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Elderly mother slap in the face

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BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 14:54

Elderly DM and niece are close as sis insisted she had pnd for first 5 years of nieces life (which coincided with my twos DC’s birth). As niece was at my mums being looked after practically every day of her life for the first 5 years. My mother was busy and had no time or interest in me or my family.

Fast forward to now my niece has stepped up her visiting again now she has left Uni and DM is in her early 80’s. Any recent gifts I have given my DM over the last few years have been relegated to the bottom of her stairs around the corner on the carpet. No photos of me or my DC’s now older teens are in my mothers living room (my DD hates her photo taken so no recent photos of us all). I asked DM about this recently and she said they have grown up and they have gone now. Yet niece is older than both my two but the photos of her are perhaps more recent. Their is a photo of my DB, my sis and several of my niece (including one with her dogs). Alongside an assortment of nieces tat presents on display with nanna or grandma on.

Just before Mothers day I stupidly naively asked my mother if she wanted to go out for lunch. I was told she would let me know nearer the time and see how she felt on the day (yet she is in good health but sometimes uses anxiety as an excuse with me). Then she said she wouldn’t bother a day or so beforehand. But on the day she contacted me to say she had been out for a coffee and a scone with sis and niece it was a last minute thing, she didn’t know anything about it as it was a nice surprise etc. Basically rubbing my nose in it.

It doesn’t matter what I try to do or whether I give my DM notice or leave it to the last min the response is the same and I am given a clear message that at best I am last reserve. It was her birthday last week and I was working in the run up to her birthday but I offered to come round and see her on her birthday or take her out for lunch on the day if she was free. A long delay followed then guess what my niece had supposedly already asked her to go out for lunch on the day of her birthday but she was just waiting to check with her boyfriend that he was definitely free and he hadn’t planned anything so that was why my mum delayed responding to me. My mum said she didn’t know where they were going or what time she would be back but she would phone me (expecting me to put my day on hold) and let me know when they were back. My niece has form for taking the pee if my mum is visiting us which is rare niece will call or visit before so my mum will be very late. Or if she knows I am visiting my DM, my niece will deliberately take my mum out in the car or round to hers so I can’t visit etc.

My invitations are casual and genuine because I want to spend time with my mum but these are more on my terms as I have been knocked back so many times. I am mad at myself for going back for more and keep hoping for a different outcome. Mad at my niece for being manipulative and mad at my mum for keeping on putting the boot in and being suckered in by my niece. But I guess my DM is enjoying playing us off against each other and only doing that because I let her.

Well done if you got to the end of this.

Any advice? I have tried speaking to my mum in the past many times but she always turns it round to I am bitter, I am jealous, she didn’t know I felt like that, she didn’t realise, it wasn’t her fault she didn’t mean anything by it and thought I might say that or think that.

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DrawersOnTheDoors · 19/04/2024 07:50

I think disbelieving your sisters PND is pretty harsh. Yes you didn't get the same help but isn't it possible to find some compassion for her?

Your DM has clearly made a strong bond with your niece, if she was around as much as you say for her early years it's no wonder there's a hugely strong attachment there. If she is manipulating you she's just a young adult who maybe also deserves a bit of compassion for being such a numpty.

Perhaps your DM is hugely defensive about the disparity or maybe even resentful about your attitude since it can't have been that fun providing endless childcare for a very young child and that comes across to you loud and clear.

Whatever happens, I think you'd benefit from therapy to work through your feelings. Your DM has favoured your sister and it would be helpful for you to really understand your feelings around this. Perhaps it continued a dynamic from your childhood that was really harmful.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 19/04/2024 07:58

Op ignore the some of the comments you have trended in active conversations where people like to pick a fight. To me it sounds like you have a golden child situation with your sister and niece. I would grey rock your Mother more as she seems unable to put you first. Are you close enough in distance that you can pop in without letting her know first. It seems like as soon as she knows you are coming a competitive situation gets set up with the sister and niece. I think it might be time to drop the rope. Call on your terms. Spend more time enjoying your own family and children.

Faceplantagain · 19/04/2024 09:11

Another perspective. Sometimes you just don't get on with people, even though you are related, and there's nothing wrong with that. And, once you're an adult, you can make choices about how you spend your time and with whom. Your niece in particular and your mother might just have more in common with each other than your mother does with you. My sister and I had a similar dynamic with our aunt (mother's sister) - we both got on with her well, and went to stay with her more willingly than with our mother. This made my mother very jealous, and caused a few problems in the relationship between my mother and her sister. Nobody was manipulating anyone!

sandyhappypeople · 19/04/2024 10:12

BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 23:04

@Notchangingnameagain you sound lovely.

