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Husband told me that there's a rumour in work...

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Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 20:23

Will try to keep as brief as possible.....
Husband and I been together for 11 years, married for 5 two DC, youngest 11 weeks.
He went for coffee today with one of his female work friends (she's on maternity and they meet up every few weeks or so). He told me this:
She asked him what was going on with him and another female co-worker (lets call her Mary). She had heard that they were hooking up from a mutual colleague.
He tells me this in front of the children (in our garden for some reason) about 3 hours after he comes home from meeting his friend.
He says he wanted to tell me because he's angry that the mutual coworker had started rumours that yes having an affair with Mary and he didn't want to seem off and of course I should know about these rumours. He told me that when he went out to walk the dog earlier (a while after he came back) he rang Mary and told her there had been rumours.

I find it all a bit strange. I hold my hands up, I have in the past found issue with his friendships with his female colleagues. My father had an affair behind my mums back when I was a teen and I stumbled on it. That's my issue and insecurity which I have previously visited on my relationship but I've worked hard on the insecurities. The issue is that my husband has lied, has been caught out in his lies before and I'm really muddled up because I find it weird that he's telling me about this "rumour"

He's name dropped Mary quite a few times in the last few months. He's been going on walks with her on their lunch break. We are ironically going to her house tomorrow to go and pick up a secondhand thing. They play chess against each other on an app. They WhatsApp fairly frequently.
The biggest thing I am struggling with though is that a few days ago he kissed me on the cheek and he stunk of cigarettes. I told him that and he was like "wow that's weird" (we are both ex smokers). His work coat stunk of smoke too. I called him on it and asked if he had been smoking (I made it so clear to him that I didn't mind if he was cannot stress that enough) he said not. I saw a message from him to Mary saying thanks for that earlier but I had to blag a lighter as I was leaving work.
So he's lying about smoking. I asked him again today and he says not.
I'm so confused as to wtf is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I do?
He did ask me if I believed him about it being a rumour regarding Mary which I thought was weird but might have been because I was a bit skeptical and had come across as suspicious.....
He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking. Mary will be there and now I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable!

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Loubelle70 · 19/07/2024 10:01

XChrome · 19/07/2024 00:47

Internalized misogyny is so pathetic. Please do stay away from women and stay away from other women's husbands. If you aren't an OW yet, you will be, not just because you flirt, but because you do it out of a need for male attention and validation and you like to compete with married women for it. If anybody's insecure, it's you, needing men to validate you. That is fucking sad.

Thankyou..was just going to say same. Internalised misogyny.

BlastedPimples · 19/07/2024 10:43

XChrome
Internalized misogyny is so pathetic. Please do stay away from women and stay away from other women's husbands. If you aren't an OW yet, you will be, not just because you flirt, but because you do it out of a need for male attention and validation and you like to compete with married women for it. If anybody's insecure, it's you, needing men to validate you. That is fucking sad.

Hear hear.

Secondstart1001 · 19/07/2024 11:05

@Grah it’s very unsupportive to the op that you think it’s jolly old fun to treat any man as fair game. It’s all a lot of fun till someone gets hurt. Don’t minimise what’s going on here, as her H’s behaviour is disrespectful to her, their marriage and their family. Putting a friendship before marriage is a key indicator he is probably cheating or has the intention to!

smithsinarazz · 19/07/2024 12:36

leeverarch · 18/07/2024 15:12

If he were completely innocent and loved you to bits, then he would literally do anything to prove to you that you can trust him. Including giving up his friendship with this woman.

If he isn't prepared to do that, then it proves he cares more about his 'friendship' with her than he admits.

There's no way I would accept a request from my husband that I give up a friendship because he didn't believe it wasn't an affair. Nor would he ever ask it of me.

SamW98 · 19/07/2024 12:44

I’ve got a very close male friend. I’ve met his gf several times and getting well with her. She’s told me she wasn’t sure about how close we were at start but now she knows me, she’s totally comfortable and understands why we’re such good friends.

