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Imagine A World Without Men

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Interested2024 · 22/03/2024 02:33

What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

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Keepithidden · 23/03/2024 18:27

HandShoe · 23/03/2024 15:06

Different to the OPs idea but an interesting read - ‘The End of Men’ imagines a world where a deadly virus spreads that only kills men. So the women aren’t living in this new world voluntarily (and not all men die) and there is a huge amount of grief but it does explore some of the things people have raised regarding jobs, relationships, safety etc.

Another good book on this subject.

bombastix · 23/03/2024 18:38

To be honest there was a near practical demonstration during the war when suddenly women could have meaningful jobs and certainly did do difficult physical jobs in factories.

Society did not collapse. Not much of a surprise that the whole "domestic bliss" and stay at home mum cult evolved very quickly after the end of the fighting.

Marchintospring · 24/03/2024 19:55

LancashireTart · 23/03/2024 12:05

Yes, I also know plenty of intelligent, competent women. But the simple fact is that a world without men would collapse. We need them but not many posters on Mumsnet would ever admit that.

To be fair we really only need one or two.

Men would be totally knackered if they didn’t have a large number of women to produce the next generation..

PutASpellOnYou · 24/03/2024 20:36

Quite ironic asking this question on a forum where most women on here seem quite incapable of managing without a male partner, no matter what the cost, never mind the absence of all men. It would be a complete disaster.

Keeprejoining · 24/03/2024 20:44

I think what society sees as important would change.

property lawyers and architects would be the first areas for changing out surroundings . Would society be structured around smaller relatively self sufficient units.

alwaysmovingforwards · 24/03/2024 21:04

PutASpellOnYou · 24/03/2024 20:36

Quite ironic asking this question on a forum where most women on here seem quite incapable of managing without a male partner, no matter what the cost, never mind the absence of all men. It would be a complete disaster.

😂😂

There was a men / women split on that island Survivor programme. Worth a Google to give you an insight on how each group coped with the basics and working as a team...

Imustgoforarun · 24/03/2024 21:10

I work in a public sector org that over the last few years has recruited mainly women to its senior roles including, chief exec, directors, head of finance and head of legal. All professionals. There is no bitching. I report to two women and it’s no different to reporting to a man. We all work together well and just get on with providing a service. As a female manager myself I really take offence to people saying women are bitchy bosses.

pdq123 · 25/03/2024 15:29

I attended one of the first mixed commissioning courses at RMAS in the early 90s. There was obviously a physical difference e.g. but when it came to command tasks, it made little difference e.g. in following a process to prepare and deliver orders. The ladies were as resilient and determined as the men to get through the course.

I have worked with many lady engineers. They are driven, smart and though may do things differently to men the results I have experienced were not inferior.

I dont think violence with be removed. I have met some very nasty characters who were and quite happy to predate on those seen as less confident or smaller.

User135644 · 25/03/2024 22:07

Imustgoforarun · 24/03/2024 21:10

I work in a public sector org that over the last few years has recruited mainly women to its senior roles including, chief exec, directors, head of finance and head of legal. All professionals. There is no bitching. I report to two women and it’s no different to reporting to a man. We all work together well and just get on with providing a service. As a female manager myself I really take offence to people saying women are bitchy bosses.

Women often make very good managers, but it's ultimately not office jobs that keep society functioning.

Begsthequestion · 26/03/2024 07:08

User135644 · 25/03/2024 22:07

Women often make very good managers, but it's ultimately not office jobs that keep society functioning.

Women also make very good joiners, farmers, technicians, drivers, builders, plumbers...

Welcome to the 21st century.

Superlambaanana · 26/03/2024 08:10

I know! I can't believe how many pps on here have asserted society would collapse because there'd be no one to do physical or engineering jobs! Ffs!

There is not one single job in the world that women are incapable of doing!!!

Magnoliasarelovely · 26/03/2024 09:00

It’s not really about jobs. Anytime anyone in history tries to make society better by excluding a group it doesn’t work does it.

Some of you in here really need to check your thinking as it’s scary, watch the femcel documentary on channel 4, echo chambers are also dangerous with this ideas.

Utopian ideas have been the source of some of the biggest evils in the world. Women aren’t angelic beings full stop. go and look up Ruby Franke. Acts are evil no matter the gender. The world is imperfect. It cannot be perfect.

Magnoliasarelovely · 26/03/2024 09:02

I say this with firsthand experience of a female attacker (tried to kill my sibling) myself as well.

