Imagine A World Without Men

[Interested2024]

What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

That assumes that women wouldn’t have also discovered these things, given the opportunity.

For instance, there may have been a brilliant female author at the same time as Shakespeare, but she was never discovered because women weren’t given the opportunity (for all any of us know, Shakespeare plays could even have been written by a woman!)

Well we can certainly agree it would be a very different world. Would it be a better one? That would probably depend on your definition of better. Flipping this around there is no way I would want to live anywhere that was only men.

In regard to taking over the thread, I’m not sure I see it. Should imagining a world without men as the title says be exclusively for women to do? Could a man have a useful point of view?

And to add to your list @Salaaaaaaaah , the inventors of the pill and tampons were also men. Would a woman have come up with these - well possibly, but the world with men got to enjoy these things sooner!

Tampons have been used since at least the 15th century BC (I believe they were used in Ancient Egypt), so I don’t know how you can be so sure that a man invented them? Much more likely it was a woman.

There have been herbal medicines used to prevent pregnancies for thousands of years as well. Again, a lot of the time it was women who had that knowledge and got accused of witchcraft

I have to say. I am fed up of being a woman.

I want to be a man next time. I would feel safer

Fair enough. What we know them as today however was invented by men. Anyhow, time for me to go do other things.

I think tampons are the stupidest things ever.

Stick something inside you to collect blood.

Pads are also often really uncomfortable.

They could design things that are much more comfortable for periods.

All these years later and technology has advanced so much, and they still have come up with barely any new ideas for how to collect period blood.

In a world without men we'd have devised away of repricing via IVF and easily make mor women as we need two xx chromosomes and we could produce genetic variation by getting an X chromosome each from two women

In a world without men, we wouldn't need the pill. And talk about periods would probably be more open , blood would be more acceptable as a normal part of life.

Some appalling ignorance on this thread.

Here's more of your women only utopia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine

That image is of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElizabethEckford a 15 year old black girl (one of the little rock nine) on her way to school while being hounded by a group of white women (Karens) protesting against school integration.

Here's Oney Judge, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneyJudge , she was one of the tyrannical monster george washington's 600 slaves, and she fled the washington family plantation to gain her freedom because? "martha washington (another monster) had intended to transfer ownership of her to her granddaughter, known to have a horrible temper."

Psychological damage, or as the New York Times article states, "how white women use themselves as instruments of terror".

And some talk about violence being less without men (that's true, as they are culpable for most of it), well without women how much violence would there be? This Time article makes clear it would be alot less, with Karen being "Internet shorthand ... for a particular kind of racial violence white women have instigated for centuries".

https://time.com/5857023/karen-meme-history-meaning/

I'm using american examples as they are the most extreme form of female behaviour (plus racial conflict is also an area I've studied alot), but nevertheless it shows the psychological devastation women are capable of.

Went to an all girls school and it all evened out. There was a full range of people and personalities, didn’t feel anyone was missing. Just wanted a boyfriend! But no need to mix with any other men.

Karen is a misogynistic term used to silence women. It's offensive. The original Karen was actually being harassed herself, but being an older woman when she stood up for herself she was vilified.

I think society would be quite different without men. I think different things would become important.

women would get recognition for their achievements

@Salaaaaaaaah The "aggressive black woman" is as much as a trope as the "racist Karen" though. A strong black woman is apparently loud, rude and belligerent.
Would women of any colour have to be "tough" in that sense without the benchmark of male behaviour.

It takes massive effort to go through pregnancy, childbirth and to raise a child. Other women are hugely supportive before during and after despite the idea that male partners are the key to successful child rearing. If it were only women it would be interesting to see what family units look like. Personally one mum one child sounds ideal to me.

if it existed before then it was not invented - the design was simply updated

@Marchintospring - I wonder how the "narcissist mothers" would fit into this - because they would still exist

Coming onto a women orientated platform trying to hijack a thread with anti-women rhetoric and then telling a long story about an encounter with a sex worker in Marbella to illustrate a point about men being under threat from other men and blaming it on women's behaviour???!!!!

I find this creepy and disturbing in the extreme. I am actually physically wincing at the thought of this person and their motives. 🤮

Well it's likely there might be terrible mothers and others who were mentally or physically unwell.
It would be interesting to find out if the pressure to "mother" would be easier or more difficult without male ideals of femininity.
Would narcissist women even feel the need to have children?