My DM doesn’t like a lot of clutter. Niece knows this full well and knows when she gives my DM yet another photo or another her trinket. Something goes and guess what it is always something I or my DC have given her or a photo of us. Now there is nothing left. The only memorabilia is from her.

I assume your GP’s adore you, don’t mind clutter and don’t relegate your aunties gifts or photos to the bin or back of the cupboard to put your gifts and photos on display instead though?

Another thing you’re blaming your niece for! It can’t be your mother, who is choosing to get rid of anything you’ve ever given her, but it’s your ‘piece of work’ niece for giving her gifts!

you will never have a good relationship with any of them while solely blaming them for your mothers failings as a parent, you still seem to think your mum is the innocent victim in this?? Why would they ever invite you anywhere, it’s blatantly obvious you hate your niece and blame her and your sister for everything wrong in your relationship with your mum..

It’s awful how your mum treats you, and plays you off against each other, but it IS your mum doing this.. I’m not sure why parents do this to be honest, it’s so hurtful, but while she knows your blaming your sister and niece she’s off the hook and you keep coming back for more, she obviously loves having you all vying for her attention.

Luddite26 · 19/04/2024 11:27

For strong attachments I read favourites.

orangetanlady76 · 19/04/2024 18:15

Be strong now even if she needs you later. She's made her bed. She can lie in it.

orangetanlady76 · 19/04/2024 18:16

Manipulative, making out she's the victim, crafty, not nice behaviour for a mum. Start focusing more back on your family who do give a s...

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/04/2024 18:24

Your niece is her Benjamin, the last child who is much loved and indulged. Your Mum basically brought her up, it is not impossible that they love each other dearly? Perhaps you are right that when your mother needs more help, she will vanish, or perhaps , she won’t. Time to work out your reaction to that when (if) it happens.

But harbouring resentment in your heart is going to damage you, probably much more than them. Let it go.

User1979289 · 19/04/2024 20:35

Fuck that shit! Forget it, withdraw, pull up the draw bridge. When she rings you say "sorry, who is this?" and let her stew.
I did this and DM miraculously sorted herself out and is now a GREAT gma.

Sceptical123 · 20/04/2024 08:03

I can empathise with your situation OP, if on a slightly lesser scale. It must be a horrible situation to be in. What I have finally learned over many years is you can’t fundamentally change ppl, or their ideas about you no matter how much you try and want to. You have to accept them for what they are.

But you don’t have to put up with them.

Your mum sounds awful, as does your sister and niece - perhaps this is why they get on so well - they are similar ppl. You aren’t like that, you don’t want to be like that, they won’t change, so the only way you will have a happier life is to cut contact with them. Each time you are interacting with them it is marred by their behaviour or the shadow of their presence when you finally get time alone with your mum. But do you really want to spend time with her, or the idea of how she should be to you?

She doesn’t sound like some sweet, befuddled old woman who’s trying to please everybody and is getting it wrong. She sounds like she is actively trying to play you off against one another so she always has maximum attention and visitors, a triumph to the elderly living alone. I’m sure it’s boosting her ego no end, she was probably the same with other girls at school and boyfriends - thoroughly unpleasant. Did she encourage competitiveness between you as children? Maybe it’s a new thing now she’s old and wants to ensure she is being visited and looked after etc. She does sound like she prefers them, but who knows, she could be acting the same way about you and your kids to them! They could be acting this way through their own insecurities and jealousies etc. who knows.

Bottom line is - you need to stop
dwelling on their dick behaviour and move on.

They are making you feel awful so don’t visit - it sounds like it’s unpleasant for all
parties. You won’t shed your image (real or perceived) as the black sheep, but at least by removing yourself from the situation you won’t be confronted by this torment on a regular basis.

It might make your mother realise what she has lost, or she may dig deeper in with your sister in law etc, but nothing you do will change the dynamic it sounds like, so you may as well look out for yourself and your kids and concentrate on happier times spent with them and ppl who genuinely appreciate and do want to spend time with you.

You will probably get guilt tripped that you never visit - feed them the same lines they feed you - you’re too busy right now, your in laws have invited you somewhere, your DD is taking you out to lunch etc. you’ll let them know when you get back!

It’s interesting that your sister is competing now for your mother’s attention, but left solely to look after her affairs I’m sure she’ll want to know exactly why you aren’t round there as much. You’ll just have to be strong.

