespectful the rumours are to you. Remind him how you feel about cheating and see how he reacts, you can usually tell by their facial expressions if they are telling the truth.

I think I'd do this. But men and women can just be good, even, best friends. I have a male friend who I'd class as one of my best friends. We go for lunch. WhatsApp most days and I mention his name in conversation. Loads of people at work decided we were having an affair. Even now we don't work together people (, friends /family) assume something is going on).
However I would be perfectly happy for my DH to check my phone (we occasionally use each others phones for stuff anyway). I'd be happy for him to see any message I send and I think that's what's important.
I know I have nothing to hide. If your DH doesn't he shouldn't have a problem with you checking his phone. The only thing is if it's all innocent he may well be offended you don't trust him

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 14/07/2024 08:03

HerNameIsIRIS · 14/07/2024 05:53

I have male colleagues who I have lunch with regularly. We also WhatsApp. We also go for walks on days off. There is nothing going on.

It's not always an affair.

Of course it's not ALWAYS an affair.

But pp are commenting on a specific situation here: OP's situation. Not your situation.

And in OP's situation even if her DH is not having a full blown physical affair ( yet) there is enough information about his inappropriate behaviour to make it extremely probable something is going on.

Tinkerbot · 14/07/2024 08:10

Get a private detective (presume these are still around) or tell him you are getting a private detective to investigate who is spreading the rumours.
if he says no tell him you can’t go on with the suspicions you have and he can F off.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 14/07/2024 08:19

charmsinlimitedsupply · 13/07/2024 22:06

OP, if you've struggled with these sorts of insecurities in the past, and safely put them to bed thanks to therapy, you need to be careful about how you think about this.

Perhaps he's having an affair - and it's not unreasonable to suspect he is, as PP have pointed out. Perhaps he's Mr Fidelity. Who knows? You certainly don't at this point.

You've got to put this on the backburner in your mind. Don't forget about it - but don't start questioning him yet. If he is cheating, he holds all the cards at the moment. He can lie, misdirect and gaslight you as much as he wants. If he isn't, it's not going to look much different. How can you tell? Once upon a time you were hyper-vigilant. Now, you may be hypo-vigilant.

So perhaps you should just carry on as normal and try not to worry. BUT think about (and check) your finances, think about your house, what you need to support yourself and your kids, what help/benefits you might get. Start quietly investigating these things.

And instead of lying in bed at night getting into a sweat about what he may or may not have done, think about the contingency plan you're making - the plan you will only use if it turns out your spider sense was in fact correct.

This, OP.

Beautiful3 · 14/07/2024 08:22

It's all too strange. From my experience when ffair rumours go around, they are almost true. People notice inappropriate behaviour between men and women, and talk about them. They message each other and.behave in am intimate way. Its so werid he told you in front of the chilsren too. I'd get a private detective to.know.for.sure, and use the photos are evidence in the divorce.

Velvian · 14/07/2024 08:23

This nightvout drinking sounds like a bad idea. @Shkbop91 , can you suggest to DH that it sounds like a bad idea? Like, "given the rumours at work and the fact that I had a baby 11 weeks ago, I think it would be best to give the night out a miss."

Your H does sound like a bit of a shady character to me. From what you've said, he could well have cheated in the past and gaslit you to the extent of getting treatment for your mental health! He doesn't sound trustworthy.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 14/07/2024 08:25

He's slippery as an eel, and lies as easily as breathing. Basically a hard man to trust. I don't know whether it not he's lying this time but in your shoes I'd follow there OP's advice and quietly prepare for a quick exit should you need it.
Also consider what you'll do if you never find proof (he's never going to confess) but you can't live with the gnawing uncertainty of being married to a liar.

rainbowstardrops · 14/07/2024 08:36

Hmm, I'm wondering if he's hiding in plain sight. The whole lying about smoking as well. He doesn't exactly look good in all of this and why is he meeting a colleague for coffee when she's on maternity leave? He seems to spend quite a lot of time with the female colleagues!

ThePearlSloth · 14/07/2024 08:39

If there are rumours, and the rumours are untrue, and he wanted to cement your relationship, the obvious thing would be to distance himself from Mary and make extra effort with you.