LancashireTart · 26/03/2024 11:08

Begsthequestion · 26/03/2024 07:08

Women also make very good joiners, farmers, technicians, drivers, builders, plumbers...

Welcome to the 21st century.

That's true. But how many women actually want to get into those professions compared to men?

Begsthequestion · 26/03/2024 12:18

LancashireTart · 26/03/2024 11:08

That's true. But how many women actually want to get into those professions compared to men?

I think a heck of a lot would, if we didn't have to deal with sexism on site anymore. I know that is what puts me off.

easylikeasundaymorn · 26/03/2024 18:18

Magnoliasarelovely · 26/03/2024 09:00

It’s not really about jobs. Anytime anyone in history tries to make society better by excluding a group it doesn’t work does it.

Some of you in here really need to check your thinking as it’s scary, watch the femcel documentary on channel 4, echo chambers are also dangerous with this ideas.

Utopian ideas have been the source of some of the biggest evils in the world. Women aren’t angelic beings full stop. go and look up Ruby Franke. Acts are evil no matter the gender. The world is imperfect. It cannot be perfect.

I haven't seen one post suggesting women are angelic beings?
Just people pointing out that women raping/sexually assaulting other women is vanishingly rare, and even women on women violence is a tiny percentage of men/women or men/men. And some people quite like the idea of living in a word where they generally feel safe as a baseline - it's depressing that should be considered an 'utopia.'

Marchintospring · 26/03/2024 19:05

@Magnoliasarelovely don’t be dense. It’s a theoretical question which isn’t about the “excluding” anyone. It imagine it’s just females, maybe there never were men on this imaginary earth.

SunnyUpland · 26/03/2024 19:30

@LancashireTart what we think we want is largely dictated by society. Women are socialised to like pink - there's no biological reason for it. Women were historically socialised to steer away from STEM careers (and careers altogether). When the shortage of smart people educated as engineers etc started to bite in the 1990s, there was a campaign to encourage more people into stem careers - including women. And surprise surprise, women now excel in these industries. So what we've been taught to think we want or don't want isn't always the real story.

K8ate · 26/03/2024 20:11

If you believe that some women can’t be nasty, vindictive, powerful, dominant - in just the same way that some men can, you are kidding yourself.
Even violence - how many women agree with smacking children or even late stage abortions? There are plenty of women that do.

DigitalDust · 26/03/2024 20:25

K8ate · 26/03/2024 20:11

If you believe that some women can’t be nasty, vindictive, powerful, dominant - in just the same way that some men can, you are kidding yourself.
Even violence - how many women agree with smacking children or even late stage abortions? There are plenty of women that do.

Late stage abortions are not violence.

Men are responsible for far more violence than women, as any crime statistics will show you.

LancashireTart · 26/03/2024 21:13

SunnyUpland · 26/03/2024 19:30

@LancashireTart what we think we want is largely dictated by society. Women are socialised to like pink - there's no biological reason for it. Women were historically socialised to steer away from STEM careers (and careers altogether). When the shortage of smart people educated as engineers etc started to bite in the 1990s, there was a campaign to encourage more people into stem careers - including women. And surprise surprise, women now excel in these industries. So what we've been taught to think we want or don't want isn't always the real story.

I can only speak for myself but there's no way I'd even consider working on the oil rigs or in construction, roofer, truck driver to name a few.

DigitalDust · 26/03/2024 21:17

I’d quite fancy being a truck driver.

Keeprejoining · 26/03/2024 21:21

society might be structured differently without men. We might not need oil rigs. We might have developed renewable energy decades ago without the need for speed.

windmills and hydropower might be a major source of energy.
without men public transport might be more child and disabled friendly and certainly safer.
there would be less F1 cars or maybe there would be but women would get a chance to get behind the wheel.
value might be placed on different things,

Keeprejoining · 26/03/2024 21:22

Actually I love driving so I'd happily be an HGV driver

LancashireTart · 27/03/2024 10:20

Keeprejoining · 26/03/2024 21:21

society might be structured differently without men. We might not need oil rigs. We might have developed renewable energy decades ago without the need for speed.

windmills and hydropower might be a major source of energy.
without men public transport might be more child and disabled friendly and certainly safer.
there would be less F1 cars or maybe there would be but women would get a chance to get behind the wheel.
value might be placed on different things,

I've loved F1 for years so the idea of that becoming watered down sounds like a nightmare to me. Only a tiny few women have ever been in F1 as a driver simply because we're not good enough.

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