A possible outcome would be that your mother leaves the majority of any inheritance to them - but imagine your feelings if you put yourself through this mental and emotional torment and she does that anyway, which seems likely. Perhaps this is part of their thought process - the hopes they can curry favour so she is more generous to them - family members can be fucking awful, but ultimately, a good proportion are always going to be looking out for themselves and their children - there’s not a lot you can do without coming across as money-motivated yourself.

I feel for you OP. At 86 who knows how many years she has left, so I can understand you wanting to spend as much time with her as possible. But I would reiterate the best thing you can probably do is step back as you aren’t making yourself feel any better. Try a therapist and you can always use this as a reason you are keeping your distance. It sounds pretty toxic.

Good luck.

Iaskedyouthrice · 20/04/2024 08:50

Oh OP stop doing this to yourself. What you suggest sounds perfect. I wouldn't even ring between visits. I think you would benefit from therapy before you are expected to fulfill a caring role. The potential trouble that could be caused if you did the care for your mum could be disastrous for you.
You need to step away. For you and for your kids. These people just bring drama to your life. Good luck.

BollockstoThis1 · 20/04/2024 19:27

@Sceptical123 and all the other non antagonistic posters.

A lot of what you say is spot on. It is a very toxic environment and they all absolutely pander to her. DM is enjoying all the visiting and milking it. She is early 80’s not 86 and she is not a frail and feeble old lady. She has all her faculties but never learned to drive and leaned on my dad too much. I partly visit as its what my kind gentle soul of a dad would want but try not to get mixed up in the madness but that is inevitable with my family. DSIS the youngest was always quite needy as is DB (for reasons I won’t go into) and DM always likes to be needed. So yes I am not like them and DN (replacement youngest child for my DM). So I don’t fit in with this dynamic.

I have cut my visiting right down the last twelve months due to health issues with one of my family members and sick of the moaning and whinging from DM and all the kicks in the teeth from her and niece always coning out on top.

Sometimes DM isn’t too bad and can be quite nice for short spells then she puts the boot in. But I guess I want to spend time with a version of my DM that loves me unconditionally and behaves normally and treats her children equally rather than what I have you are definitely right there @Sceptical123 .

I can never imagine saying to my DC when they are older I’ll let you know to an invitation or using the excuse X already invited me. I would say hang on why don’t we all go together or I have arranged to go out with X on such and such how about I ask if we can add you to the booking so we can all go out together or why don’t we go out on Y day rather than completely snubbing them.

I also thought how my DM would have felt if she wanted to visit and treat her DM on her birthday only to be told after a delay that one of my cousins had already asked her she really wouldn’t have liked it.

DN isn’t organised in the slightest and nothing will have been booked arranged or decided in advance she will just have had her nose put out of joint by my invitation and said but we were going to ask you. As happened on mothers day as I know what she is like and she will have enjoyed my DM choosing her over me. DSIS also said as much re: she didn’t know anything about it until DN sprang it on her just after my invite. Its not something they normally do either. I have invited my mum to us or to go out for years but she always declines so my invite was fairly last minute.

I think DN, DSIS and DB will be likely to benefit much more from DM’s will than I will. DM will justify this by saying financially they are much worse off than I am and they visit more etc. Imagine they are maybe aware or suspect and don’t want to upset the apple cart change so they don’t fall out of favour. DM behaving as she is towards me makes me visit less so this works and she has her justification so no need to feel guilty in the slightest.

DM’s father was also very much like this especially in latter years. He played his children off against one another all his life and even changed his will numerous time in his latter years and wrote one son out completely because he wasn’t willing to dance to his tune any longer.

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Theunamedcat · 20/04/2024 19:42

My mom has done this in the past with me but she used to take my daughter for the afternoon occasionally throw a big family party and not invite me make out that I was "busy" while she played happy family with my daughter and my sister my aunt contacted me in the end and told me off for being rude and not attending....I didn't know I was never invited she then doubled down saying its because I was gluten intolerant and it was just awkward to cater for

Eventually I moved away she threatened court action and all sorts but it never went anywhere im sort of local now and she messages me occasionally posts a card through from time to time my sister gets jealous claiming my mom loves me more because I have children and she doesn't but the fact is they both play games with people's feelings and I CBA to even now our father is in hospital she refused point blank to help out so I did she has been over today (and not updated me i always update her) and dad will fall over himself in gratitude and not bother with me...until he needs more pants I suppose

Families suck and I'm getting close to walking away and leaving them all to it 😂

BollockstoThis1 · 20/04/2024 19:49

@Theunamedcat sorry you are going through similar.

When my dad was alive I thought I had someone in my corner although he tried not to rock the boat with my DM. Occasionally he would speak up and intervene on my behalf.