Why would he want to put the idea of an affair in your head for no reason? If there was nothing in it surely he wouldn’t risk causing a rift with you by bringing it up. Telling you in front of your children seems manipulative - it means that he makes it seem ‘innocent’ and prevents you from reacting. So that was a choice.

Unless you two have a backstory of mutual distrust and arguing…? In which case he might be on eggshells about being accused of things. You did say you had issues after childhood experiences. If he is on edge about you regularly accusing him that might lead to him needlessly over-explaining. So it depends on your context I guess. Seems like there is a communication/truth breakdown somewhere though.

alwayslearning789 · 14/07/2024 08:42

Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 21:34

So many people I can't tag to reply so will in general.
People telling me to trust my gut - my gut feels broken hence the reason for the post. My two best friends are mutual with him. One is getting married soon and the other is having a baby in a matter of days so don't want to visit this on them.

I may just sit down and try and talk it through. I did ask him why he was telling me, as I said it was unlikely to get back to me personally. He said it was because I'd been insecure in the past. That makes it worse somehow because I guess that could be a reason. Someone said I sound jealous and controlling and I agree that past self was, to a degree, but I have been in counselling and therapy for PPD several years ago and I have addressed that side of things.

I guess I could sit back and wait for things but I'm not sure if I could see it if it was right infront of my eyes. So many innocent things can be viewed as proof and so many things as proof can be disguised as innocent things.

Perhaps my relationship is just broken because I don't 100% trust him. Think that's probably the answer if I am being honest with myself. Regardless of this situation. I dunno, feels then as though I am throwing my relationship away over either my own insecurities or something I don't have concrete proof of...

You are undecided - totally get that. It may be something, it may be nothing...

But you MUST have a contingency plan regardless.

Get your financial affairs organised and speak to whom you must for a Plan B - if ever required.

You have been given several warning shots @Shkbop91 - Even if you are not strong enough to act on them yet - heed them and prepare - for the sake of you and your children.

Crankypilot · 14/07/2024 08:43

Sorry to say but he’s laying groundwork, he’s got to you before his colleagues have. I have a mate who we all knew was having an affair and then one day he made a similar comment to us.

as we all knew we just called him out on it but he was oblivious to how obvious his actions were

MeridianB · 14/07/2024 08:58

LizzieBennett73 · 13/07/2024 20:28

He's laying the groundwork for his lies. Sorry, OP.

This. Exactly this. He’s trying to hide it in plain sight. It’s gaslighting.

Keep calm and get your ducks in a row.

cringedqueen · 14/07/2024 09:03

@momtoboys that term is just 🤮

Why can't you just say we are friends???

I would not be impressed at all if someone called DH that.

TimetoPour · 14/07/2024 09:03

Hmm. I had a male colleague that I used to have lunch with everyday. His girlfriend caught wind of it and wasn’t very happy either. Realistically the reason we had lunch together daily, in the work staff room, was because we had a mutual appreciation of quiet. We would chat briefly then he used to kick back for a snooze on a sofa and I used to sit at the table and read my book. It was great not having to make polite conversation!

Your situation sounds different. You are already lacking in trust and he has proved himself to a liar in the past. He is sneaking around and telling more lies about the small things. If he is dishonest about the small things, he won’t have a problem with lying about the big things. I would start digging, write down all the things you are suspicious about and pin him down for a serious talk.

LAMPS1 · 14/07/2024 09:06

You know in your heart that you can’t trust him. He’s a tricky character and it seems he relies on creating confusion for you, so that you never know which way is up. He’s grooming you to believe his lies and it seems he’s quite practised in that. He talks to you but it doesn’t clear things up in your mind, it just produces more questions and confusion. You are scared of his likely reaction if you really press him to give the truth or ask to see his phone. If you believe his lies, he happily shows his approval, but if you doubt him he kicks off.

OP, even if he isn’t having an affair you can’t live like that. He isn’t a partner or father that you and your children can rely on and trust. You have no peace of mind at all. Is there a future in that? If he really cared about you, he would stop giving you any cause for concern altogether. He would stop lying to you. Stop creating this drama with Mary. I mean, why not just stop seeing her if others are talking about it. That’s what a decent partner would have done ages ago before it even got to this.