If I ever thought our friendship made her uncomfortable I’d definitely pull back. Not end the friendship but just step back a bit

Irs about respecting someone’s relationship and the partner’s boundaries. The fact they’re not respecting you speaks volumes imo

GlobalCitz · 19/07/2024 12:59

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The definition of a "Pick me" girl

Grah · 19/07/2024 13:41

GlobalCitz · 19/07/2024 12:59

The definition of a "Pick me" girl

Ha ha! I'm not a girl anymore! Perhaps that's the difference, I'm from a time when women could be friends with a man and have a bit of banter without everyone thinking a torrid affair was going on.

Grah · 19/07/2024 13:47

XChrome · 19/07/2024 00:47

Internalized misogyny is so pathetic. Please do stay away from women and stay away from other women's husbands. If you aren't an OW yet, you will be, not just because you flirt, but because you do it out of a need for male attention and validation and you like to compete with married women for it. If anybody's insecure, it's you, needing men to validate you. That is fucking sad.

🖕😘

Grah · 19/07/2024 13:53

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Harry12345 · 19/07/2024 13:53

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Oh you’re so cool

BirthdayRainbow · 19/07/2024 13:57

You do you but why do you feel the need to try and put down other women in the process @Grah ?

Grah · 19/07/2024 13:59

Loubelle70 · 19/07/2024 10:01

Thankyou..was just going to say same. Internalised misogyny.

Internalised misogynyThe belief by women and girls that the sexist lies, stereotypes and myths about them are true. Examples of internalised misogyny: You judge women's sexual behaviour differently from men's sexual behaviour. You're disgusted at seeing women's body hair.

This is not me at all. You all need to get your definitions sorted.
I hate sexism, so I believe I can do anything a man can do. That is not what internalised misogyny is. I'm in a male dominated field so need to have male friends as they are mostly the ones I'm surrounded with as well as women who think like me.
What I always wonder in these cases is, if I were bisexual could I not have friends and have a laugh with anyone????

Grah · 19/07/2024 14:01

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Secondstart1001 · 19/07/2024 14:01

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Have you thought maybe MN is not the place for you then, seeing as we are all “hysterical women”?

Your contribution to this thread adds no real value and you are just annoying us all. But I think you actually enjoy that don’t you?
Have a bit of respect for the op or perhaps start your own thread as you seem to love attention even if it’s negative.

Harry12345 · 19/07/2024 14:28

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I get on with men and have male friends, I’ve always been a “tomboy” doesn’t mean I put down other woman, you’ve actually put a sick emoji after saying about woman having lunch, do you hate woman?

BirthdayRainbow · 19/07/2024 14:36

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Again, why so cruel? It doesn't help someone whose husband has cheated so you must be doing it for your own gratification. Nor is it pleasant towards anyone who has suffered bad mental health caused by a man.

Most women don't post when their husband is being lovely so of course it can seem like women hate men but they don't, they hate what they have done. It's a lack of thinking to say women hate men and think they are all cunts on here.

I have sons. I love them more than anything but I can still feel dislike towards another man who has caused pain.

You are not funny, clever or interesting. Just take a minute and actually think about what you are posting.

CaramelMacchiatto · 19/07/2024 15:56

Itstherichthatgetthepleasureasusual · 19/07/2024 00:36

And how does your DH feel about it?
Does he mind you being so close to someone people use that awful term " work husband" about him?

We work in the same team so he knows we spend a lot of time together because of this, it's just nature of the job. I never told him about the "work husband" thing as, like I said, it makes me uncomfortable as well, and there is absolutely nothing between us. We just get on. DH knows my friend as well. Anyway, the point I was making, some rumours are just that, rumours. It might not be in OP's case but it in in some others.

leeverarch · 19/07/2024 16:43

smithsinarazz · 19/07/2024 12:36

There's no way I would accept a request from my husband that I give up a friendship because he didn't believe it wasn't an affair. Nor would he ever ask it of me.

We're not talking about requesting someone to give up a 'friendship'. If I had a close friendship with someone and DH was uncomfortable with it - well I love him far too much and care too much about his feelings that I would voluntarily jettison the friendship. He wouldn't need to ask. My marriage is more important to me than any friendship with some other bloke could ever be.

Marvelsquirrel · 20/07/2024 18:30

This is so awful for you. You strongly suspect something is going on but without concrete evidence I can understand why you don’t want to tear your lives apart right now. I would ask to check his phone like others say and see how he reacts. He’s clearly lying about smoking. And Mary is in on the secret he’s keeping from you about that. It doesn’t sound good. I don’t know how you get him to be straight with you. Can you track his phone and find out where he and Mary spend their lunch breaks?