Some families just get off on game playing. Think my mam prefers to play us off against one another then she has some power over us. Even my DSIS gets annoyed DM and DN’s relationship. But other times she is totally part of the game playing.

Take care

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Sceptical123 · 20/04/2024 19:56

Theunamedcat · 20/04/2024 19:42

My mom has done this in the past with me but she used to take my daughter for the afternoon occasionally throw a big family party and not invite me make out that I was "busy" while she played happy family with my daughter and my sister my aunt contacted me in the end and told me off for being rude and not attending....I didn't know I was never invited she then doubled down saying its because I was gluten intolerant and it was just awkward to cater for

Eventually I moved away she threatened court action and all sorts but it never went anywhere im sort of local now and she messages me occasionally posts a card through from time to time my sister gets jealous claiming my mom loves me more because I have children and she doesn't but the fact is they both play games with people's feelings and I CBA to even now our father is in hospital she refused point blank to help out so I did she has been over today (and not updated me i always update her) and dad will fall over himself in gratitude and not bother with me...until he needs more pants I suppose

Families suck and I'm getting close to walking away and leaving them all to it 😂

Bloody hell, what is it with twat siblings? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Your last sentiment is spot on. If it was anyone BUT family it’d be far easier to never see them again, but not so easy making the decision with relatives. Sometimes it’s the only option though.

Hope yours behave better for you too x

Sceptical123 · 20/04/2024 20:03

BollockstoThis1 · 20/04/2024 19:27

@Sceptical123 and all the other non antagonistic posters.

A lot of what you say is spot on. It is a very toxic environment and they all absolutely pander to her. DM is enjoying all the visiting and milking it. She is early 80’s not 86 and she is not a frail and feeble old lady. She has all her faculties but never learned to drive and leaned on my dad too much. I partly visit as its what my kind gentle soul of a dad would want but try not to get mixed up in the madness but that is inevitable with my family. DSIS the youngest was always quite needy as is DB (for reasons I won’t go into) and DM always likes to be needed. So yes I am not like them and DN (replacement youngest child for my DM). So I don’t fit in with this dynamic.

I have cut my visiting right down the last twelve months due to health issues with one of my family members and sick of the moaning and whinging from DM and all the kicks in the teeth from her and niece always coning out on top.

Sometimes DM isn’t too bad and can be quite nice for short spells then she puts the boot in. But I guess I want to spend time with a version of my DM that loves me unconditionally and behaves normally and treats her children equally rather than what I have you are definitely right there @Sceptical123 .

I can never imagine saying to my DC when they are older I’ll let you know to an invitation or using the excuse X already invited me. I would say hang on why don’t we all go together or I have arranged to go out with X on such and such how about I ask if we can add you to the booking so we can all go out together or why don’t we go out on Y day rather than completely snubbing them.

I also thought how my DM would have felt if she wanted to visit and treat her DM on her birthday only to be told after a delay that one of my cousins had already asked her she really wouldn’t have liked it.

DN isn’t organised in the slightest and nothing will have been booked arranged or decided in advance she will just have had her nose put out of joint by my invitation and said but we were going to ask you. As happened on mothers day as I know what she is like and she will have enjoyed my DM choosing her over me. DSIS also said as much re: she didn’t know anything about it until DN sprang it on her just after my invite. Its not something they normally do either. I have invited my mum to us or to go out for years but she always declines so my invite was fairly last minute.

I think DN, DSIS and DB will be likely to benefit much more from DM’s will than I will. DM will justify this by saying financially they are much worse off than I am and they visit more etc. Imagine they are maybe aware or suspect and don’t want to upset the apple cart change so they don’t fall out of favour. DM behaving as she is towards me makes me visit less so this works and she has her justification so no need to feel guilty in the slightest.

DM’s father was also very much like this especially in latter years. He played his children off against one another all his life and even changed his will numerous time in his latter years and wrote one son out completely because he wasn’t willing to dance to his tune any longer.

Sorry to hear how hard it is for you OP. It sounds like you’ve accepted what may be the likely outcome and are prepared for it. Your mum sounds like she has a template for familial behaviour in her dad, which is a shame. But she is missing out big time, spending quality time with you and your children, it probably boils down to jealousy. She may also resent the fact that you don’t need her emotionally like your other family members?

Your niece sounds like an utter piece of work and your mum should probably be reminded she has more than one granddaughter and to consider her feelings in all this as she’s clearly playing favourites.

Try to stay positive, OP, it sounds like without you in the picture they may resort to fighting among themselves if only to continue the drama.

Enjoy your weekend x

BollockstoThis1 · 20/04/2024 20:29

Thanks for your sound advice @Sceptical123 you too.

