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Husband came out as bisexual

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TARDISmum · 19/03/2024 23:14

Been with DH 12 years and married for 6.5 years and recently told me he is bisexual.

It's just so odd.

I know it doesn't change who he is. It doesn't change what it was about him that I fell in love with but it feels like the landscape of our marriage has changed.

I want to be supportive but just don't know where to start. Where would you start with that.

OP posts:
Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:33

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:32

Straight dad can put wife and kids at the exact same risk through anal sex with women. Even the blood and transplant service recognise this now.

Yes that’s true, but the stats tell us that it is gay men that have the highest risk.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:34

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:32

EVERYONE needs to disclose their sexual orientation and sexual history. It’s bloody standard in all relationships. Stop playing the victim card, it is boring and unnecessary.

It’s not the sexual orientation that’s the issue - you need to see this - but the lack of honesty and integrity around it.

A PP thinks it's OK to just assume heterosexuality.

Thank you for being consistent.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:34

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:33

Yes that’s true, but the stats tell us that it is gay men that have the highest risk.

OP's DH isn't gay.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:34

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:34

A PP thinks it's OK to just assume heterosexuality.

Thank you for being consistent.

I wouldn’t assume any sexuality. I would expect complete transparency before intimacy though.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:36

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gannett · 20/03/2024 09:36

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:32

EVERYONE needs to disclose their sexual orientation and sexual history. It’s bloody standard in all relationships. Stop playing the victim card, it is boring and unnecessary.

It’s not the sexual orientation that’s the issue - you need to see this - but the lack of honesty and integrity around it.

Disclose sexual history? What? It's more the standard in most relationships that you don't delve too deep into your partner's sexual history.

Once again no acknowledgement that bisexual and gay people might take decades to disclose their orientation to themselves, and hence cannot disclose it to anyone else. Yes, it's very sad that they're in denial and lying to themselves. Blame a homophobic and biphobic society, exhibit A - this thread.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:36

Op needs to be tested either way.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:37

As she would if her husband was cheating with a woman the same applies.

BlondiesHaveMoreFun · 20/03/2024 09:37

Eyeroll2024 · 20/03/2024 09:20

So, at the beginning, before all these silly ad hominem abusive and heterophobic attacks, this was my original post.

As I've already answered every possible permutation of every possible coercive, bullying, grilling, demanding question, there's nothing more for me to say on the subject, and I will leave it at that and be on my way.

OP, whatever you do, make sure you take care of YOURSELF. You're not a doormat or a therapist. You matter. YOUR feelings matter.

Here's my original post:

  1. Anyone can leave any marriage at any time for no reason or any reason.
  2. Anyone can find a person unappealing sexually at any time for no reason or any reason.
  3. Nobody ever needs to offer any explanation as to why they find someone sexually unappealing.
  4. It's not remotely phobic to find anyone sexually unappealing for any reason or none.
  5. It is however deeply phobic and coercive to try to slyly insinuate that a person doesn't have a right to find anyone sexually appealing or unappealing for any reason or none.
  6. Some people try to act coercively and pretend that heterosexual relationships are lacking, they often use words like "vanilla" to try to be slyly derogatory towards heterosexual people. Those people are bigots and coercive.
  7. If you no longer find your husband sexually attractive that's absolutely fine - not phobic, not bigoted and not wrong in any way.
  8. You do not owe your husband your body, your rights, your life or your support.
  9. Your husband has completely changed the terms of the marriage you agreed to, so you must now renegotiate your terms.
  10. You are allowed to simply dissolve the marriage if you wish to on this basis alone - and you are in the right if you choose to do so.

These statements can't be argued with, they are irrefutable.

Some questions you probably need to ask yourself.

  1. Why is he telling you this now?
  2. Has he been hiding this from you all along?
  3. Has he only just realised this and if so, why now?
  4. Is it possible he wants to fuck men?
  5. If he wants to fuck men, are you ok with this?
  6. If you are not ok with him fucking men are you willing and happy to lead a sexless life and just stay together as friends?
  7. Why are you more concerned about supporting him than your own feelings?

There's a LOT more to consider of course, but much depends on your answers to these.

Whatever YOU decide it is entirely up to YOU.

You do not owe your husband your marriage, life, body or relationship or your support. He has completely changed the terms of your marriage.

You did NOT marry a bisexual man. You married a heterosexual man. (As was pointed out, actually he was always bisexual, but he hid it from you until now so from your perspective you married a heterosexul man).

Anyone who pretends this is unimportant or has low importance is a) a liar or b) without any understanding of how most humans operate.

