Imagine A World Without Men

[Interested2024]

What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

I’ve already found such a place - my home and private life are male free, I don’t even have any male “friends”.

I feel safe and content.

It might be male free in occupancy, but I guess men empty your bins every week, predominantly keep your clean water flowing, and drainage systems, and are on hand if you need a plumber or work done around the house (not that women can't do these things btw).

I’m part of a portal that has recommendations for tradeswomen.

My direct contact with men is negligible.

I see the point you’re trying to make but you are being too literal, this is NOT a male free world, but my world is as near to being that as possible under the circumstances.

It was tried on a smaller scale. You could look that up.

Obviously if you are trying to think of a state that ran with none you need to think of how easily it would be to get women to take the jobs dominated by men. Which depends on whether you think the reason women don’t sign up to go in sewers is because women really want to but are fooled by men to leave those jobs for them.

I don't like a lot of women either though.

Human beings are cruel in general

Don’t think it would make much difference really. You’d still get inequality; one person would have to stay at home with the kids. Those from more deprived backgrounds would gravitate towards the less well paid jobs. There would still be violence and struggles in the world and the workplace, because we are all human.

Some would be more equal than others.

You will be good enough when there's no men around to sap your confidence

No, violence would almost completely disappear. Women are not inherently violent and are usually only driven to it by men.

The levels of domestic violence in lesbian relationships would indicate otherwise.

Except it won't, because the skill level is nowhere near what the men have. The same applies to other sports such as football and rugby. Those sports would eventually die off without men. It has nothing to do with confidence and everything to do with physical ability.

You could look in to the history of these communes:
Womyn's land - Wikipedia

"No, violence would almost completely disappear."

That's one of the most naive statements I've ever read.

@LancashireTart your posts are some of the most misogynistic statements I've ever read.

You are confusing simple facts with misogyny.

Ah the mysogeny trump card. As rain has stopped my DIY for the time being, let’s dig into things a bit.

“ In 2022/23 the most common offence people in England and Wales were arrested for was violence against the person, at 251,311 men, 56,868 women, 71 other and 821 unknown.”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/377453/females-arrests-type-of-offense-england-and-wales/

So, about 1 in 6 violent crimes is committed by women, and 57,000 incidents a year is hardly next to nothing as you seem to be suggesting. I would go a bit further here however. How many violent crimes committed by women do you suppose go unreported?

59% of men calling a domestic abuse helpline have never discussed it with anyone.

1 in 3 victims of domestic abuse are men.

1 in 7 men will be a victim of domestic abuse in their lifetime.

https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/

As a 6’2 bloke I have been both sexually and physically assaulted numerous times by women. I had a hen party rip my underwear off me in a nightclub causing trauma, and no I didn’t enjoy it and I didn’t know any of these women. I have more than once been fondled shall we say whilst out. I had my underwear pinged at work whilst leaning over a table by a female colleague I’d never met who laughed and walked off when I asked her WTF? My ex gf punched me more than once and no it wasn’t in self defence, it was because she used to get crazy sometimes and lash out, particularly when drunk. I have many male friends who have the same stories. None of this has ever been reported as I’m a bloke right, and this doesn’t happen to men. It happens all the flipping time.

This isn’t a competition, and yes this happens to women and likely more often. As per the previous post however, you are naive at best if you think that women are angelic and don’t engage in all the things that men do. I bet if you were being honest you have times in your life where you’ve not exactly behaved great. You won’t admit so here, but you have as have we all. Reading this thread has been eye opening in terms of the flat out hatred of men that some have. If you think this is either healthy or normal I’d encourage you genuinely to try and do better.

You can stay in the man's world, as you wish.

I'll be with my sisters in a better world 💞

You can believe in your misguided little fantasy all you like, the fact is that it would definitely not be a better world.

That's a brilliant post.

Of course, in classic Mumsnet fashion it's inevitable that some on here will be accusing you of misogyny simply for stating facts.

I'm sorry for what you've experienced.

I'm not interested in your opinion on this so that's fine.

@NonmagicMike I accept that women commit some of the violent crime in our society. But... this conversation is about how an imaginary women's world might look, not a thread about the status quo.

I believe that if men were not around to oppress women - in all the myriad ways we are oppressed by men, from murder, FGM, DV, rape, economic inequalities, to coercive control, imbalances in domestic and professional roles and our skewed sense of identity and self - that women would act very differently in a women-only world.

I've already commented that it's almost impossible to contemplate what that world might be like. There are just too many variables (reproduction? Social history of a mixed society or men never existed? etc etc).

But looking at it in the spirit of the OP's post, I do believe that a women-only society would have little or no violence because the whole ecosystem would function differently. So it's not as simple as 'current stats say X'. If you change variables in a complex equation, the overall proposition shifts, often with unforeseen dynamics coming into play which create unexpected end results.

That's the spirit of the OP and this thread I think - what might those changed dynamics look like? It was certainly not intended to provide just another chance for people to promote offensively false views like men and women have equal opportunities, women are just as guilty as men of committing crime, women somehow deserve their lot etc ef-bloody-cetera.

Why don't you and others who always highjack these kind of threads start your own thread about your beliefs that men are badly served by stats and how women are just as violent, etc? Oh yeh, I know why. No one on MN would engage with you. So you look for threads where women are discussing topics related to their oppression by men and weedle your way in with offensive, misogynistic trollish comments. You are sad!

I am amazed by how some people can have such faith in the c. 50% of humanity

assuming we would still be humans, society made just of women with no existing structure would start of with figuring out who gets to call shots...and some women are not nice

although I imagine it would have a nasty cult vibe rather than outright "stick war" violence vibe

So the answer to all this from your perspective is to ban or censor the other side? Don’t see how me presenting figures and facts is trolling? I also don’t see what mysoginistic or offensive comments I’ve posted either. Maybe you can point them out?

In engaging with how a female only world might look, is it not sensible to look at what the current female world looks like? I.e the fact that women are more than capable of violence? Are more than capable of evil? You believe that this imaginary world would be bliss. I and many other posters here think it wouldn’t. You’ve built a strawman argument above to take offense about as you no doubt equate that with being right. I’ve not posted anything about economic inequalities or women deserving their lot in life and the myriad of other things you’ve put. You’re either capable of engaging with facts and figures or you’re not. Hurling abuse at people on an internet forum
because they don’t subscribe to your world view of the patriarchy speaks more about you than I.

@NonmagicMike

"speaks more about you than I."
😱

It speaks more about you than me.

Wasn't going to reply but can't bear bad grammar. (Tip for the future, remove the ref to the other person: 'speaks more about I ✖️ speaks more about me ✅, or "when he said that nonsense it did not even fizz on the other sensible posters and me".)

So to summarise, all you have in response is an attempt at grammatical one up(wo)manship? Not able to defend your earlier position? Thought not.