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Husband told me that there's a rumour in work...

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Shkbop91 · 13/07/2024 20:23

Will try to keep as brief as possible.....
Husband and I been together for 11 years, married for 5 two DC, youngest 11 weeks.
He went for coffee today with one of his female work friends (she's on maternity and they meet up every few weeks or so). He told me this:
She asked him what was going on with him and another female co-worker (lets call her Mary). She had heard that they were hooking up from a mutual colleague.
He tells me this in front of the children (in our garden for some reason) about 3 hours after he comes home from meeting his friend.
He says he wanted to tell me because he's angry that the mutual coworker had started rumours that yes having an affair with Mary and he didn't want to seem off and of course I should know about these rumours. He told me that when he went out to walk the dog earlier (a while after he came back) he rang Mary and told her there had been rumours.

I find it all a bit strange. I hold my hands up, I have in the past found issue with his friendships with his female colleagues. My father had an affair behind my mums back when I was a teen and I stumbled on it. That's my issue and insecurity which I have previously visited on my relationship but I've worked hard on the insecurities. The issue is that my husband has lied, has been caught out in his lies before and I'm really muddled up because I find it weird that he's telling me about this "rumour"

He's name dropped Mary quite a few times in the last few months. He's been going on walks with her on their lunch break. We are ironically going to her house tomorrow to go and pick up a secondhand thing. They play chess against each other on an app. They WhatsApp fairly frequently.
The biggest thing I am struggling with though is that a few days ago he kissed me on the cheek and he stunk of cigarettes. I told him that and he was like "wow that's weird" (we are both ex smokers). His work coat stunk of smoke too. I called him on it and asked if he had been smoking (I made it so clear to him that I didn't mind if he was cannot stress that enough) he said not. I saw a message from him to Mary saying thanks for that earlier but I had to blag a lighter as I was leaving work.
So he's lying about smoking. I asked him again today and he says not.
I'm so confused as to wtf is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I do?
He did ask me if I believed him about it being a rumour regarding Mary which I thought was weird but might have been because I was a bit skeptical and had come across as suspicious.....
He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking. Mary will be there and now I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable!

OP posts:
Didsomeonesaydogs · 13/07/2024 22:42

He seems to have quite the harem for a married man.

SleepPrettyDarling · 13/07/2024 22:42

Any husband/partner with a wife, child and NEWBORN INFANT needs to give his head a violent shake and cop the fuck on to reassure her that he’s 100% committed at home. Casual coffees and mentions are the last thing you need. I’ve been there. It’s an absolute headwreck being at home with all the attendant needs of a very young family when he waltzes in with a ‘nothing to worry about’ nonchalance.

Whycantibetangy · 13/07/2024 22:42

There was a rumour started about me and my male work colleague after we were ‘spotted’ buying home wares together for our lovenest we had just moved into.
In reality it was the Debenhams closing down sale we went to on our lunch break. I bought a massive dinner set and he helped me carry it back to the office.
it was awful - we were just mates, who had a laugh in an otherwise dull environment and sat near each other.

Toptotoe · 13/07/2024 22:44

He's going on a work night out while I will have the youngest visiting family and our eldest will be staying with his grandparents overnight so husband can go out drinking.

i don’t understand . . . .why does husband need his child to go to grandparents so he can go out drinking??

it sounds to me like your husband is a gaslighting shitbag but I’m sure you don’t want to hear that.
If you can afford it then hire a PI If not do your own research. Check people he works with social media accounts . There should be photos of the night out if there was one. You could even use the time your alone to hide behind some trees/ pillar boxes etc to check up on him. You need to get into detective mode.

Finally, If you want to find out if he’s trustworthy then tell him you need to be able to locate him using find my phone - if he has nothing to hide he won’t mind. If he starts getting indignant and refusing for that to happen then I think you have your answer.

pikkumyy77 · 13/07/2024 22:46

He is no catch, between the alcohol and the drugs and the smoking and the female friends. You can do better!

Starseeking · 13/07/2024 22:47

Sounds like he's having an affair with Mary and hiding it from you in plain sight.

