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AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 07:59

My partner and I have been together for 3 years and recently got engaged.

We used to have sex 3 or 4 times a week. Dropped to once a week and, over recent months, it's dropped to once a fortnight.

I've read similar posts on here that say it's nothing to do with attraction but how can you be sure?

I don't feel he finds me attractive. I've tried talking to him about it and he says he does but those are words that are not backed up by actions. He's affectionate but in those two weeks, I get used to there not being any sex in the relationship and it feels awkward when it happens and i feel unattractive and reluctant.

Without the interest from him, I lose interest in it myself. I just cant go from being someone who doesn't have sex to someone who then does have sex once a fortnight. I feel like he is just having sex with me to scratch an itch or because he's aware it's been a fortnight and so feels obliged to rather than wanting to. I just don't feel attractive or like a sexual being at all anymore if I'm honest.

I dont understand how it can go from 3 or 4 times aweek, to once a week to once a fortnight without there being a reason for it (eg he doesn't find me attractive but feels horny once a fortnight or he's meeting his sexual needs in other ways during the rest of the time and he's having 'maintenance sex' with me - neither of which makes me feel particularly in the mood!)

If he's getting his sexual needs met elsewhere the majority of the time, why not just do that all the time? If he doesn't find me attractive, why do it with me at all?

I'd rather not have sex at all than only have it once a fortnight tbh.

Any words of wisdom?

OP posts:
sunflowrsngunpowdr · 02/05/2024 13:57

Did the sex change after you got engaged? Maybe he isn't 100% for marriage? You need to be brave and talk to him. Ask him outright if he wants to continue the relationship.

Opentooffers · 02/05/2024 14:25

Does he ignore you when you ask him what he likes? Or have you not asked him? There seems to be a dicotomy here "can't keep it up" and "no trouble getting an erection". They are prety much part of the same problem and come under ED, which is common at his age.
The ED could be putting him off, or his sex drive is just lower. How is his health in general? Overweight at all? Any diabetes? You are actually quite wrong to jump to him not finding you attractive, and focusing on that notion isn't going to help solve the issue.
How does it go when you are on holiday together? Any more action then when more relaxed?
How much would be enough for you? If once a week would be managable, perhaps talk candidly that this is what you need as a minimum.
If he always turns you down, even if its after 2 weeks, it looks like he might have a 'woman initiating' issue. That would put me right off a man, if they wanted to always call the shots. I'd have no qualms then in turning them down.

rkahic · 02/05/2024 14:30

I don’t think there’s ever an easy answer, in a similar position but sexes reversed, late 50s, like OP gone from couple of times a week to now monthly at most, no intimacy in between, no cuddles, moves away in bed, doesn’t even look at me if I’m naked in bedroom and covers herself all the time, asked if there’s a reason but just reply’s does it when she wants, you do start to feel you just aren’t attractive to her anymore or that she’s doing it elsewhere, though in our case genuinely wouldn’t know when, wish I had an answer for you and me but reading many posts on this it rarely does

ballytravlr · 02/05/2024 16:26

Possible answers:

-Lost libido
-Still has libido but doesn't find you attractive anymore
-He is developing ED and is feeling shame and confusion
-He is thinking of leaving
-He has met someone else
-Other
-Some of the above

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 19:51

rkahic · 02/05/2024 14:30

I don’t think there’s ever an easy answer, in a similar position but sexes reversed, late 50s, like OP gone from couple of times a week to now monthly at most, no intimacy in between, no cuddles, moves away in bed, doesn’t even look at me if I’m naked in bedroom and covers herself all the time, asked if there’s a reason but just reply’s does it when she wants, you do start to feel you just aren’t attractive to her anymore or that she’s doing it elsewhere, though in our case genuinely wouldn’t know when, wish I had an answer for you and me but reading many posts on this it rarely does

Sadly, I think I've become a bit like your wife as a result. I avoid doing anything that looks like I might be up for it becaise that's when he seems to feel he needs to do something.

He did the other evening and I had to stop him. It was dark so he didn't see but I was nearly in tears. It didn't feel nice. It just felt cold and empty. Like he was doing it because he felt he should and not because it was something we were going to do together.

It sounds like he is willing to please you and he offers to give you pleasure which you see as “servicing”. Why is it such a bad thing for you to just receive pleasure?

It's not but when that started to become the main part of our sex life, I just felt weirdly used and vulnerable.

He’s made it clear he loves you, is attracted to you and offers to pleasure you, even if he isn’t feeling in the mood himself. All of those things are really positive

I know! I think there's something underlying that I'm picking up on. But that I haven't quite been able to put into words.

Did you really imagine you'd be having sex 4-5 times a week forever?

No. But once or twice a week would have been nice. It just didn't make sense. He told me he fancied me yet, if we did anything, he wouldn't finish or would push me away.

Does he ignore you when you ask him what he likes? Or have you not asked him?

I asked him in the early days. I was quite open about what I like etc so I felt that created a 'space' for that conversation. All he said was he liked everything I did and that was it. That's all he's said. Nothing else. But it's also clearly not true because he isn't interested.

He said to me a few weeks ago that, if there was anything I wanted to do or him to do, I just had to say. I already had done but I suggested a couple of things, he said nothing and, months on, he's not tried it or brought it up again.

He also said to me that he thought sex was a really important part of a relationship and that, without it, the relationship can struggle as though I'm the cause of the change. Except that he's the one who has removed sex from the table as it were.

I've just responded to his lack of interest batching his energy. Not out of playing games but because I don't want to make a fool of myself, and I don't want to put pressure on him.

What makes it worse is that I've now become preoccupied by who he finds attractive. Because I don't feel that he finds me attractive, I've become anxious when we go out about who he's looking at or might be attracted to.

