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Anyone else trying not not to contact a guy part 2??

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YouAreAllMySymmetry · 20/06/2024 21:51

Hey loves @namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 and whoever else I can think of.

How we all doing?

I'm having a weird night; I've been drinking and guess what skill it reminded me I've developed: crying out of one eye. It means that people generally don't notice, in the car, or lying on the couch or in bed.

That's sad, isn't it.

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LAMLC2011 · 21/08/2024 16:04

"Mine" is someone I had a EA with 13 years who remained a friend we (mutual to me and dh) rarely saw. Who then turned into a crush of mine again after texting early last year - essentially he likes the ego boost, I like the "excitement" but I've since realised he doesn't care about me and only causes me extreme anxiety. So I say "OM" but he's not really. He's a friendship gone wrong!

namechangeforthis5 · 21/08/2024 19:24

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 21/08/2024 15:15

I just use mine as shorthand on this thread for 'the guy I'm talking about'. I'm definitely not going to use his name so it's just easy.

Same here. He’s not my anything

namechangeforthis5 · 21/08/2024 19:27

@Thewookiemustgo i won’t quote your whole post but gosh you really do make me think. Harsh but true and effective and what I need to hear. Once I mentioned the guy and my husband started asking questions. I said he was just an old friend who occasionally texted and DH was fine but honestly it really scared me and made me feel awful so that was bad enough. I’m feeling stronger than ever now and I know I must seem pathetic. You’ve been through so much and still give your time to us and that is so appreciated

namechangeforthis5 · 21/08/2024 19:33

Also I genuinely tried to just text him as a friend and he started asking me about my sex life etc which I did not feel comfortable with. We’d agree to keep it clean and he’d just bring it back to smut and say I was frigid.

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 21/08/2024 20:08

We that's pretty unsubtle @namechangeforthis5

At least mine just sent me slightly suggestive music 😂

namechangeforthis5 · 21/08/2024 20:19

😂 it was ages ago but just explaining I have tried my best

Thewookiemustgo · 21/08/2024 21:49

@namechangeforthis5 I’m so sorry if you found it harsh, I wasn’t trying to be harsh, I’d never do that to anyone. I just wanted to describe the reality of an affair discovery, it’s a horror show that usually causes those involved to wish they’d never, ever done it. Nobody has any idea how bad it is without going through it. I have and I stand by everything I wrote.
I just dread others going through what I’ve been through for essentially nothing. That’s the terrible thing, I’ve never personally talked to anybody who has had any kind of limerant affair (in real life, plus many posters who contact me anonymously in private messages on here) that got discovered, say “Oh yeah, it was so worth it, I’m really glad I had my affair, it’s done wonders for everybody.” They regret it bitterly, want nothing more to do with their former affair partner, with hindsight see how ridiculous it was and want to stay with their family and get their lives back. So the whole thing was for what? To achieve what? Nothing. Everyone heartbroken and damaged ultimately for nothing.
My husband’s regret is permanent. He’ll never not regret what he did. He said during the affair he actively avoided thinking about what might happen if I found out or our children found out like the plague. He was riding high on his ego and dopamine from the flattery and illicit sex on tap at the snap of his fingers and didn’t want to come down. How to reconcile that awful guy with the good husband and father in his head? He had painted himself as a victim of a ‘dead’ marriage in his head, in order to be able to think that having an affair was justified and because I apparently ‘didn’t care about him’ I wouldn’t really get that hurt! He pushed it down or told himself I didn’t care about him really, so it wouldn’t be that bad.
He needed to get rid of the pain of the cognitive dissonance of still wanting to think he was a good person whilst simultaneously doing something he knew was bad. He’s told me this himself, it made him feel so shit to think about it that he tried to stop but when he couldn’t, he needed an excuse or a different narrative, so he minimised to himself what might happen, lied to himself and rewrote history to try to make what he was doing seem not that bad.
The photos from that year of his ‘dead marriage’ and wife and kids who ‘didn’t care’ and ‘took him for granted’ tell a totally different story, and the happiness he felt on our holidays, celebrations, anniversary dinner etc was real. That’s why he (and actually the majority of discovered husbands) never really wanted to leave, and the hastily dumped affair partner gets left scratching their heads as to why any guy would want to rush back to the allegedly awful home life they said they had. If it was that bad and they were desperate to leave and would leave straightaway if they got found out, what the hell caused the about turn? Because most of what affair partners get told is bollocks and only ‘true’ in the affair context. “I love you” makes sense in the high of the affair situation but sounds like nonsense when the shit hits the fan and all you want is to go home and love your devastated wife and kids. Reality tells a different story.
Guys who really love their affair partners leave to be with them and usually always wanted out of their marriage, the affair gives them the impetus and tangible reason to actually do it. As I have said many times, people can say any old shit to anybody but in the end will do what they actually want to do, regardless of bullshit promises.
You are NOT pathetic, you’re in the grip of a limerant obsession, the ‘relationship’ with this guy has given you an ego boost, made you feel genuinely good about yourself, made you feel good, brightened a routine, humdrum day and the dopamine rush is like a hit of a mind altering drug. It is hard to stop, hard to go cold turkey, but the reality is that this is a crutch, a temporary escape. In other words, not worth upending lives for.
Please, please don’t feel bad about yourself, you’re doing a good thing here and you’ve stayed away since June! That’s a lot of hard work for a very good reason and you should boost your own self esteem with that fact, you don’t want to do this any more and you’re not. That’s more than enough proof that you’re a decent person who wants the best for their loved ones and themselves. Pathetic you are not.

