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Anyone else trying not not to contact a guy part 2??

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YouAreAllMySymmetry · 20/06/2024 21:51

Hey loves @namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 and whoever else I can think of.

How we all doing?

I'm having a weird night; I've been drinking and guess what skill it reminded me I've developed: crying out of one eye. It means that people generally don't notice, in the car, or lying on the couch or in bed.

That's sad, isn't it.

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Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 09:11

Wow. What a thread. Have read it all and the previous one. It has helped me a lot.

Firstly reading all your stories has certainly put things in perspective. Some of you are being treated like absolute dirt and you need to stop all contact NOW. These people are no good for you and stopping you meeting somebody who is. As somebody said. Silence is the killer. Just be silent. They don’t deserve your words. They are simply getting off on it all. @FloydPink holy moly ditch this utter cow now. She’s a HORRIBLE woman. And @Frith2013 similar. This guy is trash. Utter trash. Block and don’t go back. He’s a headfuck. Makes me so angry just reading it all. It’s so freaking obvious.

Now to my story. I am on my second marriage - my first husband cheated on me so I ditched him. My second husband was a long distance relationship during Covid. But he got more and more controlling. Moved over here. And basically was not very nice to me and tried to control me. I ended up completely out of the blue kissing somebody else about 5 months ago who is married. It completely surprised me. My therapist said it was my way of getting out of the horrible situation I was in. OM was also not happy. Yep classic story. We had the most wild rollercoaster of a lovely time for about 5 months. We genuinely had feelings about each other. Deeply. But we were going round in circles. He is a bit immature and couldn’t bring himself to do the right thing. And similarly with me. My DH found out about us and has spent about 3 months trying to work on himself to put our marriage right. He is kind to me because he recognises that it was his controlling behaviour that got us here. After a few times of trying to cut it off with OM we finally said goodbye last week. And it’s killing me. My DH is trying so so hard and I am just going to fake it until I make it. Irony being that what he is doing now I would have died for a year ago as I love him so much but he did so many things to hurt me and it’s all coming out in couples therapy. Have been NC for 4 days and it feels like a lifetime. But I am NOT going to crack. The only reason I would ever let him back into my life is if he grows up and leaves his wife. It’s all too painful. I love that somebody said if he leaves you hungry then leave them starving. He loves me. I know he does. But I am not going to take scraps and go round in circles anymore. This thread has helped me a lot so thank you. Will keep reading when I feel down and trying to do right by my husband. Thank you

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 09:46

Glad it’s helped. I really have no excuse for my behaviour as I’m in a really good marriage. Think we were in a rut at the time and I was drunk when I gave om my number. I then just got swept away with it all and lacked confidence to tell him to go away. Well I tried but he kept on at me. Only thing and I mean this really kindly. You said if OM left his wife you would go back. Do you think you would be happy with your husband then?

winc · 16/07/2024 10:30

S**t.. I did it I contacted my situationship that ended when he ended it - I think he did it as I wanted more- just a message about the football. he came back, I messaged back and nothing from him. Now he is useless at messaging at the best of times but I was hoping for a response.
I feel like an idiot.. why did I do it? I typed the message out three times and deleted it and then just hit send. I am a dope. he clearly does not want me!

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 10:56

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 09:46

Glad it’s helped. I really have no excuse for my behaviour as I’m in a really good marriage. Think we were in a rut at the time and I was drunk when I gave om my number. I then just got swept away with it all and lacked confidence to tell him to go away. Well I tried but he kept on at me. Only thing and I mean this really kindly. You said if OM left his wife you would go back. Do you think you would be happy with your husband then?

I don’t know the answer to that. If you had asked me 5 months ago then I was ready to leave my husband because the situation was coercive control. Plus nastiness. I only realised when I went to a therapist and she was shocked. Since then - he has found out about OM and it has given him a massive wake up call and he is really really trying hard to change his behaviour. It was only 2 months ago that I said I would have couples counselling because he needed to work on himself first. He did and now we are in couples counselling and he is really trying. Thing is I had gone a few months down the road with OM and we got on great. But it was going round and round. What would I do if he left his wife. Honestly I don’t know. It may be too late and I have fixed my marriage. I don’t think he would leave anyway as it is so much more than his partner. It is his business, his friend community and his kids. He has been having issues for years tho in his marriage but is going to give her the chance to repair it too. Same as me. It’s painful but no contact is the only way. Then time will tell.

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 10:57

@winc sorry that must be really tough. Honestly next time you’re tempted read this back and remember you’re worth more. Whenever I’m tempted I message here even if I’m annoying everyone lol or I imagine him doing an eye roll seeing a message from me.

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 10:57

@winc as long as you learn from it. Leave them starving.

