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Elderly mother slap in the face

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BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 14:54

Elderly DM and niece are close as sis insisted she had pnd for first 5 years of nieces life (which coincided with my twos DC’s birth). As niece was at my mums being looked after practically every day of her life for the first 5 years. My mother was busy and had no time or interest in me or my family.

Fast forward to now my niece has stepped up her visiting again now she has left Uni and DM is in her early 80’s. Any recent gifts I have given my DM over the last few years have been relegated to the bottom of her stairs around the corner on the carpet. No photos of me or my DC’s now older teens are in my mothers living room (my DD hates her photo taken so no recent photos of us all). I asked DM about this recently and she said they have grown up and they have gone now. Yet niece is older than both my two but the photos of her are perhaps more recent. Their is a photo of my DB, my sis and several of my niece (including one with her dogs). Alongside an assortment of nieces tat presents on display with nanna or grandma on.

Just before Mothers day I stupidly naively asked my mother if she wanted to go out for lunch. I was told she would let me know nearer the time and see how she felt on the day (yet she is in good health but sometimes uses anxiety as an excuse with me). Then she said she wouldn’t bother a day or so beforehand. But on the day she contacted me to say she had been out for a coffee and a scone with sis and niece it was a last minute thing, she didn’t know anything about it as it was a nice surprise etc. Basically rubbing my nose in it.

It doesn’t matter what I try to do or whether I give my DM notice or leave it to the last min the response is the same and I am given a clear message that at best I am last reserve. It was her birthday last week and I was working in the run up to her birthday but I offered to come round and see her on her birthday or take her out for lunch on the day if she was free. A long delay followed then guess what my niece had supposedly already asked her to go out for lunch on the day of her birthday but she was just waiting to check with her boyfriend that he was definitely free and he hadn’t planned anything so that was why my mum delayed responding to me. My mum said she didn’t know where they were going or what time she would be back but she would phone me (expecting me to put my day on hold) and let me know when they were back. My niece has form for taking the pee if my mum is visiting us which is rare niece will call or visit before so my mum will be very late. Or if she knows I am visiting my DM, my niece will deliberately take my mum out in the car or round to hers so I can’t visit etc.

My invitations are casual and genuine because I want to spend time with my mum but these are more on my terms as I have been knocked back so many times. I am mad at myself for going back for more and keep hoping for a different outcome. Mad at my niece for being manipulative and mad at my mum for keeping on putting the boot in and being suckered in by my niece. But I guess my DM is enjoying playing us off against each other and only doing that because I let her.

Well done if you got to the end of this.

Any advice? I have tried speaking to my mum in the past many times but she always turns it round to I am bitter, I am jealous, she didn’t know I felt like that, she didn’t realise, it wasn’t her fault she didn’t mean anything by it and thought I might say that or think that.

OP posts:
FreeTheBeast · 18/04/2024 17:28

@Maddy70

It's not nasty... im advising her to relax and not take it to heart. Perfect families don't exist and shes making this into a competition unnecessarily which is making her unhappy.

C'mon, try reading your post again. You can't possibly think you were trying to be helpful. If you were then I think you need a rethink as to how you word things. This is not AIBU.

BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 17:28

Thats it exactly @dodobookends

Thanks @Foxblue I was struggling coping with the day to day too as an older mum with health issues and having two children close together and the cost of childcare was crippling but we never got a look in as it was always about niece. Either in terms of time, childcare anything. I never had the luxury of being depressed my DM was never interested.

Yet sis got free childcare for work, to clean, to talk to her partner, to see her friends. Then she chucked her partner out two weeks my DS was born. I did ask to see my mum and for help with childcare for work or a night out or to give me a couple of hours off occasionally but my mum always made excuses and put my mum and sister first.

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spacehoppercommuter · 18/04/2024 17:34

I dont really understand the posts here about bending over backwards and begging to spend time with your mum when it's convenient and only if she isnt with the niece. Bloody hell.

Relationships should be reciprocal- not one person begging to spend time with the other all the time, thats really unhealthy and you're being treated like the dirt on her shoe.

As sad as it is, I'd be withdrawing, stepping back and accepting that she has made her choice and I am not her priority. For the life of me I cannot understand a mother rejecting her daughter like this, its so very sad and hurtful.