namechangeforthis5 · 22/08/2024 07:40

Gosh @Thewookiemustgo ypu really don’t need to apologise. I meant harsh as in honest and blunt and what I needed to hear. Your input has been invaluable to me and thank you for taking the time to explain and for not judging me. 🙂

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 10:12

How we doing guys?

We've had a week of chatting on and off. Can't say it makes much difference really. He's in my head daily either way.

How is it possible that these feelings are not over. It's been years. Years. And he still lives in my head at least hourly.

Inawe81 · 24/08/2024 10:22

I have deleted his number and our message thread but I have a screenshot of our texts so I could technically add him on Whatsapp again but I'm not doing it. He did reach out 2 weeks ago with a very vague , hope you are well, text, but that doesn't cut it for me, so I ignored it. After how he behaved last time, he would need to do better than that if he wants a response.
But it's hard though because I still like him, so if I followed my heart I would be texting him and telling him how much I still like him.
But I'm a bit proud and stubborn with these things, so my pride and stubbornness is luckily overruling my heart. I really do hope he reaches out again. I just can't reply to the first breadcrumb i get from him after months of silence.

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 10:28

It's boring isn't it? I mean look at the mental gymnastics in all of our collective posts.

If he does this I'll do that, I'll delete him but not block him, I have his number written down somewhere...

I mean what in ALL FUCK are we doing ladies?! There is no universe in which men are having these thoughts and conversations about us. None.

LAMLC2011 · 24/08/2024 11:16

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 10:28

It's boring isn't it? I mean look at the mental gymnastics in all of our collective posts.

If he does this I'll do that, I'll delete him but not block him, I have his number written down somewhere...

I mean what in ALL FUCK are we doing ladies?! There is no universe in which men are having these thoughts and conversations about us. None.

You're so right!! I don't think 'mine' has given me a second thought yet I overthink about him often! We're fools!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 11:20

I stopped smoking yesterday. Hoping that rage will carry me through. Sorry in advance 😂

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 11:24

You know what doesn't help?

I'm just lonely. Somehow I've ended up in a place in life with no friends.

I don't know why.

But I don't remember the last time anyone and I mean anyone contacted me first. Or woke up and thought 'I wonder how IOnly is doing, would be nice have coffee/lunch/a drink with her'.

Nothing. I have hobbies that I am filling my weekends with but they're solo hobbies, so while they do have a purpose, and I love them, they don't touch the sides of the depth of my loneliness.

I think I'm quite fun? I'm smart, likeable possibly? But still here I am. 40s and friendless and utterly stupefyingly bored of my life.

If I could solve that he would evaporate in a cloud of dust I'm sure.

LAMLC2011 · 24/08/2024 11:25

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 11:20

I stopped smoking yesterday. Hoping that rage will carry me through. Sorry in advance 😂

Well done! I'm nearly 11 years quit, best thing I ever did. Have you read Allen Carr easy way to quit smoking? It worked for me! Not touched one (or vaped) since.

LAMLC2011 · 24/08/2024 11:26

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 11:24

You know what doesn't help?

I'm just lonely. Somehow I've ended up in a place in life with no friends.

I don't know why.

But I don't remember the last time anyone and I mean anyone contacted me first. Or woke up and thought 'I wonder how IOnly is doing, would be nice have coffee/lunch/a drink with her'.

