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How would you interpret this?

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OldTedBear · 02/04/2024 07:48

I've been with my partner for around 3 years. We moved in together about 6 months ago. We're both older.

Since we got together, he, his adult children, one of his children's partner and I have gone to a 4 day festival together.

After we went last year, he said he didn't think he'd go again because something had changed the previous year and he wasn't as keen. I'd only been a few times, so didn't really notice the change.

Then, in November, he said that he was going to get his and his children's tickets when the Early Bird ones were released. It was the first time it had been mentioned since he'd said he wasn't going. He asked if I was going to go. I said I didn't know because, honestly, I'd not thought about it since we'd said we weren't going and so hadn't reconsidered. I was surprised hed changed his mind but wasn't against the idea. He just said he'd thought about it and probably would enjoy it when he was there. Fair enough.

Roll on a few weeks and he bought the tickets. He mentioned that he'd bought the tickets for his children for Christmas and that he'd got his but that was all. He didn't ask if I was going or talk about the festival at all. So I just left it rather than make a big deal about it when the conversation was about Christmas presents.

In late Jan, we went out for dinner with his children and they brought it up. One asked me if I was going and I said again that I didn't know. I hadn't bought a ticket at that point and he and I hadn't talked about it. She said she wanted me to go.

In Feb, I booked the time off work to go and told him but, by then, I had got the distinct impression that he didn't want me there. Mainly because in previous years, he's talked a lot from christmas onwards about the bands who were playing - checking for updates tp the line up etc, looking forward to it, discussing and planning for it etc and this year there's been nothing. It just feels a bit awkward, tbh.

2 weeks ago, he asked me out of the blue if I'd got my ticket yet. I said not yet and reminded him that I'd booked the time of work (there are still plenty of tickets available). But that was it. There was no further conversation - he just asked that and said nothing else. On reflection, it felt more like he was checking that I wasn't going than hoping that I was.

I can't explain but when you know someome well, you pick up on changes in tone, wording, nature of the conversation, enthusiasm etc. I think some people will think I should just get a ticket or I'm being difficult but the atmosphere around the whole thing is very different this year and it feels different. It feels like the elephant in the room.

Anyway. I had a bit of an epiphany over the weekend.

He can he very conflict avoidant. In some respects, this is great because who wants a confrontational partner? But, at the same time, it means that, when he has a problem with someone/something, he tends to just ignore it and hope the problem will go away/resolve itself rather than addressing it head on.

I realised over the weekend that this is what he is doing to me.

The festival is fast approaching and, by this time in previous years we'd made travel arrangements with his children, started to plan which bands we'd see, talked about which of our friends were also going and started to chat about who we hoped to bump into from previous years. Just general looking forward to it chat about stuff.

But this year, there's been nothing. I can't actually make a decision on buying a ticket until I actually know whether I'm welcome or not.

If he'd wanted the weekend with just his children, that would be fine and I'd understand but both of his children's partners are going this year so it won't be just a few days away with them alone anyway.

He doesn't want me to go, does he?

OP posts:
ArcaneWireless · 02/04/2024 16:07

Mmhmmn · 02/04/2024 15:48

BTW (and genuine q, not meant to offend), are you usually prone to over-thinking or only since being with him?

If this is the way he has been communicating, I would go with the latter.

tiggersfamily · 02/04/2024 18:02

Sounds like a tiring relationship with 0 communication

Ohffsbarbara · 02/04/2024 19:11

Ultimately I think you have to ask yourself why you’re accepting a marriage proposal from someone who is happy to go to a festival with his grownup dcs and their partners but exclude the woman he is supposed to love (or at least try to make her feel unwelcome so she doesn’t go)?

That isn’t normal behaviour and neither is keeping the proposal a secret.

He sounds like the type who wants to go off and have it large without a gf holding him back. Take from that what you will.

Mmhmmn · 02/04/2024 20:34

ArcaneWireless · 02/04/2024 16:07

If this is the way he has been communicating, I would go with the latter.

Yep that’d be my guess.

BunniesRUs · 02/04/2024 21:18

Hope it goes ok. Even I'm nervous now!

PinkFizz1 · 02/04/2024 21:36

How did it go OP?

OldTedBear · 03/04/2024 10:12

Hi. Thanks for all of your help yesterday.

Well, I met him and we talked and he was just shocked.

Shocked that I'd even doubted that I was included. He'd assumed that me booking the time off work was confirmation I was going.