Step back OP and focus on your own life, thats exactly what your mother is doing so mirror that.

orangetanlady76 · 18/04/2024 17:41

Sending you support and understanding.
We have a member of family exactly the same.
You are not jealous just would like to feel valued like your niece does.
Your mum isn't a very nice lady because she is putting your niece above her own daughter and you have made lots of effort.
My advise would be to step back and let them get on with it. She will need something one day and that's when you tell her to phone your niece!
Your mum unfortunately sounds very manipulative as she waits for what she considers a better offer.
You just sound a very caring kind person who isn't been respected or valued. Your mum knows what's she doing. She's nasty and now you should just stop asking to do things with her or phoning her.
You don't need to calm down or whatever some of the trolls that come on here say just decide you are done.
It's hard but you will feel so much stronger and maybe one day you will be asked to do something and you can say you've already got plans.
Sending you lots of hugs and empathy. Take no notice of the nasties on here.

orangetanlady76 · 18/04/2024 17:42

spacehoppercommuter · 18/04/2024 17:34

I dont really understand the posts here about bending over backwards and begging to spend time with your mum when it's convenient and only if she isnt with the niece. Bloody hell.

Relationships should be reciprocal- not one person begging to spend time with the other all the time, thats really unhealthy and you're being treated like the dirt on her shoe.

As sad as it is, I'd be withdrawing, stepping back and accepting that she has made her choice and I am not her priority. For the life of me I cannot understand a mother rejecting her daughter like this, its so very sad and hurtful.

Step back OP and focus on your own life, thats exactly what your mother is doing so mirror that.

I agree with this

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HeddaGarbled · 18/04/2024 17:55

I never had the luxury of being depressed

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LakeSnake · 18/04/2024 18:02

Maddy70 · 18/04/2024 17:09

Its not nasty... im advising her to relax and not take it to heart. Perfect families don't exist and shes making this into a competition unnecessarily which is making her unhappy.

Funny,

Id swore it wasnt the OP creating that ‘competition’ but the mum.
Must be reading a different thread…..

orangetanlady76 · 18/04/2024 18:09

HeddaGarbled · 18/04/2024 17:55

I never had the luxury of being depressed

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Op came on here for help.
What help have you given so far??

WhistPie · 18/04/2024 18:10

As others have said. Step back. Move to Christmas and Birthday cards only. See if she notices. Stop caring!

LakeSnake · 18/04/2024 18:11

@BollockstoThis1 ive seen that sort if behaviour play out between my dad and his parents.

Youve tried all the logical things to do to keep the relationship going and yet your mum takes a delight in telling you she went out with your Dsis and niece after she had just refused the same offer from you.
I dint think it’s going to change. I dint think your mum is going to change. For that to happen would need a huge effort on her side. Like it is when you want to change engrained dynamics between 2 people.

What I saw with my dad was him trying to be the bigger person, stay in touch etc… and be knocked back and hurt again and again.
I wouldn’t advise anyone to do that.

I’m wondering, what would happen if you were to step back and not see or phone her for a while . Would she take the lead?
And how would you feel about being low contact with her instead of extending an offer that is likely to be rejected if something else better comes along?

Everythingtoseehere · 18/04/2024 18:14

@BollockstoThis1 Come to the stately homes thread on the relationships board my lovely 🥰

Riapia · 18/04/2024 18:34

Don’t take part in the pick-me dance.

MikiSu · 18/04/2024 19:11

You've posted this before, why again?

Tbry24 · 18/04/2024 19:19

Everythingtoseehere · 18/04/2024 18:14

@BollockstoThis1 Come to the stately homes thread on the relationships board my lovely 🥰

Definitely, we all know what family dynamics like this are like. I’ve not been to the thread for a while but I’m NC with all my siblings and their families and LC with my parents.

Lavender14 · 18/04/2024 19:27

Op, truthfully I'm torn here. The way you talk about your mum and your sister and your attitude towards mental health in general is pretty poor which I think is what's getting so many peoples backs up.

Depression is never a luxury. To speak that way about it not only is pretty harsh on your sister, but it's dismissing the experience of every reader who has experienced it. It's not something you insist on and anxiety isn't something that you just put on when you don't want to do something.

I'd also say that as an older mum who's mum did all her sisters childcare - I made my choice to have children because I wanted to have children. My mum has had a long standing commitment with my sister and her dc and she's not up to taking on any more. It's just the reality - it's not fair for me to take that personally. And in that respect you seem to feel very hard done by but you're not entitled to that from your mum. She's clearly recognised that your sister has been struggling mentally, has had a relationship breakdown and probably never felt able to say no to her, she was obligated to help whereas she perhaps saw you as more capable, which you are since you've made it work.