I think that you should now take a bit of time to think about how to manage your life without him in it, because sooner or later, I think that’s what is coming. If you can be even a little bit prepared, it will help you down the line.

I'm sorry you are in this position OP.
Start by imagining a life without this constant debilitating doubt and worry from him.

And then, when you feel stronger, bravely work your way towards achieving it.
A better life is waiting for you. Good luck.

Elasticatedtrousers · 14/07/2024 09:08

I think some posters are missing the point here. This is not a thread about male friendships at work and rumours, it’s a thread about the OP and her fear as to why he told her this.

FWIW he sound awful OP, so many red flags.

He is seeking validation from other women. It is utterly grim he called this ‘Mary’ to discuss this ‘rumour’. I have absolutely zero doubt that was to get his story straight ‘if’ it all comes tumbling out which it sounds like it is.

It’s grim that this isn’t the first time he’s prioritised his need for ego kibbles and validation over your mental and emotional wellbeing and feeling of safety.

He’s cleverly managed to make you doubt yourself and believe that this is a YOU problem, it’s not. It’s a him problem.

You have an 11 week old baby, he shouldn’t be busy fire fighting the damage from his creepy liaisons and whatsapping into the evening; he should be busy supporting you with the children.

If you get a copy of leave a cheater gain a life OR Not just friends I think you’ll recognise just how unsafe this man is. If he’s not having an affair now (and I doubt it) then he’s one waiting to happen.

I’d be vigilant and make sure I had a plan b to exit and get out in a strong position.

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 14/07/2024 09:09

cringedqueen · 14/07/2024 09:03

@momtoboys that term is just 🤮

Why can't you just say we are friends???

I would not be impressed at all if someone called DH that.

Yes.
Same as " work wife"
All these terms do is blur boundaries.

Longma · 14/07/2024 09:11

cringedqueen · 14/07/2024 09:03

@momtoboys that term is just 🤮

Why can't you just say we are friends???

I would not be impressed at all if someone called DH that.

Snap.
Horrible phrase and implies there is a lot more going on that friendship, verging on emotional affair.

The only time I've known it used, the two people ended up having an affair and it split two families up.

I'd been unhappy about dh telling me about a 'work wife' and he'd been equally unimpressed if I talked about a 'work husband.'

perfectcolourfound · 14/07/2024 09:13

I think the rumours are true and he's making sure he gets to you first.

I'm really, really sorry to say that, but there are just too many indicators.

And that's before you bear in mind that he has a track record for lying.

He says he told you because you've been insecure in the past. Does he understand that he's helped make you insecure? If he knows you're insecure, why does he insist on telling you lies and doing things that will add to your insecurity?

Doing it in front of the children was so you couldn't properly question him.

The facts you know:

He has lied about things in the past, including recently.
Included in those lies are things to do with Mary (such as the smoking).
He talks about Mary a lot.
There are rumours at work about him and Mary (rumours aren't always true of course).
He has form for developing inappropriate relationships with women / flirting inappropriately.

I would start thinking about what life might look like without him. Maybe take some legal advice. See where you'd stand financially. Start thinking of yourself more. Stop looking after him as much. Develop more independence. This will help make you stonger to make decisions about him, and it will help you to make those decisions, and it might just help you to see you'd be much better off without him.

Elasticatedtrousers · 14/07/2024 09:21

And yes no one should call a work colleague ‘work husband’ or ‘work wife’ it’s boundary crossing and inappropriate! And also totally cringey!

EnoughIsTooMuchAlready · 14/07/2024 09:26

Set aside the rumours. Say you believe him.

You have a husband who lies about smoking, who would rather go out drinking than look after their child, who doesn't seem to be much hands on help with your very young baby. Who was bringing codeine in the house to abuse. He's lied previously about his 'friendships' with other women. You previously had PPD and he's not exactly putting himself out to support you this time around is he?

This is going to be a lot harder with him than without him, you know.

Cas112 · 14/07/2024 09:29

You know in your gut otherwise you wouldn't even be asking

Also, you need to go on the work night out

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