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Losing my friend of 40 years... Don't know how to stop it

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Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:29

I don't know what I'm looking for here. I am sad and need to get it off my chest.

I have an amazing best friend since we grew up next door to each other decades ago. We both have lots of friends, none in common. We don't live in each other's pockets but she has never not been there for me. I really value her opinion and we always have fun together. She is my favourite person to spend time with after DH. In short, I love her.

A few years ago she upended her life and came to stay in our granny flat.

She moved out and lived alone for a few months then quite by chance met a new man. She didn't introduce us saying she wanted to keep life simple. I respected that.

A year passed and we still hadn't met him. Nobody had. Then I had a seemingly chance encounter. I was paying for something when I realised I had forgotten my wallet. I was flustered while explaining to the cafe owner who told me not to worry as he knew me anyway. In the middle of it the boyfriend appeared and introduced himself. He seemed nice, friendly, personable and insisted on paying for my coffee and pastry even though there was no need.

This is where things got strange. My friend contacted me and 'jokingly' said he was annoyed about how I had 'scammed money' out of him for my breakfast. I was a bit thrown but she did an out of character fakw sounding laugh and said not to worry about it then changed the subject before I could respond. It didn't sit well with me at all.

In the months that followed things got stranger. She never came to my house anymore or invited me to hers. Even if I had to drop something over she would give some long convoluted reason why it made sense for her to meet me someplace else. One time when I came to hers with a gift she claimed she had fallen back to sleep but I saw her bedroom curtains twitching.

We would sometimes have plans to meet out and she'd cancel my calls then say she had gone out for the day with boyfriend. Late cancellations aren't an issue in our friendship, she's always fine with it the other way and not demanding at all.

None of these things bothered me, it was the overall picture forming of things being drastically different between us.

Also I started to see a pattern. She wanted to stay living alone but he convinced her he should move in briefly. Then he wasnr leaving. Then he wanted them to move to the countryside and not see his children. Then his children who she didn't want to be introduced to were living with them in her place half the time.

I decided to deal with it head on so said we would really love to meet him. We arranged a meal out in a nice restaurant. We had booked a babysitter and were looking forward to a night out. She messaged a half hour beforehand to say they wouldn't make it and to have a lovely time. No apology or explanation.

Then came The Prank. I don't want to be totally outing but I'll say this -
We have never played pranks in forty years of friendship
The prank wasn't funny. It was cruel and could potentially have damaged my business.
She used her boyfriend's phone.

My DH came home and found me crying hysterically. He lost his temper, phoned her boyfriend, called him a dick head and told him to come ocer and apologised to me. He didn't pick up. She then messaged me and told me to get my DH under control, it was only a joke.

The next day she came to our house. I explained briefly how I felt. She looked distraught. She said I had it all wrong that she never meant to hurt me and that her boyfriend knows how much I mean to her (I believe this and think this is the problem).

Things settled down but I barely see her. I've also noticed she has cut off other friendships entirely. There is always a "I don't have time for their bullshit. Boyfriend said to me I give too much" or similar.

Sorry this has gone on so long but I feel utterly bereft. I think if I broach the subject again she will avoid me entirely. I have since met him twice for five minutes and I have managed a convincing performance of being friendly.

I feel my friend is gone and also that she's in danger. I suspect she also has no time for my DH after he lost his temper.

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Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:32

Sorry to add - I do see her but much less often and always away from her home and boyfriend. We don't even suggest doing things like holidays or Saturday nights together.

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Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:37

Sorry for the dripfeed ; she is traveling on the bus instead of using her car. She, previously very comfortable financially is always stressed about money.

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Beefcurtains79 · 25/05/2024 19:37

Is she still living in your granny flat? How did her boyfriend know who you were in the cafe if you didn’t know him?
Im sorry this has happened, it sounds like she’s a dear friend x

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:39

Beefcurtains79 · 25/05/2024 19:37

Is she still living in your granny flat? How did her boyfriend know who you were in the cafe if you didn’t know him?
Im sorry this has happened, it sounds like she’s a dear friend x

Sorry for the confusion. I edited my op. She doesn't still live there. He recognised me from photos. We all live locally in a small place so it's not particularly strange.

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TheCheeseThief · 25/05/2024 19:42

I suspect he is abusive and controlling. Does she have any family you can speak too?

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:44

TheCheeseThief · 25/05/2024 19:42

I suspect he is abusive and controlling. Does she have any family you can speak too?

I used to see her family but because we only have brief meetings now I don't know when I will see them again. I would love to ask her mother if she has any concerns.

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LizzieBennett73 · 25/05/2024 19:45

Honestly, there is little you can do - other than save yourself from being dragged down with her. She won't thank you for interfering or pointing out the obvious. She has to learn that herself and it may never happen.