HBMomma · 21/07/2024 16:15

He's been busted and is doing damage limitation. Trust your gut. I'm so sorry and really hope I'm wrong 😔 xx

BengalGal · 21/07/2024 19:33

The walks, the WhatsApp, her smoke in his clothes. It’s at least an emotional affair. I would tell him he cannot text visit or have anything to do with with Mary. Then I would sit down with Mary and ask what’s going on? I suspect the rumors are true.

BengalGal · 21/07/2024 19:47

Talk to his maternity leave friend. Tell her you suspect the rumors are absolutely true and he is not there for his new baby. Tell him you need to see the phone. Check the delete files. Hire a private investigator. Talk to Mary. Check her face. I think he’s cheating. Otherwise he would be around for you and the kids more.

BengalGal · 21/07/2024 19:58

Harry12345 · 19/07/2024 14:28

I get on with men and have male friends, I’ve always been a “tomboy” doesn’t mean I put down other woman, you’ve actually put a sick emoji after saying about woman having lunch, do you hate woman?

You were insulting and degrading to the op. No wonder women won’t want to be your friend. She has every reason to be suspicious of this jerk who is spending more time and energy on Mary than his newborn child or post parting wife who is dealing with two young children.

Opentooffers · 21/07/2024 20:10

He's refused to step back from the friendship, not just because of rumour, but also in the face of how much it would hurt you. Let's hope that seeing you and the DC's together with your DH has made Mary think on. Tbh, if I was Mary and it was innocent, I would have no trouble keeping my distance to prevent upsetting a married man's family. It takes 2, so if she entertains him, just the same, it's because there is more attachment than just friends.
Under the circumstances, I'd ask your DH to move out and give space for a while. He needs to feel what the potential loss of family is like. Up till now, he's taken it for granted that he can do and say whatever he likes and you will stick around forever, tying yourself up in knots, trying to play the 'cool wife'. It's about time he got a hard message. I doubt despite his verbal declarations, that he'd take you seriously if you let him stick around anyway, that's just him getting away with it.

BengalGal · 21/07/2024 20:24

Shkbop91 · 15/07/2024 16:16

Sorry for silence. Just to clarify, I am spending a planned week away. Taking the youngest but leaving the eldest here for nursery. The works night out hasn't happened yet.

For anyone invested:

Yesterday was awful. He wanted to talk Saturday night and I said I did want to talk about it yet (I'd had less then 4 hours sleep). I thought about it all overnight and figured that I would try and talk to him about it after we had been to Mary's house - turns out she lives with her parents so confronting the both of them felt completely wrong.
Didn't really sense anything between them but it was super awkward as my children and her parents were there and she was friendly to me.

I decided to ask him questions about it all once we got home. Such as why he decided to speak to Mary before telling me of the rumour (he apparently hadnt decided to tell me yet at that point). I decided I would try again getting him to admit about the smoking. It didn't go well. Things escalated, he continued lying to my face about the smoking and getting annoyed that I wouldn't say I believed him about it being a rumour.
I admit that I lost it. I told him I knew that he was lying about smoking told him I knew he was taking codeine over Christmas. Told him I didn't trust him or believe him about anything he said. He then admitted smoking, with Mary and that he didn't tell me because he knew I would like it. I told him I didn't give a s*t about the smoking and had made it clear to him, yet he kept on lying.

Not really sure where we are at after all of it. I told him I didn't want to be with him anymore. That being in a relationship where i wasn't happy wasn't going to make me a good mum or him a good dad. He got upset, professed his love. Said he didn't want to lose me or the children. Said he was telling the truth about everything else but did lie about the smoking. Said he was sorry and can see why I don't trust him. Said he wasn't going to stop being friends with Mary over nothing but a rumour. Lots more was said but too much to post on here.

I've slept on it and I still don't know where the f**k I am with this so I'm going to do as people have suggested and start getting a plan in place in the background.

Ugh. Not willing to give up Mary tell you all you need to know. Talk to other work people. Make sure you have a camera, a pi or a friend check up on him at the house. Get all in order to leave him

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