If you've expressed these sentiments to them over the years then it's possible that has put you both at odds with each other and neither of you have known how to right the relationship again which is sad for both of you. And I do feel sympathy for you, she's your mum and its clear that you want more of a relationship with her.

I think you need to maybe take a step back and take the relationship for what it is. Keep offering but with no expectations. Or suggest that you, dsis and neice go out together to your mum. Or call in unexpectedly with buns and make her a quick cuppa maybe. Maybe you could send a card or flowers or something small that she likes from time to time to let her know you're thinking of her.

Your mum is very elderly now, and while she may be of sound mind it's normal for older people not to have the same resilience for stress. So I'd start small, not put her in the middle or make a competition out of anything and I'd probably seek counselling to help you let go of those years of hurt and feeling left out that you've been carrying around, for yourself if nothing else because that has to get heavy.

Neveralonewithaclone · 18/04/2024 19:49

I wonder if your mum is triangulating all of it to make everyone snap and snarl and beg for attention? Mine did, totally toxic horrible family dynamics.

Give yourself the gift of leaving them to their bullshit and just wait to be invited, or not. You're free.

Bookworm1111 · 18/04/2024 19:54

Maybe your mum just really likes niece's company more than yours? You're quite disparaging in your tone and if you're like that IRL, maybe your mum finds it off-putting?

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2024 19:57

This sounds familiar. Have you posted about this before @BollockstoThis1?

BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 19:59

HeddaGarbled · 18/04/2024 17:55

I never had the luxury of being depressed

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I had no one else to look after my much younger DC if I couldn’t cope I never had the luxury of my mum looking after my kids while I tidied up, talked to my partner, had date night, went out with my mates, picked my DC up on a morning to give me time to get ready for work or just had some time to myself etc.

I had to plough on regardless how I was feeling physically and emotionally or my DC would have been taken into care whilst my DM was too busy with niece to do anything at all to help either show an interest, collect prescriptions, whilst I had a Dr’s or hospital appointment or sod all else and yes I did ask for help but it was never forthcoming.

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gamerchick · 18/04/2024 20:06

You need to take a massive step back OP. Stop the ride and get off. Your mother has made her bed and you need to let her lie in it.

For your own mental health you have to detach this kind of competition doesn't do anyone any good.

Tell your sister and niece that you're so glad they're so close to your mother. It means they'll be on hand to do the hands on care later on.

Stop feeding it all.

TammyJones · 18/04/2024 20:07

Mischance · 18/04/2024 16:19

I would step back - it is far from ideal but it is what it is and you are only giving yourself grief by banging your head against this particular brick wall.

Maybe contact and say "Is there anything you would like to do for your birthday/Mother's Day/whatever?" Leave the ball in her court.

Yep
This.

BollockstoThis1 · 18/04/2024 20:12

Thanks all.

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SaturdayFive · 18/04/2024 20:13

My mum's the same with me. It is very hurtful. Not really got any advice, apart from ignore the unhelpful posters who haven't experienced people faking illness for attention.
If I suggest things to do together with my mum in advance she says she'll play it by ear, not sure what she's doing.. then on the day she's booked up. It's made me not like her very much. She knows she's doing it too as she tries to hide what she's done, a bit difficult when sis puts it on social media. It's horrible to be disliked by your blood relatives. All you can do is leave them to it and spend time with people who do like you. Some mothers are not a positive influence once you grow up.

Runnerinthenight · 18/04/2024 20:14

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/04/2024 16:43

Ignore the numbnut posters who think this is about you being intense @BollockstoThis1 🙄 It’s obvious that this is a painful relationship where you feel rejected in favour of your niece and DSil because you are being rejected in favour of them. Your feelings are natural.

I don’t know what to suggest other than accept it exactly as it is and, knowing her for exactly who she is and being unable to change her crap behaviour, think about how often you want to engage with her and what that might look like.

This!!

Honest to god I don't know where all the numpties have come from that think this is in any way ok!! It's clearly not!!

@BollockstoThis1 please don't let them get to you. It must be so hurtful!

I don't think there's a lot you can do, other than maybe drop in unannounced - don't give your mother the option to put you off.