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Anyone else trying not not to contact a guy part 2??

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YouAreAllMySymmetry · 20/06/2024 21:51

Hey loves @namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 and whoever else I can think of.

How we all doing?

I'm having a weird night; I've been drinking and guess what skill it reminded me I've developed: crying out of one eye. It means that people generally don't notice, in the car, or lying on the couch or in bed.

That's sad, isn't it.

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Thewookiemustgo · 07/07/2024 10:35

@namechangeforthis5 I don’t mean this in a derogatory way, I have to watch myself with this one, are you a ‘people pleaser’ or have people pleasing tendencies? In other words, do you feel bad if you think your actions, the way you are treating someone, might be misconstrued as ‘mean’, regardless of how they are treating you?
Do you make excuses for the way others treat you and minimise their negatives whilst exaggerating yours?
He seems to give you next to nothing, yet you worry about how he views your communication or lack of it? I think you are a source of ego food and validation for him, he might well be a source of validation for you. When he bothers to notice you, you are on a high, when he doesn’t you obsess, worry about how he viewed your last message, worry that he might think you are being mean to him.
I don’t think he’s doing anything of the sort, he’s getting on with his life, not thinking about you, until he needs a bit of a boost or he gets a message from you.
Make a list of the positives about this situation. Attention from him makes you feel good, it fills some boredom, it adds excitement to a humdrum day, it makes you feel attractive, maybe? Negatives: this ‘harmless’ fun could blow up my life, change it forever, end my marriage, my husband would never see me as the same person or fully trust me again, most of the time this situation makes me unhappy etc etc plus: this man actually does and provides nowhere near what my husband does for me day in day out and doesn’t really care at the end of the day whether I’m there or not like my husband does.
This man isn’t worth your worries about him, he’s the puppet master in control of a perfect situation who could disappear at any time with no consequences or a backwards glance.
My husband’s affair lasted so long because (his words)
“She was easy, she made everything so easy for me. She wanted the contact and the affair to continue so she never complained about how much or little she got. I’m not at all proud of any of this, but she thought she was special to me when actually, she could have been anybody ”
Many men who do this stuff are doing it in a bubble. You are in a compartment Namechange, a Lego brick attached to his life which is a nice fancy Lego mod to it but not a vital piece.
You sound like a nice person Namechange, don’t let him use you. Until he changes his behaviour he’s not a very nice guy worth all this crap at all.

LAMLC2011 · 07/07/2024 12:40

@Thewookiemustgo Woah, I needed that speech too. Thanks. You're 100% correct in my situation too.

namechangeforthis5 · 07/07/2024 12:45

@Thewookiemustgo i definitely needed that. Nail on head there. Thank you. You’re such a good person too x

NameChangeAgainforthe1000thTime · 07/07/2024 15:48

Can I join?

I feel so bloody ridiculous! And annoyed with myself! Long story incoming…

So around 6 years ago I joined one of those music fan pages on Facebook. Really friendly group of people, very respectful and it was only really talk about the band in question or artists you may also like if you enjoy said band.

Fast forward a few months and some bright spark had the idea that we could make a chat with our Instagram handles and follow each other on there.
I thought well I don’t see the harm and added mine. A few people follow, all people I’d chatted to on there before… and then this guy who I recognised from the group but had never previously chatted too. Ok, I’ll follow him too because it’s going to look rude if I don’t after putting my name down for it.

A few months pass and he messages me. His profile doesn’t give much away. No actual pictures of him on the main page, one or two group shots on the tagged bit where I was unsure of which one he actually was and a profile picture with his back to the camera. Also quite clearly he lives on the other side of the world!

I was completely uninterested! Made polite chit chat and ignored the first message that didn’t require a response. Few months pass… it happens again! Then again… and again! Usually with a few months break in between. I get into a habit. Ignore 70% of them, stick an emoji on 15% and reply to the other 15% but with no questions and I eventually end up not replying after one or two messages. I should have blocked but he was never creepy or sleazy so I felt like it would be harsh.

Fast forward 6 years, still in the same pattern and me genuinely baffled thinking he’d have stopped by now! I wake up to a video message. He’s never done that before! I didn’t open it… the last thing I wanted was to unintentionally open a wanking video! Days pass and he starts sending reels and memes, I feel I have to look… and it’s him… driving home from work… talking about how bad the weather is… not even remotely what I was expecting! The weirdest part was that it was so familiar! Like he was talking to a friend. If it wasn’t for the fact he’d sent things afterwards obviously prompting me to look I’d have thought he’d accidentally sent it to the wrong person.