VJBR · 13/07/2024 22:58

Why do you all have to leave the house while he goes out drinking? Please don’t feel you are at fault OP. You are not being controlling. His behaviour is out of order. Ignore the posters who are so tolerant that they don’t kind their sleazy husbands flirting with half the office/mums at the school gate.

OliveWah · 13/07/2024 23:04

You know him best @Shkbop91, how did he seem when he was telling you? How has he behaved in the hours since? Did he give you extra reassurance before he went out this evening?

In his shoes, if I was innocent of the rumours, I would be angry, bewildered and at pains to convince my spouse that they were untrue. Did he offer to let you look through his phone? Call the person who started the rumour on loudspeaker so you could hear him confront her? These are things I would have done, what would you have done OP? Have a think about that, and compare with his actions.

I think your plan to sit down with him and have a proper conversation is a sound one, but have a think first about what it will take to reassure you, then do not settle for less than the peace of mind you deserve. I hope things work out for you.💐

Starseeking · 13/07/2024 23:05

Give OP a break, she's probably knackered.

To me it reads as if the OP is taking the 11 week old on a long planned visit to family, and had expected the DH to be at home looking after the older DC.

However, instead of staying home to look after the older DC, the DH has sent the older DC to stay with his grandparents so he can go out on the lash with work colleagues (possibly including Mary).

Pelham678 · 13/07/2024 23:06

To counter some of those: 'I had a good friend who was a male colleague'. I had two married male friends who made passes at me - one told me he loved me (out of the blue totally) and the other one's wife was pregnant. I also knew of another two men that were having actual affairs in the office.

I find it very odd that he told you in front of the children - presumably to make it harder for you to question him about it.

Your DH also has form. If I did ever have another male friend at work, I certainly wouldn't be discussing his cock with him. Does he have no boundaries at all?

DGPP · 13/07/2024 23:07

I have close male friends I text, go for lunch with and drinks with. It’s all very innocent. I’d be upset if rumours started.
but only you know your husband. I’d have a good look at his phone and I’d invite Mary over for dinner possibly!

wiggleweggle · 13/07/2024 23:15

Pelham678 · 13/07/2024 23:06

To counter some of those: 'I had a good friend who was a male colleague'. I had two married male friends who made passes at me - one told me he loved me (out of the blue totally) and the other one's wife was pregnant. I also knew of another two men that were having actual affairs in the office.

I find it very odd that he told you in front of the children - presumably to make it harder for you to question him about it.

Your DH also has form. If I did ever have another male friend at work, I certainly wouldn't be discussing his cock with him. Does he have no boundaries at all?

This.

I'm sorry OP. It's hiding in plain sight

yhk · 13/07/2024 23:16

@Shkbop91

"I did ask him why he was telling me, as I said it was unlikely to get back to me personally. He said it was because I'd been insecure in the past."

I would say that, considering he has had no problem with lying to you in the past, it's possible that he's been caught out with this woman and he is afraid of it getting back to you, or it's gone belly up with this woman and she's threatened to tell you. That's the reason why I think he is telling you about this. As others have said, laying the groundwork to base more lies on if it gets back to you.

You said he carried on talking with the woman with whom he spoke about his genitals, even after you asked him not to speak to her on a 1-1 basis again. So it's quite clear he doesn't care about your insecurities. Why would he care now?

I'd be highly suspicious OP.

DingleDongBellEnd · 13/07/2024 23:28

If he's not having sex with her yet, he's having an emotional affair that will lead to sex.

Copperoliverbear · 13/07/2024 23:31

Ohh god what a waster, he takes drugs has only female friends it seems and is a compulsive liar, why an earth have you stayed with this man and had children.

MeandBobbyMcGoo · 13/07/2024 23:34

Charmsinlimitedsupply's response is spot on for me. I am sorry OP, either way this is shit. He is either cheating or he isn't - but you still feel disrespected by the inappropriateness, the lying, the time spent with other women. You don't need constructive proof, you don't need to have sleepless nights replaying events or comments looking for clues. You do need to think about yourself and getting yourself in a good place. When my husband cheated, I had this mad rush that I had to do everything immediately. You don't. Take care OP.

