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My husband will not respect my need for sleep. Help!

187 replies

Girlmom35 · 23/06/2024 00:30

So, I'll start off by saying I'm a light sleeper. Always have been. I remember laying awake for hours as a kid. I have trouble falling asleep. The slightest noise wakes me up and once I'm awake, I don't fall asleep again easily. And most mornings, no matter how tired I am, I'll be awake 30 minutes before my alarm goes off. I've learned to live with little sleep, especially since motherhood. Although motherhood has helped in a way, because I'm so tired now that I do actually fall asleep faster.

My husband will fall asleep in an instant, and not wake up unless something big happens. He sleeps well and deeply and will sometimes sleep through the alarm or needs to be waken up multiple times. I envy him. He also has some autistic traits, like empathy being difficult for him. Unless he experiences something himself, he will have trouble understanding how someone else feels. This is where I need help. I have tried to talk to him every way that I can about needing more uninterrupted sleep, but he keeps not taking it seriously.

Every night it's something.
I will say that I'm heading off to bed and ask if he'll come too. Because if he walks in an hour later, he will do something stupid like turn all the bedroom lights on, or drop something on the floor. He doesn't get that if I wake up, it will take me an hour to fall asleep again. He will say he's right behind me, but then get distracted and come to bed late, when I specifically asked him not to.
Or he will come to bed with me, but decide he wants to fiddle on his phone before going to sleep. And I just know that at some point he'll open an app with sound and wake me up when I've just fallen asleep. This is despite me asking him repeatedly to check whether his phone sound is off before going to bed. Or he'll open a can of soda in the middle of the night.

I just can't take it anymore. Every night I beg him to please let me sleep. To be careful not to drop anything, not to play videos with sound on. And every single night he ends up costing me at least an hour of sleep. He apologizes, but then he expects me to just turn around and go back to sleep. I can't. I'm running on 5-6 hours of sleep and I'm exhausted.

Why do I not go to bed earlier? If I go to bed too early, I just end up laying awake. I wish I could. I need to be really tired before I can fall asleep.
Why I don't use earplugs? I have a 2 year old and a 5 year old and I'm not comfortable not being able to hear them in case they wake up crying from a bad dream, or if they get sick.
We have a guest bedroom with a very comfy bed. I know I might have to resort to sleeping there if this doesn't get better. I've asked my husband to go sleep there if he comes to bed late, and he will do that when I specifically ask him to. But when we sleep apart for a few days he gets sad and says he misses me. And honestly I would really prefer to sleep next to my husband as well.

And please don't set the MN maffia on me to tell me I need to leave my husband. He's a good husband and father in most other areas. We all have our flaws. I'm asking for advice on how I can get through to him so I can sleep next to the man I love and still get more than 6 hours of sleep every night.

OP posts:
Clingfilm · 23/06/2024 09:54

'opens a can of soda' ??

You've got the luxury of a spare room, embrace it!

FreeRider · 23/06/2024 09:58

I had much the same problem, and when I started being perimenopausal it got far worse. I'm in a LDR, my partner spends about a week a month with me (sometimes more) - like your husband, he sleeps very deeply and is difficult to wake up, and also snores extremely loudly. Most of his visits were being ruined because I was lucky if I was getting 3 hours sleep a night. He'd also do the thing of watching videos on his phone and just couldn't get it in his head that the light from the screen was keeping me awake, even if he had the sound off/headphones on. I've never been able to use earplugs as I'm very prone to getting ear infections.

In the end I totally lost my rag and told him - as it is my home he doesn't get to decide - that going forward we would be sleeping in separate rooms. I've put a good sofa bed in the living room and he sleeps in there. If he wants to stay up doom scrolling or whatever he now does it and I'm not disturbed. It's the only solution that has worked.

FreeRider · 23/06/2024 09:59

@Clingfilm I wake up even if someone just walks into the room - they don't have to say or do anything. Partner didn't believe it either until it had happened more than once. Believe me, I wish it wasn't the case, I'd like to sleep like I'm in a coma!

80smonster · 23/06/2024 10:00

Separate rooms. Try taking an antihistamine before bed, it makes you drowsy, let you husband deal with kiddos in the night for a while? If he is more awake at night (and you in the morning), it would make sense to divide/rota according to sleeping patterns?