Anyway, to cut a long story short we start messaging. Sometimes video messages, sometimes voice messages… then it turned into video calls which turned into sexting etc. I started to really like talking to him and while he never exactly went cold I felt like he took a small step back when he realised I was into it too. I tried to ghost him a few times (I know it’s not the adult way of dealing with things). I felt like he could be very hot/cold and that kind of contact makes me extremely anxious, which in turn makes me want to run for the hills. We’d have a few days of frequent messaging then I’d not hear from him or he’d send me a crap placeholder type meme. I called him out on it a few times and he’d promise to be better but it would end up the same.

Which leads us to now… please no judgement! At the beginning of the week he video called. Which lead to video chat sex? Virtual sex? I really don’t know what you’d call it! Fine, I was into it and it was fun. What followed directly afterwards was three days of cold behaviour. Pretty much no messages. Maybe a pointless meme but that was it. This hurt. I guess I’d had him down as better than that which is stupid really because it’s not like I know him.

I did end up messaging this morning asking why the silent treatment and he did start messaging again but something pissed me off. He said something like ‘always reach out’ and I just replied something like, yes but I don’t want to be the one always reaching out. I was colder than usual to him and now I just don’t want to speak to him again. It dawned on me that he’s 12 years older and the silence after the other night has made me feel a bit icky. You can’t be clueless enough to think that’s a nice way to behave! He’s always seemed so nice and genuinely upset when I’ve called him out on behaviour I didn’t like.

Eurghhhhh!

NeedToAskPlease · 07/07/2024 18:53

Thewookiemustgo · 07/07/2024 10:35

@namechangeforthis5 I don’t mean this in a derogatory way, I have to watch myself with this one, are you a ‘people pleaser’ or have people pleasing tendencies? In other words, do you feel bad if you think your actions, the way you are treating someone, might be misconstrued as ‘mean’, regardless of how they are treating you?
Do you make excuses for the way others treat you and minimise their negatives whilst exaggerating yours?
He seems to give you next to nothing, yet you worry about how he views your communication or lack of it? I think you are a source of ego food and validation for him, he might well be a source of validation for you. When he bothers to notice you, you are on a high, when he doesn’t you obsess, worry about how he viewed your last message, worry that he might think you are being mean to him.
I don’t think he’s doing anything of the sort, he’s getting on with his life, not thinking about you, until he needs a bit of a boost or he gets a message from you.
Make a list of the positives about this situation. Attention from him makes you feel good, it fills some boredom, it adds excitement to a humdrum day, it makes you feel attractive, maybe? Negatives: this ‘harmless’ fun could blow up my life, change it forever, end my marriage, my husband would never see me as the same person or fully trust me again, most of the time this situation makes me unhappy etc etc plus: this man actually does and provides nowhere near what my husband does for me day in day out and doesn’t really care at the end of the day whether I’m there or not like my husband does.
This man isn’t worth your worries about him, he’s the puppet master in control of a perfect situation who could disappear at any time with no consequences or a backwards glance.
My husband’s affair lasted so long because (his words)
“She was easy, she made everything so easy for me. She wanted the contact and the affair to continue so she never complained about how much or little she got. I’m not at all proud of any of this, but she thought she was special to me when actually, she could have been anybody ”
Many men who do this stuff are doing it in a bubble. You are in a compartment Namechange, a Lego brick attached to his life which is a nice fancy Lego mod to it but not a vital piece.
You sound like a nice person Namechange, don’t let him use you. Until he changes his behaviour he’s not a very nice guy worth all this crap at all.

Parts of this really resonated with me

I'm not in a relationship with anyone but alot of this was so true

NeedToAskPlease · 07/07/2024 18:57

NameChangeAgainforthe1000thTime · 07/07/2024 15:48

Can I join?

I feel so bloody ridiculous! And annoyed with myself! Long story incoming…

So around 6 years ago I joined one of those music fan pages on Facebook. Really friendly group of people, very respectful and it was only really talk about the band in question or artists you may also like if you enjoy said band.

Fast forward a few months and some bright spark had the idea that we could make a chat with our Instagram handles and follow each other on there.
I thought well I don’t see the harm and added mine. A few people follow, all people I’d chatted to on there before… and then this guy who I recognised from the group but had never previously chatted too. Ok, I’ll follow him too because it’s going to look rude if I don’t after putting my name down for it.

A few months pass and he messages me. His profile doesn’t give much away. No actual pictures of him on the main page, one or two group shots on the tagged bit where I was unsure of which one he actually was and a profile picture with his back to the camera. Also quite clearly he lives on the other side of the world!

I was completely uninterested! Made polite chit chat and ignored the first message that didn’t require a response. Few months pass… it happens again! Then again… and again! Usually with a few months break in between. I get into a habit. Ignore 70% of them, stick an emoji on 15% and reply to the other 15% but with no questions and I eventually end up not replying after one or two messages. I should have blocked but he was never creepy or sleazy so I felt like it would be harsh.

