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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 14:40

Possibly the way to sort this out is by putting it in terms he understands, reputation.

I would put it in writing to him.

DH, you have been giving me jobs to do as part of your charitable volunteering. Firstly, this is not 'volunteering', this is bullying. I may well volunteer for some of these tasks but I need to be asked and allowed to turn it down without repercussions.

I am aware that my social reputation is suffering because you have made promises on my behalf that I can't deliver. You are also impacting my professional reputation by interrupting my work and yelling at me while I am on the phone to colleagues/clients. My professional reputation is very precious to me and I will not allow you to damage it on a whim. This must never happen again.

To address my social reputation I am considering sending the following to our friends and neighbours who have experienced or expressed issues because of your attitude. I think if you stop treating me as your staff then perhaps my social standing will recover naturally, but if you keep on this path I will need to put my side of the story out there.

"Dear all. I just wanted to write a short note to say that I am aware that several of you are annoyed with me because you feel that I am not doing what I said that I would. Please be aware that in almost all cases I have not volunteered. Instead DH has told you that I would do it and has then ordered me to do it. There has been a campaign of bullying when I am not able to do as ordered. He has been yelling at me, publicly shaming me, asking others to phone me in order to publicly shame me further and interrupting my work to yell at me while I am on the phone to clients. I have no objection to occasionally volunteering but I am working full-time and value my personal time so it does need to be understood that I need to be asked and not ordered and that there are tasks that I will not be able to do and that must be accepted. Thank you for your understanding."

He will absolutely not want you to damage his reputation by you telling everyone the above. He will probably yell at you a bit more or be 'very disappointed' in you, so develop a thick skin, but hopefully he won't risk your push back by volunteering you again.

Coffeeismyfriend1 · 08/06/2024 14:41

I think when other volunteers ring you need to say ‘sorry I told him I didn’t have the time because I’m working and have a lot on at the moment and he needed to find someone else to do it. I understand it’s for charity but I have a full time job and don’t have the time. I think one of you needs to learn how to use {insert software name} to do the posters etc becuase I can’t alway be relied on due to the time demands of my job’

Keep stressing that you have a job and are busy with other things.

OriginalUsername2 · 08/06/2024 14:42

Your DP is going to actively ruin your marriage if he’s telling the whole village you’re not stepping up.

It sounds nightmarish to me. Not being able to say no to my DP in case I step outside and a villager chastises me for it.. awful! He needs to respect your time and your privacy.

Eskimalita · 08/06/2024 15:13

He’s not great at project management and events if he’s doing this to you.
in fact he’s quite bad at it as he is running them without the right compliment of willing staff and helpers.
his ego is going to have to take a hit and he’s going to have to bring the size/reach/scope of the event down a few pegs so that he’s doing them within the resources available to him.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 15:18

How much volunteering did he do while he was working full time? Ask him. And then ask him why he expects you to do it while working full time when he didn't.

rookiemere · 08/06/2024 16:09

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 15:18

How much volunteering did he do while he was working full time? Ask him. And then ask him why he expects you to do it while working full time when he didn't.

Actually this is a really good point, although it does set OP up for issues once she retires !

Mummaoffour1234 · 08/06/2024 16:15

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

The thing with boundaries is making sure it’s about what you can control not other people’s behaviour so you can’t physically stop him from volunteering you but you can just stop helping him - yes even when he’s told other people - it’s his situation to sort out.

The fact that he’s not respecting your boundaries is a separate issue and really challenging. It’s not on x

suburburban · 08/06/2024 16:36

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:10

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters and I have to explain that I'm not part of this project and they're going to have to sort this out between them...

Now bear in mind some of these people are our neighbours, some are friends, most of them are people I'll bump into at some point in the shop or out walking or in our little local library (which was one of the causes he held a fundraiser for). Word is already getting round that I'm the mean bitch who won't throw a poster together to help raise money for the local library.* I've already been told that people are talking about our marriage, because he's so fantastic and does such good work and I'm so grudging.

*making a good poster that's eye-catching and gets all the relevant information across is more complicated than it looks. And once I've designed it and created images for it we're talking 3-4 hours. Once it's approved (the volunteers can be very picky and require changes) it's also my job to send it off to be printed up and delivered. Apparently.

I think yanbu

You are working and he is not.

Does he do anything round the house or cook meals or do the food shop

I'm in a similar position and I get annoyed with the fact I'm still working and my OH isn't but he does do the domestic stuff

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 16:37

I would want to have a frank discussion about how he is, seemingly deliberately, ruining your reputation in this small community. If you intend to stay married and live in this community after you retire then he needs to stop roping you in snd then complaining about you.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 16:52

You also need to be a bit more teflon when people chase you up for things, never apologise because then it sounds like your fault. You can be sympathetic though because it makes you see like the good guy.

Them: "Your DH told me that you would do it by X date".

You: "Oh no, this must be difficult for you. I informed DH straightaway that I had no availability. If he had told you at the time then you would have been able to make alternate arrangements. He has really let you down on this."

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 16:58

Maybe also suggest to a few key people that things ran more smoothly in the past before your DH turned up making huge promises that he is unable to make good. Let that percolate through the volunteering community.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 16:59

As an aside, I appear to be quite a bit more Machiavellian than I had realised. Grin

JFDIYOLO · 08/06/2024 17:10

He hasn't retired. This happens to a lot of men, and his has taken a particular form.