Nothing. I have hobbies that I am filling my weekends with but they're solo hobbies, so while they do have a purpose, and I love them, they don't touch the sides of the depth of my loneliness.

I think I'm quite fun? I'm smart, likeable possibly? But still here I am. 40s and friendless and utterly stupefyingly bored of my life.

If I could solve that he would evaporate in a cloud of dust I'm sure.

I think friendships become less as we get older unfortunately, people are busy or they just want to sit at home. I'm 41 and I'm always the one reaching out to friends.

IOnlyNeedTheSilence · 24/08/2024 11:42

Yah I agree @LAMLC2011 people seem so shit now. My best friend has a lot going on, she really does have a lot of responsibilities to handle alone, so I try not to take up her time.

We text but that's it. And it's always initiated be me.

I'm sick of being the one to instigate contact but if I didn't...I would seriously never again speak to anyone I'm not immediately related to.

In other news I've had an amazing job opportunity come my way this week, so I'm really really hopeful I'll get an interview.

So there are good things.

Breathe woman, breathe.

LAMLC2011 · 24/08/2024 11:52

Ooh good luck! 😊

Frith2013 · 24/08/2024 13:09

I have lost count of how long it has been since I was last in contact with mine. I'm going to guess at 5 weeks today. It might be 6.

Feel nothing at all except very occasionally sudden bursts of anger at how I was treated.

Inawe81 · 24/08/2024 14:39

I'm trying to teach mine a lesson, I've been far too available and willing to see him again each time he has reached out and so ashamed to admit that one time I even slept with him the day after he got back in touch.
So if he thinks he can just write a generic text again and that I'm there for a cheap easy shag, then he's mistaken this time.
I'm taking my power back, yes ok I can't stop thinking about him and would love him to reach out again but he doesn't know that

Thewookiemustgo · 24/08/2024 17:21

@IOnlyNeedTheSilence has absolutely nailed it.
“Mental gymnastics” is spot on. I’m pretty good at a mental somersault with a double twist myself, we all do it, it helps us avoid the truth. It helps us find reasons to stay stuck in a situation or continuing a habit we know deep down is bad for us. We want to stop…but……
I defy anyone who has ever been on or contemplated starting a diet to deny they ever thought or said on a weekend, as they open the wine and stuff in a takeaway: “I’ll start on Monday.”
So, so hard to get honest with ourselves, but when we’re caught up in something that’s not adding to our happiness or our lives, we need to understand what it’s actually all about (possibly one of these: boredom/ self-esteem issues/ fear of loneliness/ wanting to feel wanted etc etc,) and make a firm decision to stop.
If you can’t stop, (you can, you just haven’t yet) I don’t believe you don’t know the real answer to the question “Why can’t I stop?” Find your answer.
Is it because “I like the way it makes me feel” or simply “Actually I know I should stop but I don’t really want to, and hand-wringing and writing about it gives me an excuse to feel like I’m doing something about it whilst all the while giving me an opportunity to think about and indulge myself even more.”
The only way to stop this is to stop. I’m sorry to state the bleedin’ obvious and I know how hard this is, I’ve suffered from full blown fully diagnosed OCD in the past, it’s very, very hard.
But: delete, delete, delete.
New message? Delete.
Contact details? Delete.
Work with them? Say what needs to be said for your job then end the conversation. Walk away.
Tempted and failed? Don’t beat yourself up, no point, it happened, BUT start again immediately. Delete, move on.
Too hard to just do immediately? Then aside one very limited number of minutes of the day to think about it all as much as you want, then the rest of the day you distract and divert your mind to other things. Anything. But do not engage with the thoughts that will crop up.
There is no real reason to keep details etc. None.
There is nothing rude or wrong about deleting / ghosting somebody who is being a social vampire, sucking the lifeblood out of you for an ego fix, then disappearing and getting back in their box and shutting the lid until they need to feed their hungry ego on more emotional fodder sucked out of you. Don’t let these utter arseholes control you like this, free yourself.
Delete. Delete. Delete.

Frith2013 · 24/08/2024 17:23

Inawe81 · 24/08/2024 14:39

I'm trying to teach mine a lesson, I've been far too available and willing to see him again each time he has reached out and so ashamed to admit that one time I even slept with him the day after he got back in touch.
So if he thinks he can just write a generic text again and that I'm there for a cheap easy shag, then he's mistaken this time.
I'm taking my power back, yes ok I can't stop thinking about him and would love him to reach out again but he doesn't know that

I'm not sure you can teach a lesson to someone who isn't remotely interested.