Fast forward 6 years, still in the same pattern and me genuinely baffled thinking he’d have stopped by now! I wake up to a video message. He’s never done that before! I didn’t open it… the last thing I wanted was to unintentionally open a wanking video! Days pass and he starts sending reels and memes, I feel I have to look… and it’s him… driving home from work… talking about how bad the weather is… not even remotely what I was expecting! The weirdest part was that it was so familiar! Like he was talking to a friend. If it wasn’t for the fact he’d sent things afterwards obviously prompting me to look I’d have thought he’d accidentally sent it to the wrong person.

Anyway, to cut a long story short we start messaging. Sometimes video messages, sometimes voice messages… then it turned into video calls which turned into sexting etc. I started to really like talking to him and while he never exactly went cold I felt like he took a small step back when he realised I was into it too. I tried to ghost him a few times (I know it’s not the adult way of dealing with things). I felt like he could be very hot/cold and that kind of contact makes me extremely anxious, which in turn makes me want to run for the hills. We’d have a few days of frequent messaging then I’d not hear from him or he’d send me a crap placeholder type meme. I called him out on it a few times and he’d promise to be better but it would end up the same.

Which leads us to now… please no judgement! At the beginning of the week he video called. Which lead to video chat sex? Virtual sex? I really don’t know what you’d call it! Fine, I was into it and it was fun. What followed directly afterwards was three days of cold behaviour. Pretty much no messages. Maybe a pointless meme but that was it. This hurt. I guess I’d had him down as better than that which is stupid really because it’s not like I know him.

I did end up messaging this morning asking why the silent treatment and he did start messaging again but something pissed me off. He said something like ‘always reach out’ and I just replied something like, yes but I don’t want to be the one always reaching out. I was colder than usual to him and now I just don’t want to speak to him again. It dawned on me that he’s 12 years older and the silence after the other night has made me feel a bit icky. You can’t be clueless enough to think that’s a nice way to behave! He’s always seemed so nice and genuinely upset when I’ve called him out on behaviour I didn’t like.

Eurghhhhh!

If you've got the icky then it's definitely time to stop all contact.

FloydPink · 07/07/2024 22:54

Back on no contact - so far the best we have managed is about 36 hours, both of us are equally bad at breaking it, but have a feeling she will be stronger this time.

To be fair she probably does need to work out how much she misses me (her decision to end things), but it will be tough not to have little chit chat and see how her day is going.

Teenagekicksmyass · 08/07/2024 17:00

Well it was my first day back at work today, seeing him. He pointedly never asked me if I’d had a nice holiday or anything and never spoke to me directly.

I was polite but kept my head down and didn’t engage in any real conversation. So I got through the day at least.

Now I’ve left work though I’m wondering why he never asked about my holiday, hoping it’s because he’s maybe jealous or something. Which is ridiculous I know. I am feeling the urge to text him, but I know I won’t do.

Just have to concentrate on each day as it comes now I suppose.

NeedToAskPlease · 08/07/2024 19:08

Teenagekicksmyass · 08/07/2024 17:00

Well it was my first day back at work today, seeing him. He pointedly never asked me if I’d had a nice holiday or anything and never spoke to me directly.

I was polite but kept my head down and didn’t engage in any real conversation. So I got through the day at least.

Now I’ve left work though I’m wondering why he never asked about my holiday, hoping it’s because he’s maybe jealous or something. Which is ridiculous I know. I am feeling the urge to text him, but I know I won’t do.

Just have to concentrate on each day as it comes now I suppose.

Maybe he just wasn't interested enough to ask how it was?

NeedToAskPlease · 08/07/2024 19:13

Well... after two weeks of nothing... I'm now in the pissed off and angry stage..... and when l'm like this my fingers twitch and l send quite harsh...but truthful messages.

Which l have done.

I deserve so much more then how he's treating me and I've basically told him that he's full of shit.

I'm not looking forward to his response as l will feel bad by then for being shitty towards him...

It will be the end now and I've really got to come to terms with that and how l have made it that way with my message.

PrincessMee · 09/07/2024 00:23

@Teenagekicksmyass he didn't ask because it didn't involve him. It's really that simple.

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 10:05

@NeedToAskPlease try to resist. My last message to my TO was ‘not playing’ as I told him I’d had time to think and he said what are your thoughts but he wouldn’t tell me his. His reply was ‘ok’. Looking back in pleased I kept it polite and to the point as I think the anger just wraps us up in knots. If you want to pm me what you want to say to him please do.
@PrincessMee im having a similar situation with my colleague. She tried to get me in a lot of trouble making accusations about me. I have resolved to keep conversation about work and general stuff like the weather etc. I didn’t ask about her holiday but neither did she acknowledge the work I’d covered. Maybe he just wants to keep it to the point. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to have to see him at work though. We had one falling out whilst he still worked where I do and I remember thinking he was giving me a look like he hated me. He told me later he was thinking about how much he wanted to f**k me 🙄😆. Honestly they only have one way of thinking and they don’t care.