I wonder because you'd have to have some form of ivf to have a baby you'd have to apply like you would if you would like a pet from cats protection!
The most supportive partner I've encountered with a new mother was in a lesbian couple, so I suspect the nuclear family would still exist

@Salaaaaaaaah thank you for your links to Little Rock and black students being integrated. I'm feeling very ignorant as never heard of that whole incident. It makes horrific reading:

this is from the wikipedia page:

By the end of September 1957, the nine were admitted to Little Rock Central High under the protection of the 101st Airborne Division (and later the Arkansas National Guard), but they were still subjected to a year of physical and verbal abuse by many of the white students. Melba Pattillo had acid thrown into her eyes and also recalled in her book, Warriors Don't Cry, an incident in which a group of white girls trapped her in a stall in the girls' washroom and attempted to burn her by dropping pieces of flaming paper on her from above. Another one of the students, Minnijean Brown, was verbally confronted and abused. She said
I was one of the kids 'approved' by the school officials. We were told we would have to take a lot and were warned not to fight back if anything happened. One girl ran up to me and said, 'I'm so glad you're here. Won't you go to lunch with me today?' I never saw her again. Minnijean Brown was also taunted by members of a group of white male students in December 1957 in the school cafeteria during lunch. She dropped her lunch, a bowl of chili, onto the boys and was suspended for six days. Two months later, after more confrontation, Brown was suspended for the rest of the school year. She transferred to the New Lincoln School in New York City.

No problem. I hadn't seen that link before. It makes for sobering reading (like all of the history there does).

Like any right thinking individual I have a contempt for the entity that is america (not the vast majority of people who live their today, although the ignorance of many of them in regard to the history of the land they occupy is appalling) as it is the most racist entity in human history. One "founded" by a group of slave owning tyrants, who dehumanised the Natives (those "merciless Indian Savages" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech ), a white settler colonial entity who dehumanised the Natives, removed them from their fertile homelands, and put the few who survived this ethnic cleansing into reservations (cages). Hitler would speak glowingly of this in 1928, stating america had "gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under observation in a cage" https://www.timesofisrael.com/american-laws-against-coloreds-influenced-nazi-racial-planners/ ). It's why no-one sees Natives today, few survived, and the few who are left remain in their cages. It was one of the most monstrous crimes in history. My only interest in ever going to that land would be to see them.

The Karen, the american woman, who has instigated violence against non white people over the centuries on that land, is a product of this racist white settler entity (which is why I brought up those examples before, to show what damage women are capable of). To my knowledge (and I stand to be corrected) I can think of no other female nationality who has committed such acts, which is why I acknowledge this is the most extreme form of female behaviour. While the men carried out the physical violence, it was often at the behest of the white woman, hence black people giving them various monikers over the years (Miss Ann being one from the 19th century). As I mentioned previously one of george washington's 600 slaves, Oney Judge, fled the washington plantation because of the women; they were as wicked as the men. In the 1950s Emmett Till ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till ) was murdered after a white woman accused him of offending her in a grocery store. The same day George Floyd was killed this white woman in New York phoned the police on a black man ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_incident ) lying that he was threatening her.

The Karen has been misused on here, it isnt some trivial label; that moniker belongs to a specific group who have committed untold damage on non white people in america.

I’m quite sure in another 50 years or so that the human race will be able to genetically engineer babies of the desired sex and so women will finally be able to make this Utopia a reality.

Just giving a perhaps not often heard perspective.

You actually think men coming on a thread which mentions male violence to moan about womens supposed violence and how men are victims of (male) violence as well as if thats somehow womens fault is a "not often heard perspective"?

You have to be fucking joking right? Its the only bloody thing some men bang on about when women have the temerity to talk about male violence

Its not a "not often heard" perspective so much as the "must be heard regardless of the topic or the audience" perspective

@dimllaishebiaith

Precisely. His contributions have repeatedly made my skin crawl.

However, his presence here, diction and poor grammar suggest not only someone with 'issues' but also someone who is either a teenager or adult of limited intellect, so probably best ignored in this context.

Examples

Trying to imply he is something he is almost certainly not irl:
"as a pretty big guy"

Using 'myself' instead of me:
"some sort of violence inflicted upon myself"

Referring to ladiezz instead of women:
"ladies"

I have not had a chance to read most of the replies, but I will do so soon. I appreciate the interest, regardless.