SwordToFlamethrower · 23/06/2024 10:02

Kick him out. He can sleep in the spare room. Why should you be punished, he is the one at fault

GrumpyPanda · 23/06/2024 10:15

Commonsense22 · 23/06/2024 08:04

Sorry but it still doesn't make sense to me.
It's important not to let one's own restrictions overly negatively impact one's partner or others on general. Your approach sounds completely self-centered to me still.

Your reasons for not using ear plugs are just not really logical - they sound like they could easily he overcome. I honestly think that your expectations are really unreasonable.

Expecting a partner not to play music in bed or to turn all the lights on is "really unreasonable"? I've heard it all now. What happened to basic decency and consideratio ?

TriesNotToBeCynical · 23/06/2024 10:22

mummytrex · 23/06/2024 09:45

People will criticise the following as it is petty,but I had this with my husband and he didn't get it/forgot.

On one occasion of being woken up I explained irritably that going forward if he did if again I'd be keeping him awake.

I stayed true to my word. The next time I was woken up, once he settled down and fell asleep (immediately) I prodded him awake. And again and again etc until I could feel I was dropping off.

He wasn't amused (mad in fact) but couldn't say much. Since then I've not had any problems. He creeps into the bedroom like a ninja without waking me up!

Wouldn't work with everyone. Someone could wake me every 20 minutes throughout the night and I would go back to sleep within half a minute each time and feel none the worse for it. Everyone is different.

TargetPractice11 · 23/06/2024 10:44

Notstopoil · 23/06/2024 01:21

my partner does exactly the same, if I go to bed early because I’m tired….he comes to bed - but puts tv on.
he snores, he wants to cuddle, he’s up traipsing around at whatever hour.
we’ve had plenty of conversations about it. I don’t have an answer for you as I’m at struggling with the same. If I go to the spare room I get the guilt trip.
essentially I lose my shit every two weeks and end up in the spare from and the cycle starts again

Oh my god. Fuck this selfish man and his ridiculous guilt trip.

Like fuck would I be falling for this every two weeks.

Mynewnameis · 23/06/2024 10:46

Separate rooms here too. Otherwise we might be divorced ir deceased.

BurntBroccoli · 23/06/2024 15:12

pinkpedi · 23/06/2024 01:02

Seek help for your sleep. Personally I don't think 6 hours is that bad. I rarely get that
Separate bedrooms ... end of relationship I reckon.

Why would separate rooms mean the end of a marriage?
I think it's probably saved many. You can still be intimate and loving without needing to sleep right next to someone.

BurntBroccoli · 23/06/2024 15:17

Notstopoil · 23/06/2024 01:21

my partner does exactly the same, if I go to bed early because I’m tired….he comes to bed - but puts tv on.
he snores, he wants to cuddle, he’s up traipsing around at whatever hour.
we’ve had plenty of conversations about it. I don’t have an answer for you as I’m at struggling with the same. If I go to the spare room I get the guilt trip.
essentially I lose my shit every two weeks and end up in the spare from and the cycle starts again

He puts the Tv on when he comes to bed!!! No way could I deal with that!
He clearly has no respect for you.

XChrome · 23/06/2024 15:26

Girlmom35 · 23/06/2024 06:39

Thank you for all the replies that this post got overnight. Nice to know I wasn't the only one awake last night.

I took in and read all of the replies. Regarding earplugs, I replied earlier.
I did move into the guestroom last night and I'm planning on taking your advice. I will be prioritizing my health and my sleep from now on, because they outweigh 'sadness' on his end. I'm planning to have a number of fixed days a week where I sleep here. If (or when) I wake up early, I can always join him in our bed for a while. I loved the idea of having a visual checklist on the bedroom door for the remaining days. I'm going to make one more attempt at having a conversation with him about my sleep needs and really try to explain what I need from him. If he doesn't get it, I will be sleeping in the guestroom permanently from now on.
To be clear to the people who are more critical of me. I get that I may sound restrictive. You may have partners who sleep well, so you're both lucky you don't have to be considerate of their sleep quality. I don't choose to wake up at the smallest sound. I just do. And I've spent the past 4 out of 5 years functioning on less than 3 hours of sleep on an average night, when my kids were babies and were terrible sleepers. So I'm not going to apologize for not willing to sacrifice any more of my sleep, especially for things that can easily be avoided. I don't tell my husband when he needs to come to bed. I ask him whether he's ready to come to bed with me, or else if one of us can sleep in the guestroom in case he wants to come to bed later.
The things I do to make my marriage a happy and healthy one, take a lot more consideration and empathy from me than this. If that's not something you're willing to do for your spouse, then why be married at all?