TheShiningCarpet · 13/07/2024 23:46

I’m so sorry for the stress

to be honest, given everything you’ve written, I’d be surprised if he was really “going to a work do/out with the work gang”…. With an empty house, well.

Louise303 · 13/07/2024 23:47

He told you because he thought the rumour might get back to you at some point. Why would he wait hours before telling you it is just making it more suspicious like he is hiding something. If he was worried about your feelings and wanting to prove it was not true why did he not ring Mary in front of you on loudspeaker. I would ask the colleague that was supposed to start the rumour and get there side of the story.

oakleaffy · 13/07/2024 23:51

New Baby, such a classic time for a man to start up ''A bit on the side'' unfortunately.

He's trying to wriggle out of telling the truth.

I'd not trust him. {My husband also had affair with colleague and denied it fervently - before crumpling and admitting to seeing the woman {and staying overnight!} ''but we haven't had sex yet''...

🤥

newyearsresolurion · 13/07/2024 23:55

There's no smoke without fire

oakleaffy · 13/07/2024 23:57

Garlickest · 13/07/2024 22:23

Yes, maybe they really are just friends.

And maybe he smells of smoke because he's found a new cologne that smells of cigarettes, along with matching mouthwash. Maybe he messaged Mary about needing a new lighter because a gentleman always carries a lighter, he lit her cigarette for her and she absent-mindedly pocketed it. He had to get a replacement on the way home because he doesn't smoke.

Maybe he used to hide codeine tablets in a drawer because he really was in excruciating pain but concealed his agony from his wife. What a hero.

Maybe he goes out socialising all the time because this is the best way to show his commitment to his young family with new baby.

Maybe the whole family's got to stay out of the house when he goes drinking because ... well, I am completely puzzled by this one! Perhaps he likes nothing more than doing a whole-house deep clean and all the laundry when he's pissed at 3am?

Totally trustworthy, and maybe it's OP who's being unreasonable 😏

🎯

BeckiWithAnI · 14/07/2024 00:02

A man with form for lying suddenly wants to be honest with you about these “rumors”. Does that make sense to you?
I wouldn’t need proof. I need to be able to trust the person I’m going to bed with each night, who I’m raising a family with. That’s what I need, and it’s as simple as that.
If my dad had had an affair and left me with insecurities around friendships with the opposite sex, then my husband would be sensitive to that and not creating a hareem of “friends” around himself to make me feel insecure and simultaneously believing that it’s my problem. He’s trash enough just for this let alone the obvious lies and gaslighting he’s subjecting you to.
Somehow if you walked in on him and “Mary” in flagrante I think he’d still find a way of convincing you she was just helping him with some yoga stretches.
I also think you know this deep down and are just waiting for that one definitive thing to make you feel justified in ending your marriage. It’s right in front of you. Trust. Evidence of infidelity may never come if you’re waiting for that. He’s well practiced in deception.

mommatoone · 14/07/2024 00:06

OP - have you posted about this guy before?

Propertyshmoperty · 14/07/2024 00:09

I would have a proper sit down with him and I'd say, listen I don't like the fact there's rumours and quite frankly I would prefer if you didn't spend all your free time that you could be spending with your family with your female colleagues, either in person or texting and giving head space.

I also would ask that considering the rumours I'd prefer you didn't go on the work night out with your female colleague and start putting some space between the two of you. I would see what his reaction to these suggestions is. If he protests and says the friendship is purely platonic and nothing to worry about I'd ask to see their whatsapp conversations.

However I am with others and feel like he's laying the ground work for the affair coming out and trying to get ahead of it by giving his side of it first. The fact that he has form for lying isn't great and the fact that you know he would get mad if you asked to see whatsapp conversations between the two of them (which would be a perfectly reasonable request given the circumstances) is incredibly suspect.

Sorry OP I would prepare myself for what I would do if the rumours were true, get your ducks in a row behind the scenes. Anything but 100% transparency about their conversations and distancing himself from her apart from pure necessity at work I would consider crossing the line and unworkable.

Sending love and strength OP. Xx