Imagine A World Without Men

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What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

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Just ignore the incel posts @Sashamalia . He hadn't replied to any until someone gave him fuel.

Yep best ignored - clearly an incel after attention

I work in a job that is solely run by females..no males (DV). We all get on...if theres problems we sort it without animosity or judgement. Supportive environment.

As a sci-fi novel it would be interesting. Though so am sure there is a small tribal society like this where the women dominate and the men live separately.

It's a bit obscure, but French author Christine de
Pisan was considering the same questions in 1405, when she published 'The Book of the City of Ladies' - still available in print these days as a paperback! It's an interesting read, and she was a fascinating woman (widowed young, wrote to support herself and her children). Women pondering their own position in a wider context and what a female society would be like.

MN would definitely be better without some of the men who post here

If you read @BoldLeader 's posts picturing him as a spotty, unattractive 17 year old boy who has a crush on someone who doesn't reciprocate, it all makes a bit more sense.

Unfortunately there are adult men who hold similar views (though I find they articulate them in a different way and even a deliberate troll who was post pubescent would be more subtle). Men feel under threat at the moment, because, from a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression, and that is bringing some appalling views out into the open.

I wonder how a country which deported men for any and every crime would look? Crime would include the full gamut of DV through to any whiff of coercive control and the burden of proof would be on men. So only those who were able to repress violent and sexist behaviours and attitudes could co-exist with women.

as far as I know, there's never been any statistics that show 93% of violent crimes and 99% of rapes are committed by 1 particular ethnicity or religion? If there was I'm sure there would actually be a lot more 'entertaining' of isolating/blaming that characteristic than there is for sex. Look at how eager people are to demonise muslims every time there is a attack from someone from that background, (i.e London bridge), compared to when the perpetrator is white (finsbury park, plymouth shooting) when their ethnicity isn't considered relevant.

I agree that a female only society wouldn't be some barbie-esque dreamland of flowers and rainbows. There would still be unpleasant/ambitious/greedy/stupid people. but yes, I think a society where everyone could live their lives without worry of violent/sexual attack (or extremely rare) would be very different to today, and very interesting to at least trial.

Exactly how well it would work would depend on the way the society was set up though - if it was set up as a social experiment today I'd imagine the women volunteering to try it would be a) generally capable/independent types, and b) those who'd had it with men anyway. Your 'pick me's' for lack of a better word, wouldn't be the ones volunteering for it. Also we'd already have all the technology developed to this date. So a very different scenario and type of population compared to somewhere that had been female only for generations and ALL women were included in it, without any option to defer to the mixed/all male city/planet etc.

I think this story collection tells you a lot about John Wyndham's low opinion of women, particularly the title story and the one about the starlet. I love Day of the Triffids and have reread it loads of times, but this collection made me notice more how he writes about women in it.

As much as I don't like to admit it, a lot of what @BoldLeader says is correct.

It really isn't correct, @LancashireTart - do you not know any women engineers or farmers? I know plenty of intelligent, competent women.

The only reason some people think that only men advanced society is that the contribution of women is downplayed or completely erased.

Yes, I also know plenty of intelligent, competent women. But the simple fact is that a world without men would collapse. We need them but not many posters on Mumsnet would ever admit that.

There was a Chinese society like this, apparently. It’s dying off now as the current young generation marry and live in couples.

Prior to that it was one of the few matriarchal societies in the world. Men and women live separately. If a woman fancies a shag, she leaves a sign in her window ( a candle I think) and one of the men climbs in and obliges.

Women raise the children and births of girls are celebrated.

You could research that and see what it’s like.

Women are worse from a psychological standpoint (probably due to being physically weaker, so its evolution's way of trying to even up the sexes), hence the "bitch" label, or in terms of instigating racial violence, "the Karen". Men don't have such labels related to their mentality.

Good article in the New York Times in how women (such as the Karen, the american woman) use speech while the man uses his muscle.

How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

"We often like to make white supremacy a testosterone-fueled masculine expression, but it is just as likely to wear heels as a hood. Indeed, untold numbers of lynchings were executed because white women had claimed that a black man raped, assaulted, talked to or glanced at them. The Tulsa race massacre, the destruction of Black Wall Street, was spurred by an incident between a white female elevator operator and a black man. As the Oklahoma Historical Society points out, the most common explanation is that he stepped on her toe. As many as 300 people were killed because of it. The torture and murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955, a lynching actually, occurred because a white woman said that he "grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her". This practice, this exercise in racial extremism has been dragged into the modern era through the weaponizing of 9-1-1, often by white women, to invoke the power and force of the police who they are fully aware are hostile to black men. This was again evident when a white woman in New York's Central Park told a black man, a bird-watcher, that she was going to call the police and tell them that he was threatening her life."

I know I'm using examples of american women (as opposed to those from here) as they have exhibited more toxic behaviour than women from other places, but it does highlight the societal damage that women are capable of from a psychological point of view.

https://time.com/5857023/karen-meme-history-meaning/

Time called the Karen meme "Internet shorthand ... for a particular kind of racial violence white women have instigated for centuries—following a long and troubling legacy of white women in the country weaponizing their victimhood".

Then theres "permit patty" (another moniker under "the Karen" umbrella), the white woman in San Francisco who called the police on a little black girl for selling water...just one example of the thousands of american women who have done similar.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TVzyLdNKcLQ&pp=ygUMUGVybWl0IHBhdHR5

Then there's the ilk of Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebert (probably the two most vile politicians in america). Of course we had our own in Thatcher.

Wouldn't last beyond a generation though...

It wouldn't last a generation. Infrastructure would quickly collapse.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, @User135644 ?

"It wouldn't last a generation. Infrastructure would quickly collapse."

Moths, by Jane Herrigan, is an interesting book that explored this. If memory serves me correctly infrastructure did collapse after the devastating impact of the loss of (most) men. But it was being rebuilt/alternatively utilised in the same way as any other post apocalyptic scenario. Essentially, there isn't any job role that a man can do, that a woman can't. The same is true vice versa as well. Humans have a remarkable ability to adapt after all.

Different to the OPs idea but an interesting read - ‘The End of Men’ imagines a world where a deadly virus spreads that only kills men. So the women aren’t living in this new world voluntarily (and not all men die) and there is a huge amount of grief but it does explore some of the things people have raised regarding jobs, relationships, safety etc.

From my post up thread,
its not that women can't do the jobs, its that in many cases women don't want to do the jobs.
Do I think women would do them through necessity? Yes I do. They my even come up with some better ways of doing them.

But as has also been posted there would still be a hierarchical system.
Why? because even in areas where there are no or very few males they still do it.

It sounds awful. I would hate it.

In the 70s lots of women started to do trades, It would be interesting to know why that hasn't continued. In Africa oxfam used to educate the men in innovative farming methods, and wondered why it wasn't taken on board. Then they realised that it was actually the women who did the farming.

So would I. I need men! 😈