Although he's doing all the hobbies, which is great because he's not following you round the house like a lost toddler as so many do, he never prepared himself for retirement.

He's simply shifted his work world and mindsets from the office to home and his staff, his subordinate, his direct report - is you.

His team member is not delivering the KPIs and objectives he has assigned and he is seeking help from his peers on how to manage this - in his eyes - underperforming and uncooperative employee.

Maybe time to research how to manage an unreasonable manager's unreasonable expectations, and meet his approach?

beergiggles · 08/06/2024 17:49

Maybe time to research how to manage an unreasonable manager's unreasonable expectations, and meet his approach?
Research??
Fuck that!!
I wouldnt spend time doing that on his account. Just (in passing) stick a metaphorical spanner in all of his works and then walk off whistling.
You have to show him who's boss and you do that by casually fucking him over every chance you get and then acting like you've done nothing wrong.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 08/06/2024 18:07

If he asks you again you could reply to all the committee as well as to him.

"Just to let you know that DH has offered my services without checking my availability, again. Unfortunately I'm swamped with work at the moment so can't make the poster/flyer/tickets for you. I'm aware that he has caused difficulty for you in the past by not informing you that I'm not available in time for you to organise an alternative, so I'm letting you know myself in case he forgets again."

If there is a thing that you would like to do then offer that, so it's coming from you and not from him eg "I would be more than happy to help out on one of the stalls on the day, it's such a worthwhile cause."

diddl · 08/06/2024 18:11

NasiDagang · 05/06/2024 10:56

Posters like this make me realise how lucky I am to be single. The days of bullying and shouting husbands are long gone, so peaceful at home. It's like paradise.

You don't have to be single-just not with an overbearing bully!

GardenGnomeDefender · 08/06/2024 18:46

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:10

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters and I have to explain that I'm not part of this project and they're going to have to sort this out between them...

Now bear in mind some of these people are our neighbours, some are friends, most of them are people I'll bump into at some point in the shop or out walking or in our little local library (which was one of the causes he held a fundraiser for). Word is already getting round that I'm the mean bitch who won't throw a poster together to help raise money for the local library.* I've already been told that people are talking about our marriage, because he's so fantastic and does such good work and I'm so grudging.

*making a good poster that's eye-catching and gets all the relevant information across is more complicated than it looks. And once I've designed it and created images for it we're talking 3-4 hours. Once it's approved (the volunteers can be very picky and require changes) it's also my job to send it off to be printed up and delivered. Apparently.

As they start their long conversations about what are they meant to do without a poster, interrupt quickly with "sorry, I'm getting a work call I have to get this". If they don't politely say bye, then you hang up and say so sorry had to respond to an on call request.

diddl · 08/06/2024 18:48

All these excuses for a man who just won't listen when his wife says no!

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 08/06/2024 19:07

Haven’t read the full thread but first thing is put a lock on your office door to out some boundaries in place

YourKindPeachMaker · 08/06/2024 19:26

The most effective form of communication is behaviour. Instead of having row after row where you keep saying you don’t want to do it but then end up doing it anyway in order not to look churlish, if you had just stuck to your word the first time he’d have stopped asking you a long time ago. It’s never too late though.

Sparsely · 08/06/2024 19:52

Every project manager I know uses this kind of cajoling to get people to do things. They usually have a list of mugs workers for every task. You have to be quite thick skinned to be a PM , so leave your tact at the door for this one!

These are your lines:

  • You are not my matrix manager
  • So next time you volunteer me for a task that you haven't asked me if I want to do first, I am not going to do it no matter how embarrassing or inconvenient or bad it is for you or your project
  • I am your wife and you cannot afford to fall out with me

He sounds like a good project manager. He'll always have an eye on the bottom line.

GabriellaMontez · 08/06/2024 19:53

Did he tell you that people are talking about you?

Is it possible this is just another tactic to get you to fall into line?

gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 20:14

I get it. Retired husband popping in several times a day, never with a cuppa, but always to ask me to do something for him.
Explaining that he couldn't pull me off a checkout, or out of an office just didn't sink in. I was at home and therefore fair game. I ended up telling him in no uncertain terms until it did sink in.
The problem is that he does not value your work - it is something that gets in his way.
I second a strong lock on the room you work in.
Tell him to take a course on how to do the work he wants you to do.

WayOutOfLine · 08/06/2024 20:15

Why are you spending time arguing? Just say 'no, I haven't got time to do that' and don't do it. You only need to do this once, and your 'no' will mean something.

Don't say no, then do it, say no, then worry about the neighbours, say no and say 'I'll charge you'.

Be calm and vaguely amused by his stupidity in volunteering you when you have a job and it's not your thing.

My husband always wanted us to work together in a family business, I informed him we'd be divorced by lunchtime on the first day, we could never work together, and that was that.

WayOutOfLine · 08/06/2024 20:17

I'd also say if he uses Canva, you can get free templates for more or less any type of product, like leaflets and they are pretty good- he can come up with a few lines of copy, insert it there, and have it printed. If it needs more work than that, he needs to co-opt a professional who has time to volunteer.

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