Good for you and excellent response to the posters who were nasty.

IWantThisSoMuch · 23/06/2024 15:30

Separate rooms all the way. He can learn not to be a dick. No why would my DH accidentally play music or leave his phone on noisy playing with it or open a can of soda in the bedroom or put all the lights on. Enjoy your sleep!

XChrome · 23/06/2024 15:38

Commonsense22 · 23/06/2024 08:04

Sorry but it still doesn't make sense to me.
It's important not to let one's own restrictions overly negatively impact one's partner or others on general. Your approach sounds completely self-centered to me still.

Your reasons for not using ear plugs are just not really logical - they sound like they could easily he overcome. I honestly think that your expectations are really unreasonable.

Give it a rest. She's not being "self-centered" to want a good night's sleep FFS. Lots of people can't stand earplugs and I am one of them. Nobody cares whether you think it's "logical" or not.

WhyamInotvomiting · 23/06/2024 16:10

It's exactly the same here OP except DH also snores and usually wakes me at least a few times a night snoring. He didn't snore when I met him, it only started when I was pregnant with DC1 who is now 6. We also don't have a spare bedroom so there is no option but to share a bed and we only have a standard double due to finances/space.

I do wear ear plugs a lot though. My DH is a decently heavy sleeper but not so much that he'd sleep through our 6yo coming into the bedroom and waking him if she needed something/sick/bad dream. We also have a baby monitor for our 2yo and even on a low volume of 2/5 he would still wake up if toddler was full on crying upset. I also wake to both of these things 90 per cent of the time even WITH ear plugs in anyway. But I do still sleep better with the earplugs overall.

It does my head in. When I'm very tired or have a migraine I go to bed early like say 9pm. Without fail my DH seems unable to got to bed at a reasonable time without me chivvying him so those days he doesn't usually turn up til somewhere between midnight and 2am. He always wakes me coming to bed but I still got like up to 5hrs uninterrupted sleep in that first block alone then which is more than I usually get when he's beside me. I get waken up so many times a night and 9/10 it's from him, usually the snoring.

Ilovelurchers · 23/06/2024 19:10

XChrome · 23/06/2024 03:45

Obviously, you are as unable to empathize with her being a light sleeper as her husband is. These aren't "rules." They are legitimate needs. He, otoh, does not need to open drinks in the bed and turn all the lights all while she's sleeping.
Saying she deserves to be left because she is a light sleeper is nasty and ridiculous. You're not helping by making remarks like that.
Develop some empathy, FFS.

Ooh, bit harsh! I was actually empathising with the husband - is that allowed?

And I didn't say "she deserves to be left", I said I, personally, would leave somebody who took the approach towards me that OP takes to her husband, and who spoke about me as she speaks about him in her posts.

(But it wouldn't arise because I doubt I would be with OP in the first place. From the impression of her I get in these posts we are very different people.)

Why so aggressive towards me tho - all of the "FFS"? All I am is a total stranger expressing an opinion different to yours about another poster's problem - why does that enrage you like this?

I imagine being as light as sleeper as OP is is quite tough. If I was in her situation I would reluctantly move into the spare room having tried everything else I could think of first to improve my sleeping. And I would make sure I did everything possible to keep the physical affection and intimacy alive in my marriage, even tho we slept apart, and make sure my husband knew I still loved him.

(If I did).

Is that ok?

Terrribletwos · 23/06/2024 19:13

Girlmom35 · 23/06/2024 00:30

So, I'll start off by saying I'm a light sleeper. Always have been. I remember laying awake for hours as a kid. I have trouble falling asleep. The slightest noise wakes me up and once I'm awake, I don't fall asleep again easily. And most mornings, no matter how tired I am, I'll be awake 30 minutes before my alarm goes off. I've learned to live with little sleep, especially since motherhood. Although motherhood has helped in a way, because I'm so tired now that I do actually fall asleep faster.

My husband will fall asleep in an instant, and not wake up unless something big happens. He sleeps well and deeply and will sometimes sleep through the alarm or needs to be waken up multiple times. I envy him. He also has some autistic traits, like empathy being difficult for him. Unless he experiences something himself, he will have trouble understanding how someone else feels. This is where I need help. I have tried to talk to him every way that I can about needing more uninterrupted sleep, but he keeps not taking it seriously.