Thewookiemustgo · 16/07/2024 11:02

@Ndd1356387
are you saying that you are ‘faking it until you make it’ with your husband, but if your affair partner ever ‘grows up and leaves his wife’ you will ‘let him back into your life’?
Your husband has apparently according to you seen and acknowledged how he was acting within your marriage and changed for the better. He thinks he is in reconciliation with you and building a secure future whilst trying to be a better man.
He us actually in what is called a ‘false reconciliation’ which is a second betrayal. He thinks you have been completely honest and that your affair is over permanently, not just over unless your affair partner ‘grows up’. He thinks your feelings and motives are genuine not ‘faking it until you make it’.
None of this is honest or fair to your husband.
What you point out to other posters in the first part of your post about the people messing with their heads is true, however are you not messing with your husband’s head, albeit not as unkindly?
I may have mistaken what you have written but from what you have written it looks as if your husband is living in a fake situation where unbeknownst to him, his life could implode at any minute if you decide you can’t ‘fake it’ any more (he doesn’t know you are doing this, you allow him or have told him to believe the opposite) or if your affair partner leaves his wife (your husband doesn’t know this either, you are either allowing him or have told him to believe the opposite).
There can be no ‘ifs’ or ‘buts’ or ‘untils’ in a no contact situation after infidelity.
Your affair cannot be over ‘if he stays with his wife’ or ‘until he leaves his wife’ or ‘I’ll be faithful to my husband but I love somebody else and if they come back I’ll let them back into my life”.
Your husband isn’t perfect, nobody is, but to acknowledge his faults and apologise and strive to put things right (he has, ‘what he is doing now I would have died for a year ago as I love him so much’) is pretty big of anyone and he deserves to know what you honestly feel and that his marriage is at stake if your affair partner ever leaves his wife.
Im not being harsh or unkind, but all betrayed spouses want to know after deciding to stay with their unfaithful spouse is that their unfaithful spouse is now being fully honest, faking nothing, hiding nothing, the affair partner is permanent history, and that their formerly unfaithful spouse is fully committed to the marriage and to them.
I don’t doubt you love your husband, and that you are trying to rebuild your marriage, or that you have ended the affair.
Bit why did it end? Because you realised you really love your husband and want your marriage back? Or because your affair partner got cold feet and wouldn’t leave his wife? You say leaving his wife would be him ‘growing up’ because presumably you think he loves you and is only faking it with his wife? Are you not doing the same thing by loving him but staying with your husband? Your husband hasn’t been ‘chosen’ by you, loving your husband is not why you ended the affair, he became second best when your affair partner chose his wife.

To be honest, from your own admission I think mentally you are not really 100% in this, and you have not put your affair and affair partner in the past.
Both you and your affair partner allegedly love each other but are choosing to stay married. Your affair partner had an open choice and chose his wife and marriage.
I might be wrong but it reads as I you have chosen your marriage only because he did not choose you.
Please be honest with yourself and your husband about your reasons for where you are now.
Your “reconciliation “ with your husband is not real, you are faking it and know that you’d leave him in a heartbeat if your affair partner left his wife.
At present you have all the choices and still deep down haven’t made one of them. Your husband has and presumed you have too.
Choose honesty, give your husband the luxury of choice that you have at present. You want to remain ‘no contact’ with your affair partner and have joined this thread, but admit that if contact with him included him leaving his wife you’d want all the contact he could give you. Too much cognitive dissonance for this to work, you have too many opposing/ conflicting thoughts in your head at the same time. If you want success either way with this, your one choice has to be stuck to with no ‘ifs’ or ‘untils’.
Your affair partner is a proven liar. He lied to his wife to be with you, he possibly lied to you if he said he loved you and promised any kind of future with you, he made a choice which showed you that.
I’d stick with your husband who honestly acknowledges his faults and works on them, for your benefit because he loves you and his actions show it. Your affair partner’s actions show how he really feels and who and what he chose when the chips were down.
You’ve ended the affair and want no contact, make that permanent and you stand a chance of a happy marriage with a man who shows you he loves you by his actions every day.
If you can’t, allow your husband to be free to move on and live somebody who isn’t faking it and would leave him for somebody else if the somebody else left his wife.
Make your no contact vow permanent, it’s what your marriage vows said all along.

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 11:10

I was about to delete him from my phone and decided to export our chat first. Which prompted me to read through it. Breaks my heart really.

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 11:19

@Thewookiemustgo its far far too early for me to know if my husband has changed his behaviour permanently. It has been only a few weeks after years of coercive control. So I need time to see if it is a permanent change. It will take around 6 months of consistent change for me to be able to trust it again.

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 11:31

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 11:19

@Thewookiemustgo its far far too early for me to know if my husband has changed his behaviour permanently. It has been only a few weeks after years of coercive control. So I need time to see if it is a permanent change. It will take around 6 months of consistent change for me to be able to trust it again.

You're so right to be wary; I'm not sure there's any coming back from coercive control tbh. You'll be on guard against it the rest of your marriage.

Another option would be neither man...

FloydPink · 16/07/2024 11:34

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 11:10

I was about to delete him from my phone and decided to export our chat first. Which prompted me to read through it. Breaks my heart really.

Ohh, dont do that. Did the same and was in tears for ages!

FloydPink · 16/07/2024 11:36

Well, this is probably a record now, 36 hours reached. I was out for a run this morning and THINK I saw her car coming towards me, so in order to avoid eye contact I was focussed on my watch.

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 11:40

@FloydPink it's shit isn't it? I have never gone back through it, or at least not for a long time.