FloydPink · 09/07/2024 10:28

So that lasted about 24 hours, although it seemed a genuine reason as she had a jumper of mine and had a hole in so I told her to chuck it. But then a message back saying "I loved you in this jumper" and then a joke (as its black like Milk tray man) about how will I deliver chocs now!

Have not responded.

NeedToAskPlease · 09/07/2024 10:30

FloydPink · 09/07/2024 10:28

So that lasted about 24 hours, although it seemed a genuine reason as she had a jumper of mine and had a hole in so I told her to chuck it. But then a message back saying "I loved you in this jumper" and then a joke (as its black like Milk tray man) about how will I deliver chocs now!

Have not responded.

She's trying to reminisce to tug at your heart strings, which is unfair

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 11:30

@FloydPink I agree. She’s playing with your head. It’s hugely unfair. Well done for not responding

Teenagekicksmyass · 09/07/2024 14:28

PrincessMee · 09/07/2024 00:23

@Teenagekicksmyass he didn't ask because it didn't involve him. It's really that simple.

You are absolutely right I know.

I’m doing better today. Bumped into him outside at lunch and managed to just say hello and keep on walking…..

He’s sat behind me in the office so I can hear him but not actually see him unless I turn round

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 16:14

Teenagekicksmyass · 09/07/2024 14:28

You are absolutely right I know.

I’m doing better today. Bumped into him outside at lunch and managed to just say hello and keep on walking…..

He’s sat behind me in the office so I can hear him but not actually see him unless I turn round

Well done. I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. I’ve had some massive wobbles lately and this group has got me through it. Keep talking to us x

LAMLC2011 · 09/07/2024 16:20

Can I say where I'm at...so OM is not blocked and we do still watch each others stories on sm but we've not messaged for 13 weeks.
I definitely will not be messaging him and for the sake of my mental health and for the future of my marriage I really hope he doesn't message me. . . . and yet deep down I want to hear from him, I want him to want me.
I can easily not contact him first but if (big if!) he messages me first then I will reply, I know I will.
Messed up isn't it 😒

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 16:27

I’m similar to you apart from the social media and it’s been five weeks. It’s messed up yes but it’s going to be okay.

NeedToAskPlease · 09/07/2024 19:46

LAMLC2011 · 09/07/2024 16:20

Can I say where I'm at...so OM is not blocked and we do still watch each others stories on sm but we've not messaged for 13 weeks.
I definitely will not be messaging him and for the sake of my mental health and for the future of my marriage I really hope he doesn't message me. . . . and yet deep down I want to hear from him, I want him to want me.
I can easily not contact him first but if (big if!) he messages me first then I will reply, I know I will.
Messed up isn't it 😒

I totally get it as l desperately want to hear from mine... and for him to say all the right things and to meet me half way doing stuff that will make me feel happy and secure in our situationship ..... but l know he is incapable of even meeting me a quarter of the way.... so l wish l knew why he has such a hold on me

PrincessMee · 09/07/2024 20:53

I would say think back over the times they have done or said things that you thought were flattering at the time . Eg wanting to see you when you were not available, trying to get you to change plans or times to suit them, not messaging when you expected them to, making an arrangement then cancelling, being terse when messaging, making a last minute arrangement. Do you see what it was about? Control and making themselves feel good.

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 22:02

@PrincessMee has great advice. Last week I was struggling a lot and I had similar advice and there’s way more times he’s upset me than made me happy.

NeedToAskPlease · 09/07/2024 22:18

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 22:02

@PrincessMee has great advice. Last week I was struggling a lot and I had similar advice and there’s way more times he’s upset me than made me happy.

Yes, same here.

namechangeforthis5 · 09/07/2024 22:42

And I’m thinking about all the shit he’s said that gave me the massive ick

LizaMinnellisFurCoat · 10/07/2024 15:57

I reached over 8 weeks with no contact, unless it was strictly a business issue. During that time, I ignored all personal questions and was absolutely professional. I'm still not messaging him, but we did run into each other at the end of last week in the canteen. We chatted briefly in the queue about our summer plans and then parted ways. It was nice. Neither of us has messaged each other since and I still don't intend to. The attraction’s gone for me and I'm not wondering if or what he's thinking about me. It's just a nice memory now and I'm leaving it there. I just feel quite peaceful.

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