Inawe81 · 24/08/2024 18:32

@Frith2013 that's true, I doubt he's doing any of the mental gymnastics that I'm doing! You seem very strong which is great, the guy you were seeing sounds similar to my situationship.

@Thewookiemustgo so for me, I have usually no problems with walking away from someone who is messing me about , if I'm not really that into them. And I have also ghosted guys before or just told them I wasn't feeling it. So I know I'm not desperate and I also don't think I have low self esteem.
But sometimes I will meet someone and I will really like them, they will get under my skin and then all of a sudden, any boundaries that I would normally have with a guy , get bent or adjusted because I like the person so much and don't want to lose them so I let stuff slide when really I should block, delete and move on. It's not that I feel I can't get anyone else , it's just that whatever it is about that particular person , they have kind of got me hooked and so I tolerate stuff that I would just usually walk away and detach from. I have always been like this and I hate it. It can also take me months and months to get over a very short 2 month situationship for example.
So if someone starts breadcrumbing me and being flaky after a couple of dates, I just usually detach and stop replying if I'm not really into them but if it's someone I like that does this, I can't detach as long as they are still breadcrumbing me and so I reply etc , instead of seeing it for what it is. Think I need therapy.
Also to add, your input on this thread has been superb , you are so emotionally intelligent,

@the ( sorry can't delete this highlighted bit for some reason)

lazybrownfox · 24/08/2024 19:18

Stay away from the dick sand 😂

Thewookiemustgo · 25/08/2024 00:10

Thanks @Inawe81 . I was just throwing out suggestions as to what the answer to “why?” might be for anyone. Everyone has to find their own ‘why’ and all will be different. You sound like I was really, years ago. Tolerating stuff I’d dump other guys for if they’d got under my skin.
Decades later I had to fight with it again and cut out the mental gymnastics and get strict with myself. It was hard.
I stayed with my husband after his affair, something I’d always thought I’d never, ever do. Years ago before I met him, my last important relationship ended because of infidelity and it hurt like hell, but I finally dumped that guy after realising I was bending my truth into a pretzel and accepting utter crap just to not lose him. I swore I would never, ever do that again, and so on discovering my husband’s infidelity, I was not only in pieces, I was at total internal war with myself.
Was I doing it again? Tolerating stuff I shouldn’t? Was it sunk costs fallacy after 30 years together? Was I afraid to be alone? Didn’t want to devastate my children? How could I get through this and why even want to try?
I had always been certain that if my husband cheated he’d be out of the door immediately. No brainer. And of course I’d always know if he was cheating, I knew him better than anybody anyway. Women who said they never knew were in denial, believing all sorts of crap. Gullible. I’d always know, of course. Utter bollocks! I found out my smugness was all in vain, I knew nothing and wasn’t in denial or being gullible. It all happened at work in another city, he left home in the morning for his train and came back in the evening, nothing any different. I just trusted him completely, so apart from going to and from work, nothing was out of the ordinary. Nothing to see or notice or be in denial about. No change at home in his phone behaviour. Nothing. I extend my eternal apologies to all women I ever internally judged as being in denial or gullible. I was so wrong.
I knew nothing.
I didn’t recognise him. Me, who thought she knew him better than anyone. Such an internal battle and the outcome depended on a whole lot of stuff.
That’s a whole other story but it made me dig deep and find out my ‘why’ and insisted on him working out his ‘why’ and if he had still blamed me or the marriage, he’d have been out. Complex, probably irrelevant story but I told it because what you’ve described resonates with me, I’ve done it too.
I didn’t get therapy for this (probably should have) but I had therapy for other stuff in my life years ago and I read, read, read.
Here’s something I read that I use as a mantra if I catch myself allowing somebody to tread on my toes and push boundaries:
We get what we allow. What we allow will continue and what continues will escalate.
It’s simple but so true. If we allow stuff it gets worse and the horrible truth is, that it’s not happening to us, it’s happening because of us, because we allow it to. We could stop it but we don’t.
We are our own worst enemies sometimes and give too much power and head space to people who don’t deserve it.
Another mantra of mine I read was: “Don’t allow folk to live in your head rent-free”
My head has been like a whole apartment block of freeloaders at one time or another. Hope you find your peace and your way out.

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