Imagine A World Without Men

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What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

@NonmagicMike well it's clear you're deflecting simply because you don't want to engage with facts 😂

Go on then. Let’s give you your grammatical egg on my face as it seems to matter to you. So, you got anything of substance to say?

There would be a lot lower risk of rape (i.e. zero) a world with no men. That’s one unequivocal positive.

In a world without men , we'd be able to have a thread which isn't hijacked by misogynists

I remember when these figures were released, and I remember them being pulled to shreds as the wording of the study allowed for the research to be misrepresented and gleefully jumped on by misogynists everywhere.

If I recall correctly (and my google skills are crap so I can’t find any info at all, but remember it being discussed in the FWR boards years ago), more lesbians reported domestic violence in their experience, but it was in past relationships with men where it happened, not necessarily with their female partners.

I hope someone else remembers this and can back me up!

I’m such if all the men’s disappeared tomorrow society would collapse fairly quickly because without anymore babies being born there isn’t much point in anything. Why bother building things or trying to invent new things.

All @NonmagicMike has done is state facts, he isn't the one who's deflecting. You could learn a lot from him if only you were willing to.

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@nonmagicmike I'm sorry for what you've experienced. Sexual assault is never okay.

I've been groped many times too.

However while sexual assault of men is not OK. What you experience is NOT the same as what women experience.

If a woman comes up and gropes you on the street, you are not afraid for your life are you? You are the physically stronger person. You can push her off. You have a way out.

If a man comes up and gropes a woman on the street she will not be able to push him off physically. She can do nothing physically to protect herself.

That is why I think women should be allowed to carry some kind of weapon.

Not long ago, a man followed my mother on a street, stuck his hand right up into her vagina and them pushed her into a Bush and ran off

I don’t think it’s an actual woman posting such comments… and certainly not whilst calling herself “Lancashiret….”

Very tedious and boring these waves of men we have posting here….

Can you imagine what state you’d have to be in to hang around in a men’s forum all day, read all the commments, and respond to anything vaguely criticising women, under an assumed title of “HomecountiesHung”… and that a generous title by comparison…
I would imagine a mental and reading age of about 10… again, a rather generous estimate.

Indeed. Men like this simply cannot sit back and allow women to have a discussion like this. It's as if they feel threatened by it somehow. They can't seem to summon any empathy for the spirit of the thread or the reasons the thread exists. Which is emblematic of the dynamic we live with, which triggers these kinds of threads in the first place!

So they feel the need to come on here and tell us how badly women are oppressing them. Surely if that's the case, the idea of women leaving them alone en masse would be appealing? Or at least they'd understand somewhat? But no, they must simply work to derail the thread instead.

Obviously on a human level I empathise with anyone who is abused, it's never right. But I can't really respond directly to such complaints on here by men about women when my own list of traumatic experiences with men from the past few decades far outstrips anything they've listed here many, many times over, and that is a common reality for a lot of women, and I don't really want to ruin my day recalling all that for the random man on the thread who needs to hear it, esp one who hasn't expressed an ounce of empathy for any of us.

So I tend to skip over their responses as much as possible, and hopefully keep the threat somewhat on its intended track.

@WilieCoyote
"*I don’t think it’s an actual woman posting such comments… and certainly not whilst calling herself “Lancashiret….”

Very tedious and boring these waves of men we have posting here….

Can you imagine what state you’d have to be in to hang around in a men’s forum all day, read all the commments, and respond to anything vaguely criticising women, under an assumed title of “HomecountiesHung”… and that a generous title by comparison…
I would imagine a mental and reading age of about 10… again, a rather generous estimate."*

Quite. The syntax and poor grasp of grammar suggests teenagers or stunted intellects if they're adults. But I agree it's hard to see what kick people get from coming onto forum for women to slag off women. There's a lot of supercilious mansplaining which might serve to make them feel puffed up, but they're adding zero value to the debate because they're not putting forward any points or arguments in such a way as to garner anything other than derision from right thinking people.

I found a link to the audio book on YT I mentioned in an earlier post! It's a novel from 1915 about an all female civilisation that is discovered by three male explorers (whose century-old attitudes are still reflected by some misguided posters in this thread! 😆). A fascinating story.

Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman:

@Begsthequestion great reply below. Articulate, measured and very welcome!

Thanks :)

There's a really interesting book I want to read about how the world has been designed to men's requirements, and how that disadvantages and even endangers women - Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/feb/23/truth-world-built-for-men-car-crashes

Has anyone on here read it?

Well, I can assure you I'm all woman. However, as you can probably gather, I'm the antithesis of a feminist. As far as I'm concerned feminism has lost its way thanks to radicalisation. There are a LOT of feminists who aren't interested in equality, but would rather have everything in favour of women.

Perhaps it's your inability to understand that not every woman on the planet feels the need to put men down and that some of us are actually glad they are here. The majority of them, at least. Just a thought.

I've seen you on other threads, calling women emotional, crazy, telling posters to "calm down", denying sexism exists, and even claiming "there's nothing DH can't do that I can"..... Yet on this thread you insist that there are tons of things women can't do, that only men can do.