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pimplebum · 21/04/2024 07:23

What is stopping you from organising something WITH niece? Be direct and tell nice how sad you u are about Missing special events like Mother's Day
If they and your mum continue to prevent this then take the hint and take a step back
Ring your mum and say "I'd like to spend more time with you and treat you to a nice day out ring me when you are ready for that "

And wait

pimplebum · 21/04/2024 07:24

You do sound dismissive and f PND and anxiety ? Maybe they get on better because the " get" each other? Possibly

BollockstoThis1 · 21/04/2024 08:38

@pimplebum DN is in early twenties so hasn’t got a lot of money. If she offers to take DM out then DM always pays for the snack, meal or coffees etc. DSIS is older but in the same situation. I think they paid once when DN went off to Uni.

Whereas, if we offer to take my DM out we always pay except very occasionally if its just us and its just a coffee. It would be awkward from a monetary perspective and if more people there DN wouldn’t be able to hold court. So she goes quiet and everyone (DM, DSIS) would ask her what was wrong (as usually she is loud, opinionated and you can’t shut her up). If asked as have overheard her say quietly nothing, its not the same when bollocks is there or it’s because I don’t like her etc. Meanwhile I am really trying with her and showing an interest in her which is never reciprocated by asking about me or asking about my DC her cousins or anything else.

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Causewerethespecialtwo · 21/04/2024 08:53

Your sister is the golden child, her children are the golden grandchildren.

You just can’t compete and you will make yourself feel like shit if you try.

I’ve given up on my Mum. Whenever I see her she just bombards me with stories of my brother and his two wonder children. If I mentioned “my child learned to ride their bike this week” without fail the response would be “oh golden grandchild learn to ride a unicycle upside down doing a handstand when they were a year younger than your child!” If I sent my Mum a photo of my child on roller skates she would send me back a video of my brothers children skating backwards on ice skates. I once dropped in to see her for 45 minutes for a coffee and counted how many times she said my brothers name - 19 times in 45 minutes!

I stepped away and stopped trying to have a relationship with her.

HelloDenise · 21/04/2024 08:54

Maddy70 · 18/04/2024 16:41

Pressed send to early

Only when you stop pressuring her and yourself to have this perfect family (which doesn't exist) will things seem better

Stop thinking of them as them against you.

It really isnt a competition

I don't think you should have pressed send at all

sandyhappypeople · 21/04/2024 09:13

Causewerethespecialtwo · 21/04/2024 08:53

Your sister is the golden child, her children are the golden grandchildren.

You just can’t compete and you will make yourself feel like shit if you try.

I’ve given up on my Mum. Whenever I see her she just bombards me with stories of my brother and his two wonder children. If I mentioned “my child learned to ride their bike this week” without fail the response would be “oh golden grandchild learn to ride a unicycle upside down doing a handstand when they were a year younger than your child!” If I sent my Mum a photo of my child on roller skates she would send me back a video of my brothers children skating backwards on ice skates. I once dropped in to see her for 45 minutes for a coffee and counted how many times she said my brothers name - 19 times in 45 minutes!

I stepped away and stopped trying to have a relationship with her.

Have you ever told her outright? I don’t actually understand why parents do this but I do wonder if they think they are genuinely having a normal ‘conversation’ by doing this, and if no one says anything they just do it all the more.

when my sister had her child, my mum would gush about him all the time as he was the only young one in the family at that point.. I used to say to her, in jest but not really, ‘good god are we going to have the stevie show all day, have we lost the ability to talk about anything else?!’ then she’d realise what she was doing, I didn’t have a child at the time but if she’d have done this to me I’d have asked her why she was constantly comparing them rather then celebrating my joy with me? It I had that sort of relationship with her where we could always tell each other straight when things were pissing us off.

now I’m a parent of the youngest one in the family I’m so aware of it, and I hear their (PIL) grandparents gushing about them to their aunts uncles and other grandkids and I always try and steer things back to what other people are doing. They are lovely people, but I honestly don’t think they can see the problem with it, where as to me it’s obvious, I only hope that when I’m not there, my siblings in law tell them to cram it like I used to my mum!

BollockstoThis1 · 21/04/2024 09:33

@Causewerethespecialtwo my DM wasn’t quite that blatant but she would go into a 10 minute talk especially on the phone all about DN then almost as an after thought she would add in how are the children (meaning my two her grandchildren as though she had forgotten names or didn’t know them very well which she didn’t). Both mine have traditional classic relatively short names not pretentious names etc.

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BollockstoThis1 · 21/04/2024 09:40

I would defensively say oh you mean X and Y your grandchildren.

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