Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

332 replies

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

OP posts:
Underestimated4 · 07/06/2024 20:37

He sounds very manipulate. It’s perhaps since stopping working he’s lost himself a little. Out of interest was he in charge of people in his job before he retired?

MotherBot · 07/06/2024 20:46

I agree with poster who have talked about a life transition, and how hard it is when someone steps from a comfort zone in which they understand how everything works, into a new setup in which they have less control.
And project managers are inherently control freaks (source - I am a PM 😳) .

I also think you need some strategies for what's happening now, conversations with him will of course help, but I think you need an ally. One of the frequent volunteers, a friendly one, to have the conversation with that goes 'It's lovely that Mr Wiz is getting stuck in! I'm so looking forward to being able to help out more when I retire myself, at the moment it's a bit impossible with the amount of work I have on and I think Mr Wiz forgets that sometimes. I feel so bad having to say no but I know you understand...etc etc'

Then when you have to say no you'll have someone who gets it. Be franker if you can, even.

GinForBreakfast · 07/06/2024 21:46

I really want to know what happened OP!

Doone22 · 07/06/2024 22:03

Oh I'm so sorry I've booked a spa day for that weekend.
I'm sorry darling my laptop is playing up.
What a pity I'm not free that afternoon.
It's such a shame but I'm on holiday in Antigua then otherwise I'd definitely be on board.

You might need to actually book some of these to make it believable but even a thicko will eventually get the message.

Or show him these replies.

Noseybookworm · 07/06/2024 22:57

Tell him you've got a job and you're busy. He'll keep asking you if you keep doing what he wants. You need to say no and mean it and refuse to discuss it further. It's his choice to do charity work but he doesn't get to volunteer you for anything. Unfortunately you've set a precedent by allowing him to railroad you into doing it in the past. You can put your foot down now so do it and stick to it!

mickeymoist · 07/06/2024 23:24

I suggest that there have been many posts mainly by women about not being left in peace whilst wfh, sometimes it is neighbours or friends sometimes relatives. Both sexes can be guilty of intruding. For older people who have not worked in these conditions it is difficult for them to see the need for change.
@wizardofsoz Is your community 'better off' as a result of his efforts?
Are all of his projects worthwhile? Did the organisations need the extra money?
Specifically, If he had not organised the fundraising for the library would anyone else have done it?
Questions have been raised about his management style. He now needs managing so that he doesn't upset the OP but still gets these things done.

Bollindger · 07/06/2024 23:25

Tell him you resign as his PA.

Then every time he asks remind him you resigned on D day.

Frangipanyoul8r · 08/06/2024 05:45

I would say something like “you bullying me into doing what you want against my will is divorce territory”.

He just isn’t respecting you and your wishes and your time. It’s all about respect and his lack of it.

AloeVerity · 08/06/2024 09:16

OP, you’ve been the author of your own destiny. There is loads of useful advice here but you don’t seem willing to take it. Just tell him to get lost, once and for all. How dare he belittle your job, shout at you when you’re on work calls and generally slag you off to the local community for not doing his bidding? It’s bullying, nasty behaviour and you seem overly keen to excuse it. Why is that? He is not a nice man and not a good partner. His behaviour shows you this. Stop defending him and get angry. Your thoughts and feelings are just as valid as his. He is not higher than you in some socially conditioned hierarchy. You do not have to do his bidding. If you are so worried about local gossip and your reputation as a ‘mean bitch’ think about why this is. Do you have low self esteem? I wouldn’t care less. I’d be more than happy to laugh at any requests and tell people in no uncertain terms that X is his hobby and not mine. Why would they think otherwise? How odd! Head tilt etc. I am rooting for you and others in this position but it’s very frustrating to see you defend him time and again!

dicokno · 08/06/2024 09:35

I would refuse every single time and then just not do it.
And any time anyone rings up about something i'd just say no, I'm not doing it, I never agreed to do it and I don't have time to do it so you'll have to sort that out yourselves.

I think he's bullying you. You've given in in the past so he assumes he just has to keep pushing and you will give in again. Now is the time to push back. It's ridiculous - not just the expectation but shouting in to your study asking for a flyer when you're talking to a client.

Can you go into the office every day?

Randomusername224 · 08/06/2024 10:06

This!!!!!!

Absolutely disgusting behaviour from him all round tbh. I know it’s difficult but keep pushing back, he sounds like he’s not willing to hear your point of view at all and it’s actually domineering and manipulative to behave as he is! Stand your ground, hang in there! You are NOT being unreasonable here you have been more than accommodating!

Beautiful3 · 08/06/2024 10:33

He has free time to fill, whereas you're still working and need down time for yourself. Just ignore him when he asks about it. Ignore all calls from those who may be asking about it. Freeze them all out. It doesn't matter if they blame you for not completing jobs! Ignore them, they'll realise you're a no go and stop asking you.

Mumof2boys999 · 08/06/2024 11:02

Time to book yourself a ling weekend away next time there is an event - charitably visiting a sick (non-existent) relative at a health spa, maybe!

ibelieveinmirrorballs · 08/06/2024 11:03

He clearly shouldn’t have retired at 58.

marie2000 · 08/06/2024 11:50

I would be happy to do it for him,if he paid.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/06/2024 11:58

This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity

Its for his ego, so he can be the 'guy who gets things done'. Tell him it is not your job to save his butt when HE has taken on something.

ABirdsEyeView · 08/06/2024 12:02

Saying something is for charity is a really manipulative way for one person to bend another to their will, with all the implications that refusal makes you a horrible person!

Time to tell your h that charity begins at home! I suspect you won't though. Remember that if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got!

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/06/2024 12:06

Oh, just thought of an answer.

I am your wife, Mr Wiz and the rules are different. I decide what I want to do with my time, so if you see something you think I could help with, you need to discuss it with me first. If you dont, you have to accept I will not do it. There will not be any further discussion - I have told you I dont like this and I need it to stop happening.

Edited to say will not, instead of may not.

AgnesX · 08/06/2024 12:52

Break down all the activities taken to produce a task with an estimate of how long it takes. Along with your professional fee if you want.

Share it, along with the information that you have a full time job already.

beergiggles · 08/06/2024 13:07

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/06/2024 12:06

Oh, just thought of an answer.

I am your wife, Mr Wiz and the rules are different. I decide what I want to do with my time, so if you see something you think I could help with, you need to discuss it with me first. If you dont, you have to accept I will not do it. There will not be any further discussion - I have told you I dont like this and I need it to stop happening.

Edited to say will not, instead of may not.

Edited

I wouldn't bother with any of that. I wouldn't say anything.
Every time he volunteered me for something I wouldn't comment, I would let him think I was gonna do it. And then I would completely fail to do it and make him look like a twit.
If he complained I would shrug and claim not to remember anything about it.

Naran · 08/06/2024 13:11

Sounds like he has retired too early

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 13:36

Its the slagging off to the local community that I find the worst. Where is his loyalty and affection for you? Why isn’t he more protective of your relationship and your social standing?

beergiggles · 08/06/2024 13:38

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 13:36

Its the slagging off to the local community that I find the worst. Where is his loyalty and affection for you? Why isn’t he more protective of your relationship and your social standing?

Because his priority is to preserve his social standing at all costs, blaming it on her keeps his reputation unstained.

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 14:30

Well…yeah? Thats the problem OP seems to be ignoring. Probably because she is used to his style of husbanding.

CrispieCake · 08/06/2024 14:32

Can you invoice him the market rate and outsource to a professional company? When it starts hitting him in the pocket, he might re-think his approach.