Every night it's something.
I will say that I'm heading off to bed and ask if he'll come too. Because if he walks in an hour later, he will do something stupid like turn all the bedroom lights on, or drop something on the floor. He doesn't get that if I wake up, it will take me an hour to fall asleep again. He will say he's right behind me, but then get distracted and come to bed late, when I specifically asked him not to.
Or he will come to bed with me, but decide he wants to fiddle on his phone before going to sleep. And I just know that at some point he'll open an app with sound and wake me up when I've just fallen asleep. This is despite me asking him repeatedly to check whether his phone sound is off before going to bed. Or he'll open a can of soda in the middle of the night.

I just can't take it anymore. Every night I beg him to please let me sleep. To be careful not to drop anything, not to play videos with sound on. And every single night he ends up costing me at least an hour of sleep. He apologizes, but then he expects me to just turn around and go back to sleep. I can't. I'm running on 5-6 hours of sleep and I'm exhausted.

Why do I not go to bed earlier? If I go to bed too early, I just end up laying awake. I wish I could. I need to be really tired before I can fall asleep.
Why I don't use earplugs? I have a 2 year old and a 5 year old and I'm not comfortable not being able to hear them in case they wake up crying from a bad dream, or if they get sick.
We have a guest bedroom with a very comfy bed. I know I might have to resort to sleeping there if this doesn't get better. I've asked my husband to go sleep there if he comes to bed late, and he will do that when I specifically ask him to. But when we sleep apart for a few days he gets sad and says he misses me. And honestly I would really prefer to sleep next to my husband as well.

And please don't set the MN maffia on me to tell me I need to leave my husband. He's a good husband and father in most other areas. We all have our flaws. I'm asking for advice on how I can get through to him so I can sleep next to the man I love and still get more than 6 hours of sleep every night.

Yes, just do separate bedrooms!

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/06/2024 19:15

But I have very well behaved kids who take the 'don''t come out of bed at night' rule very seriously and will stay in bed and cry, very quietly I might add.

OK I've lost all sympathy for you now - your poor kids. I can't imagine being so matter of fact about my daughter quietly crying in her bed because she's 'not allowed' to get out of bed to get help or comfort.

Briocheloaf · 23/06/2024 19:22

I can’t believe you are clearly suffering, you have the solution (a spare room) and you are being guilt tripped into not choosing your own health and well-being. Madness. My DH sleeps in the spare room, we both get a better sleep because of it.

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 23/06/2024 20:16

Your h is a selfish twat.

If I go up to bed after h, I creep around, go to bed silently.

Putting on TV, opening drinks cans etc is just selfish fuckwittery.

Doesn't matter if your h is 'sad'. Tough shit.

HopelesslyOptimistic · 23/06/2024 20:37

Jesus separate rooms surely.

Girlmom35 · 23/06/2024 20:38

Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/06/2024 19:15

But I have very well behaved kids who take the 'don''t come out of bed at night' rule very seriously and will stay in bed and cry, very quietly I might add.

OK I've lost all sympathy for you now - your poor kids. I can't imagine being so matter of fact about my daughter quietly crying in her bed because she's 'not allowed' to get out of bed to get help or comfort.

I think you misunderstood!
I'm not actually happy that my daughter is doing this. I didn't teach her to. I've tried explaining to her several times that she's allowed to come to me in emergencies, like when she's scared or has a bad dream of when she's sick. She just doesn't. Which is why I don't wear earplugs, so I can hear her at night and go to her to comfort her.
She's a very sensitive kid who shuts down when she's emotionally overwhelmed, rather than reaching out for help.
This was however very off topic of my sleep issues, so I didn't elaborate in my previous post.

OP posts:
Bumblebeestiltskin · 23/06/2024 20:56

Oh, OK, I thought the 'don't get out of bed at night' rule was an actual rule set by you/your husband.

In that case, you have my sympathy again, sorry 😂

Pinkbonbon · 23/06/2024 21:01

I'd have moved to the selerate room long before now.

Im an OK sleeper but still wouldn't share a room with someone all night if they tend to wake me. Or if they snore.

Sleep is important.

BeyondMyWits · 23/06/2024 21:12

I am a light sleeper too. Dh was waking me up because he takes his trousers off REALLY noisily (I know... I know... stupid thing to get uptight about) So he gets ready in the spare room and slips silently into bed... could he just get ready , do his phone watching etc in the spare room, then slip into bed to sleep?