This person that she has become isn't a friend at all, by the sound of it.

hopscotcher · 25/05/2024 19:47

Sounds shit, and I'd be upset too, but not sure what you can do about it - she has to make her own decisions. I would pull back for now, but (as things stand) still be there for her in the future.

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 19:47

I think you may as well speak to her once, ask her explicitly if everything is ok, and say if she needs a friend you'll always be happy to listen.

I don't think there's any more you can do, focus on caring for yourself as this is a big loss.

It sounds very upsetting.

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:48

LizzieBennett73 · 25/05/2024 19:45

Honestly, there is little you can do - other than save yourself from being dragged down with her. She won't thank you for interfering or pointing out the obvious. She has to learn that herself and it may never happen.

This person that she has become isn't a friend at all, by the sound of it.

I know our current friendship isn't good but she has been so good to me in the past and I don't wanna give up on her.

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Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:50

hopscotcher · 25/05/2024 19:47

Sounds shit, and I'd be upset too, but not sure what you can do about it - she has to make her own decisions. I would pull back for now, but (as things stand) still be there for her in the future.

Thanks. This is basically what I've been doing. I don't feel I've much choice.

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Owl9to5 · 25/05/2024 19:51

Wow he sounds like a manipulative gaslighter. I dont think you can fix this but I would continue to send short breezy messages occasionally. She will know that the obstacle to your friendship is him. :-(

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:51

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 19:47

I think you may as well speak to her once, ask her explicitly if everything is ok, and say if she needs a friend you'll always be happy to listen.

I don't think there's any more you can do, focus on caring for yourself as this is a big loss.

It sounds very upsetting.

I don't think this would be well received. She describes him and them as perfect.

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/05/2024 19:51

What was the 'prank' and why the hell would she find it funny if you ended up in hysterical tears? If someone who had been a friend caused someone I loved to be so upset by shitty, malicious behaviour I'd not want to see them again!

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:54

DoreenonTill8 · 25/05/2024 19:51

What was the 'prank' and why the hell would she find it funny if you ended up in hysterical tears? If someone who had been a friend caused someone I loved to be so upset by shitty, malicious behaviour I'd not want to see them again!

She deeply regretted the prank after it all backfired. Some of the fallout was unfortunate and outside her control. However pranks have never featured in our friendship and her reasons for doing it were utterly bizarre.

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Owl9to5 · 25/05/2024 19:54

I was in an abusive relationship, I left it 17 years ago. The friendships that survived the 7 year "sentence" were the ones where they breezily checked in birthdays Christmas and occasionallly, just to say hi. Occasionally inviting me somewhere and pretending to believe my bullshit excuses.

Xx

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:56

Owl9to5 · 25/05/2024 19:54

I was in an abusive relationship, I left it 17 years ago. The friendships that survived the 7 year "sentence" were the ones where they breezily checked in birthdays Christmas and occasionallly, just to say hi. Occasionally inviting me somewhere and pretending to believe my bullshit excuses.

Xx

Edited

Thank you so much for this.

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/05/2024 19:57

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 19:54

She deeply regretted the prank after it all backfired. Some of the fallout was unfortunate and outside her control. However pranks have never featured in our friendship and her reasons for doing it were utterly bizarre.

If she instigated or took part in the prank, she's fully responsible.

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 20:00

DoreenonTill8 · 25/05/2024 19:57

If she instigated or took part in the prank, she's fully responsible.

That's what was so strange about it. It's like her judgment is totally off.

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infactyourquiteunique · 25/05/2024 20:09

Do you think she did the prank or her partner and she's covering him.?

I'd stay in touch. Don't slate him. Let her know you care. Occasionally reminisce and remind her of your bond/previous life.

And be there if it falls apart

I

fettybord · 25/05/2024 20:09

infactyourquiteunique · 25/05/2024 20:09

Do you think she did the prank or her partner and she's covering him.?

I'd stay in touch. Don't slate him. Let her know you care. Occasionally reminisce and remind her of your bond/previous life.

And be there if it falls apart

I

This.

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 20:13

She did the prank but I'm positive it was his idea. She's claiming she took his phone and he knew nothing about it. I barely recognise her.

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Smartiepants79 · 25/05/2024 20:14

It clearly appears to be an abusive relationship.
She’s not ready to change that or leave.
All you can do is try and stay part of her life and make sure she knows she can come to you if and when she needs to.

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:17

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 20:00

That's what was so strange about it. It's like her judgment is totally off.

Have you considered it could be an abusive relationship?

It might be helpful to read up on how that manifests, what could be happening.

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 25/05/2024 20:20

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:17

Have you considered it could be an abusive relationship?

It might be helpful to read up on how that manifests, what could be happening.

Yes I fully believe it is an abusive (of some type) relationship. I feel helpless.

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