I said it hadn't been discussed and I hadn't been specifically invited and there had been no discussion around it. He said that he couldn't reallly explain that and that there just hadn't been as much info released this year and that, when anyone has asked him, he's told them I'm going.

He said that it's obviously up to me whether I go or not but he would obviously prefer it if I went.

I said I thought he'd probably have a better time without me there - the opportunity for a weekend of freedom and chatting to others, just being sociable and he said that he'd told me what happened the other year so I'd know what he'd been doing without me there but that wasn't because it's what he'd prefer to be doing and that he'd obviously prefer me to go than not.

As for the secret engagement, he said he'd just prefer to make a proper announcement rather than just tell people in passing. It's not intended to be secret, but he thought it would be nice if it was special.

I pointed out that he hadn't communicated any of it to me and he said that he thought it was obvious.

He said that he just sees everything as "We're together so why wouldn't we do things together?" And was surprised I was expecting to be invited. He just said that he's on my side and not the enemy and I need to remember that.

OP posts:
maudelovesharold · 03/04/2024 10:18

Has his response put your mind at rest?

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 03/04/2024 10:24

It wasn't that you were expecting to be invited, just included in his thoughts on the event!

He sounds well-intentioned, possibly responds positively when others organise things but not proactive when it comes to organising something himself. Would he prefer it if the family announcement dinner somehow organised itself, do you think?!

ArcaneWireless · 03/04/2024 10:40

The explanation seems fair enough.

He just said that he's on my side and not the enemy and I need to remember that

But this bit? Not so much.

OldTedBear · 03/04/2024 10:52

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 03/04/2024 10:24

It wasn't that you were expecting to be invited, just included in his thoughts on the event!

He sounds well-intentioned, possibly responds positively when others organise things but not proactive when it comes to organising something himself. Would he prefer it if the family announcement dinner somehow organised itself, do you think?!

He said he was waiting for a couple of things that I hadn't considered. What he said makes sense but he hadn't actually communicated any of it to me.

He's not an arrogant taking control of things man but, on reflection, I think his ex wife was happy to just let him take the lead and get on with organising things. Not a criticism of her at all but he's just used to doing that and others being happy to let him do so.

Has his response put your mind at rest?

It has.

I suppose he's learning that I don't like to he left in the dark and want to be communicated with as much as I'm learning that he's not an arsehole who's out to ruin my life...

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 03/04/2024 11:23

As long as it's put your mind at rest that's the most important thing because you know him best and you know how his explanation came across.

The "enemy " comment was a bit disingenuous though, almost guilting you for wanting to broach the subject. None of his behaviour around the festival signalled his enthusiasm to have you involved, but hey, nobody's perfect, probably time to let that go and enjoy the event.

Ohffsbarbara · 03/04/2024 12:30

OldTedBear · 03/04/2024 10:12

Hi. Thanks for all of your help yesterday.

Well, I met him and we talked and he was just shocked.

Shocked that I'd even doubted that I was included. He'd assumed that me booking the time off work was confirmation I was going.

I said it hadn't been discussed and I hadn't been specifically invited and there had been no discussion around it. He said that he couldn't reallly explain that and that there just hadn't been as much info released this year and that, when anyone has asked him, he's told them I'm going.

He said that it's obviously up to me whether I go or not but he would obviously prefer it if I went.

I said I thought he'd probably have a better time without me there - the opportunity for a weekend of freedom and chatting to others, just being sociable and he said that he'd told me what happened the other year so I'd know what he'd been doing without me there but that wasn't because it's what he'd prefer to be doing and that he'd obviously prefer me to go than not.

As for the secret engagement, he said he'd just prefer to make a proper announcement rather than just tell people in passing. It's not intended to be secret, but he thought it would be nice if it was special.

I pointed out that he hadn't communicated any of it to me and he said that he thought it was obvious.

He said that he just sees everything as "We're together so why wouldn't we do things together?" And was surprised I was expecting to be invited. He just said that he's on my side and not the enemy and I need to remember that.

That’s a nice update op - I’m glad he’s put your mind at rest.

Obviously just a case of massive overthinking/feeling insecure on your part.

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 03/04/2024 13:13

This is very good OP. I'm delighted for you.

AliceOlive · 03/04/2024 13:15

Lovely update!!

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 04/04/2024 09:24

Obviously just a case of massive overthinking/feeling insecure on your part.

I think this is unfair to the OP and paints her as the issue, like his enemy comment. It's more miscommunication of a relatively new relationship and a learning moment for both of them about the other.

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