So, I'm inclined to ignore your input, whatever gender you are, because it just doesn't make sense.

So, I can agree with that to an extent, but being able to push someone off or fight them away doesn’t always equal a solution. So sorry to hear of your mum’s experience - that is horrendous.

Another situation I recall quite vividly was being in my 30’s in Marbella for a running race. A group of us had gone to dinner the night before the race, and afterwards we all went our separate ways back to various hotels / air BnB’s etc. I was walking alone (completely sober and minding my own business) when I was approached by a young lady. She asked if I was out for a good time in broken English and I said no thanks, just heading to bed. She was very insistent however and grabbed my arm and asked me why I don’t find her attractive. I tried to say it’s not that but I’m just tired and want to go home. She then got aggressive and put her hand on my chest and tried to stop me. Sensing something was up I broke free from her and pushed her away and told her to get lost. She started screaming and shouting and two blokes appeared infront of me. They were big units. I just ran and didn’t look back. Whether it was a gang or they were pimps or mates or whatever, I didn’t wait around to find out as I would have likely been hospitalised.

Another example I’d give was my ex who I mentioned earlier. She lost it one night and launched into some girl for whatever stupid reason. She punched her in the arm and I pulled her back. The other girls boyfriend / whoever he was then turns and without a word headbutts me. Bouncers arrived pretty quick smart and we were all chucked out, but my nose was busted pretty good. Yes I could have managed the ladies but as is often the case, the blokes they are with are going to pick a fight with you. God I’m glad I’m away from that relationship.

So yes, I can fight off an aggressive woman sure but quite often there is an aggressive bloke not far away. Women are certainly more at risk of sexual harm I would agree, however men are more at risk of other serious violence:

Homicides 416 men to 174 women last year

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1221306/homicides-in-england-and-wales-by-gender/

“Men were more likely to be victims of violent crime than women (2.2% of men compared with 1.6% of women)”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022

I agree with you about the weapons by the way, but for both sexes. I think that pepper spray should definitely be legal, and also other non lethal options. Ultimately it is very possible for a big dude to feel just as vulnerable in a street situation as a woman - I’m by no means some lager lout but have had my fair share of oh crap moments. Well done to you too for engaging in a debate about all this too.

Homicides 416 men to 174 women last year

And how many of those homicides were committed by men compared with women?

Men are mostly in danger because of other men.

That's a problem guys need to solve really.

The world of women would thrive regardless of any of that.

Probably most. That’s not the point however. What I’m trying to demonstrate is that being big or able to fight someone off doesn’t equate to safety. It’s maybe food for thought that even as a pretty big guy I’ve still had plenty of experiences where I’ve felt threatened or had some sort of violence inflicted upon myself. It’s not an attempt to diminish the very real problems ladies have, nor is it some sort of competition. Just giving a perhaps not often heard perspective.

But in a world without men - which is what this thread is about - most of those homicides wouldn’t have happened. So would be a safer world.

We shall never know. I believe in individualism and the ability for anyone to be good or evil. I don’t think it’s helpful to put groups of people into boxes and say well, if we only got rid of all them then the world would be better. Taken to its extreme it’s what Hitler did with the Jews, what happened with apartheid in South Africa, what happened in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge and so on.

This thought experiment is around a world or place without men. If you believe that this would be a utopia then your position is that women are either incapable or significantly less motivated to engage in evil. I fundamentally disagree, and I don’t think that what you have between your legs dictates your propensity for inflicting harm.

I've already touched on the psychological damage women inflict on society, for example the american woman, "the Karen".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

There is no male version of this. A man uses his muscle instead. This is covered in the New York Times article, titled "How white women use themselves as instruments of terror" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

I've posited that women being more psychologically damaging is evolution's way of evening up the sexes; women being physically weaker means having had to use psychology as an attack (or defence).

So that puts all this utopia nonsense to bed.

In any case, if there were no men around (meaning ever, not just starting now), there wouldn't be any human race as others have mentioned. But lets pretend men have never been needed for reproduction and women can just do it independently ( https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/27/world/virgin-births-parthenogenesis-partner-scn/index.html ) we'd be left without any man-made stuff (which is almost everything). We'd be back in the cave, bitching at one another. "Karen's in a cave" (sounds like a film title).

Lets also pretend we made it out of caves (and survived the animal attacks) and society was able to somehow develop along the same lines...there'd be no Shakespeare, just Austen, no Beatles, just Bangles, no Disney, just (can't think of a female equivalent), no Spielberg, just Gerwig, no Messi, just Earps.. and without the man-made stuff there'd be no Coca Cola (can't think of a female created equivalent), no crisps, just potatoes, no chips...just potatoes, no chocolate, just berries? In other words no bleedin nice stuff. We'd all be super healthy though (physically), and miserable as sin.

I don’t think it would be a utopia. I think it would be a very different kind of world to the one we have now.

I am not sure why the experience and thoughts of one individual man seems to be taking over the thread though?