To see how sort of...high we were on each other I guess? It was so fun. Nothing weird, maybe a bit flirty and bantery but beyond that it was just chat and laughs and I loved it, and I miss that friendship so much.

NeedToAskPlease · 16/07/2024 11:43

Unlike some on here, I haven't got anyone else to fall back on...I.e husband.. and l think that is a huge part of what keeps making me get in contact with my FWB

Although, l have messaged him twice and have not had a response in a week... so l think this might be the end anyway.

As much as l want it to continue, a friend said to me that it's never going to go back to what it was previously - and she's right. It has been going downhill since February with less and less contact.... but I'm not strong enough to stay away...so the best way forward is if he continues ghosting me - as horrible as it is.

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 13:05

@FourToTheMFingFloor as we’ve said before your situation is most like mine. I feel like was he fake though or was any of it real
@Ndd1356387 I think you should be with neither man

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 13:13

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 13:05

@FourToTheMFingFloor as we’ve said before your situation is most like mine. I feel like was he fake though or was any of it real
@Ndd1356387 I think you should be with neither man

Yeah. I think what makes me sad was our friendship was completely real, before it got trashed. It wasn't intentional, it just happened over time, until it was inappropriate.

He's completely right to have stepped back, I just wish we could go back to when it was easy and fun. But hey, some people aren't meant to be in our lives forever are they?

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 13:38

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 13:05

@FourToTheMFingFloor as we’ve said before your situation is most like mine. I feel like was he fake though or was any of it real
@Ndd1356387 I think you should be with neither man

Yep. That is defo an option. I am set up financially and emotionally for that. My husband is desperate to try tho and is working hard. I do owe him that. Hence now I am no contact with OM. But I could end up single out of this in the end. And that’s fine.

Ndd1356387 · 16/07/2024 14:16

It’s haaaaard tho. Am keeping my mind busy and focussing on the present life.

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 14:48

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 13:13

Yeah. I think what makes me sad was our friendship was completely real, before it got trashed. It wasn't intentional, it just happened over time, until it was inappropriate.

He's completely right to have stepped back, I just wish we could go back to when it was easy and fun. But hey, some people aren't meant to be in our lives forever are they?

No that’s absolutely true. Even a nearly 40 year friendship of mine didn’t last forever. It’s a sad realisation of getting older 😪

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 14:54

And stupidly I've as good as lost my only other close friend over it too, as I really leaned on her when things were awful, and she's pretty much sick of me.

She'll text back if I reply but that's kinda it. Same as him.

Not sure how I ended up age 38 and with no friends, just polite acquaintances, nobody who would ever find themselves with free time and think 'I'd love to catch up for a drink with her'.

Literally nobody. No wonder I got hung up on the one person who I felt really saw me for who I was, and made me feel interesting and vibrant and worthy of his time.

PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 16:11

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 11:10

I was about to delete him from my phone and decided to export our chat first. Which prompted me to read through it. Breaks my heart really.

You will get to a point when you read it without the raging hormones and you will see it in quite a different way.

Frith2013 · 16/07/2024 16:22

@FourToTheMFingFloor same. Not far from 50 and, as I've saud before on this thread, his is the only house I've been in this year. (Apart from mine).

I got divorced 19 years ago so getting pretty bloody lonely.

FourToTheMFingFloor · 16/07/2024 17:47

@PrincessMee I'm far past the hormones part, that's why I'm just sad we fucked up the friendship

lovelymango · 16/07/2024 17:50

@PrincessMee i feel like that about mine but @FourToTheMFingFloor gad more of a friendship with hers. Mine said he ‘thought a lot of me’ but didn’t act like it sometimes

Thewookiemustgo · 16/07/2024 21:59

@Ndd1356387 that’s understandable, but it changes nothing about how he is still being treated. If he is trying to change his behaviour because he thinks you have changed yours, he is still being duped. If the only reason you are with him is because your affair partner chose his wife and marriage instead of you and he thinks you choosing him was the reason for the affair ending, he’s still being lied to. Of course you need proof that after years of poor behaviour the changes are real and lasting , I understand that, however it gives you no free pass to bide your time and fake reconciliation, fake your feelings, knowing that you’d let the affair partner back in if he left his wife. You said your husband is now doing all you ever wished he would do. Would it still matter as much if your affair partner left his wife and came crawling back?
Your husband deserves to know he’s only on probation, your feelings are being faked, you would let your affair partner back in if he left his wife and that you still feel so strongly about your affair partner that you have joined a thread to try to keep you from contacting him.
Your husband’s behaviour isn’t responsible for your affair, or your behaviour, he’s only responsible for his.
However controlling and coercive he was, he didn’t force you into an affair, you chose that. His controlling and coercive behaviour was unacceptable, absolutely, but infidelity was not the automatic go-to response, it was your independent choice.
The choices on the table now are your marriage or being single and figuring out what you really want. A formerly controlling and coercive husband who may revert to his former behaviour at any moment, or a man who you think hasn’t grown up yet, who lies to his wife and I’m pretty sure he lies to you, too.
Honesty is the best policy, better than either option because then you all know where you stand.

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