I've never been like that. Because, if he's not attracted to me or having sexual thoughts about me, he must have them about someone!

OP posts:
MissConductUS · 02/05/2024 19:58

Something similar happened with my DH in his mid-forties. It was low testosterone (male hypogonadism). As soon as that was sorted, it was back to normal.

It's a simple blood test from the GP to find out, and if his T is low, it can negatively impact his cardiovascular health.

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 20:12

Thanks.

He does get erections though. In the morning, in bed. I'm not sure if that means he's low in testosterone but I doubt it. He just isn't interested in having sex when he does.

OP posts:
Secondstart1001 · 02/05/2024 20:46

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 20:12

Thanks.

He does get erections though. In the morning, in bed. I'm not sure if that means he's low in testosterone but I doubt it. He just isn't interested in having sex when he does.

This must make you feel sad! And sexually frustrated too. Sorry this is happening to you and I hope you get to talk it out so you can work it out.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 02/05/2024 20:57

I would go to couples counselling op. There is probably a lot going on. There are so many possible reasons, maybe stress at work, maybe body image, maybe fear of commitment, maybe you're stressing and he's picking up on it, who knows. But you're not the first couple this is happening to so a counsellor will help you work it out. I wish I'd done it in previous relationships

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 20:59

Secondstart1001 · 02/05/2024 20:46

This must make you feel sad! And sexually frustrated too. Sorry this is happening to you and I hope you get to talk it out so you can work it out.

I do feel sad but not sexually frustrated at all.

I just feel that that side of me has shut down which is partly why it's so awkward every fortnight.

I can't be a non sexual person for two weeks just to have sex and then go back to being a non sexual person again.

It just feels weird.

OP posts:
Secondstart1001 · 02/05/2024 21:11

@AvocadoOodie no one has mentioned this on this post so I thought I would ..:: but do you think if you scheduled something in with him you would get into that headspace of mentally and physically getting ready? And enjoy it more when it happened. I know getting in the mood is not a flick of a switch in your situation as there seems to be a lot of tension. And I don’t think this is a problem where only you are responsible for the solution. If you had both never been having regular sex then this would not be an issue or a deal breaker! Good luck I hope you find a workable solution x

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 22:00

I supposed the scheduled in bit is like what happens once a fortnight anyway. I dreading rather than looking forward to it. It just feels like it has to be great because that'll be it for another fortnight and just feels awkward.

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MissConductUS · 02/05/2024 22:45

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 20:12

Thanks.

He does get erections though. In the morning, in bed. I'm not sure if that means he's low in testosterone but I doubt it. He just isn't interested in having sex when he does.

Men make most of their testosterone while they sleep, so it peaks first thing in the morning. It can be low normal then, but deficient later in the day.

The erection when they wake up is often due to the pressure of a full bladder on the prostate gland, not because they’re sexually aroused, and will disappear as soon as they pee.

KindaBinding81 · 02/05/2024 23:07

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 02/05/2024 08:06

Is he using porn?

This was my first thought.

AvocadoOodie · 03/05/2024 05:13

MissConductUS · 02/05/2024 22:45

Men make most of their testosterone while they sleep, so it peaks first thing in the morning. It can be low normal then, but deficient later in the day.

The erection when they wake up is often due to the pressure of a full bladder on the prostate gland, not because they’re sexually aroused, and will disappear as soon as they pee.

I know. Its just that that is usually used as the marker of whether ED is physical or psychological. I wasn't sure if it was T related.

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CarryOnCharon · 03/05/2024 05:24

I think you need to talk to him again, and explain exactly how you feel.

If he won’t discuss it, or nothing changes, then I certainly wouldn’t marry him, and would think carefully about whether I wanted to stay in the relationship

AvocadoOodie · 03/05/2024 05:35

Thank you. Tbh, I know you're right.

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commonsense12 · 03/05/2024 05:37

AvocadoOodie · 02/05/2024 20:12

Thanks.

He does get erections though. In the morning, in bed. I'm not sure if that means he's low in testosterone but I doubt it. He just isn't interested in having sex when he does.

Men often, but not always, get erections in the morning. It has the term 'morning wood'

honeypancake · 03/05/2024 11:24

I would think it is normal for sex to slow down a bit as the relationship progresses. I don't think it is realistic for many couple ( not for all ) to expect to keep going for it 3-4 times a week like at the very beginning of the relationship. If it happens once a week or once in two weeks, I would not personally call it a sexless relationship. Make it a special memorable night when it happens to help you feel desired.

SunflowerTed · 03/05/2024 17:51

Sad as it is I’d make him your ex fiancé

EBearhug · 03/05/2024 18:05

I was going to ask if there are worries in life like money, job, health - but if he's getting erections, maybe not. Has he started any medications recently?

It can be a sign of physical or emotional issues, but the biggest issue for me would be the lack of communication- I think talking about it would be better than pushing down the duvet between you or just withholding affection. I think if you can't talk about it, the relationship needs to end. Definitely don't marry him if this can't be resolved.

2pence · 03/05/2024 18:34

Are you younger than him?

AvocadoOodie · 03/05/2024 19:17

EBearhug

No. No stress at all. He's really laid back - no work stress, his adult kids are fine, mum is elderly but in good health. No money concerns. Literally nothing.

The lack of communication is worse, yes. That's why I think the only thing it can be is me. He'd have no reason not to talk about anything else.

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EBearhug · 03/05/2024 19:30

Don't take all the blame yourself - whatever the initial causes, he's exacerbating things by not talking about it. You need to talk.

2pence · 03/05/2024 19:33

Imagine if this was a man writing this about his menopausal girlfriend?

Are you quite a bit younger than him?