Anyone who pretends anything I have stated is unfair, unkind, phobic or unclear is being a) irrational, b) coercive or both.

Good luck.

Marvellous post. 👏

HollyKnight · 20/03/2024 09:37

EVERYONE needs to disclose their sexual orientation and sexual history. It’s bloody standard in all relationships.

Bollocks to that. No one is entitled to know anyone's sexual history. Women get judged all the time for how many men they have slept with. It's nobody's business. Take people as they come or sod off.

gannett · 20/03/2024 09:39

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:14

I agree with you. How on earth is it any woman’s interest to be with a man that swings both ways - and a life time of double guessing and insecurity. I can not see the appeal, but I am sure there are women that will put up with it.

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I can't see how having a bisexual partner leads to a lifetime of double guessing and insecurity any more than having a heterosexual partner. There's certainly no shortage of insecurity in relationships between heterosexuals.

Personally it's in my interest to be with an attractive man with compatible life goals and good morals. Whether he "swings both ways" is immaterial to that. And personally, I'd be rather into it.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:40

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:34

I wouldn’t assume any sexuality. I would expect complete transparency before intimacy though.

Complete transparency

"I'm Vito and I'm bi and I'm a blood donor and...

...I'm autistic, I have a full drivers licence...

...and I'm a Libra if you believe in that kind of thing and my favourite colour is yellow."

Or you could ask about the factors that you know affect your consent because I cannot read your mind to know how you define "complete transparency".

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:40

Either way op, he is not the man you married and only you can decide if it’s a dealbreaker. In the same way I imagine if he announced he wanted to join a swingers club, wanted kinky stuff or suddenly got into some other stuff that you had not signed up to.

You have complete autonomy to choose what you want in a husband.

He has the right to be himself and lead his life how he wishes.

What he can’t assume is that you will be on board with any of this. It’s totally your choice.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:41

gannett · 20/03/2024 09:39

I can't see how having a bisexual partner leads to a lifetime of double guessing and insecurity any more than having a heterosexual partner. There's certainly no shortage of insecurity in relationships between heterosexuals.

Personally it's in my interest to be with an attractive man with compatible life goals and good morals. Whether he "swings both ways" is immaterial to that. And personally, I'd be rather into it.

Of course you would be ‘rather into it’ 🙄

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:42

HollyKnight · 20/03/2024 09:37

EVERYONE needs to disclose their sexual orientation and sexual history. It’s bloody standard in all relationships.

Bollocks to that. No one is entitled to know anyone's sexual history. Women get judged all the time for how many men they have slept with. It's nobody's business. Take people as they come or sod off.

I am not taking people as they are without asking questions , thanks all the same. Some people have standards and integrity.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:44

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:40

Complete transparency

"I'm Vito and I'm bi and I'm a blood donor and...

...I'm autistic, I have a full drivers licence...

...and I'm a Libra if you believe in that kind of thing and my favourite colour is yellow."

Or you could ask about the factors that you know affect your consent because I cannot read your mind to know how you define "complete transparency".

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You need to be honest. I am sorry you have such a poor grasp on what honesty means - have you considered counselling? Your reluctance to accept and share your whole self leads me to believe that parts of you are still in shame, and you shouldn’t have to live with shame in 2024 for just being yourself.

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Given he is just told her is attracted to men, the prudent thing that anyone would do is get tested. At this point she can’t trust anything he says, he has been lying to her for years!

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:48

HollyKnight · 20/03/2024 09:37

EVERYONE needs to disclose their sexual orientation and sexual history. It’s bloody standard in all relationships.

Bollocks to that. No one is entitled to know anyone's sexual history. Women get judged all the time for how many men they have slept with. It's nobody's business. Take people as they come or sod off.

A legitimate response to "how many sexual partners have you had?" is "that's private. I had a clear STI test on <date> and have been celibate since <date>". Another legitimate response is "this date is over. Goodbye".

It's possible to be honest without disclosing your entire list of exes because "I'm not telling you" isn't a lie.

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:50

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:48

A legitimate response to "how many sexual partners have you had?" is "that's private. I had a clear STI test on <date> and have been celibate since <date>". Another legitimate response is "this date is over. Goodbye".

It's possible to be honest without disclosing your entire list of exes because "I'm not telling you" isn't a lie.

You are being ridiculous. Have you even had a relationship?? Most people talk for hours about who they are, their goals, dreams, past partners, sexual preferences, red lines. You don’t sound very mature or experienced.

BlondiesHaveMoreFun · 20/03/2024 09:52

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Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:52

If someone said ‘it’s private’ and wouldn’t discuss their past sex life or preferences - it would be a bloody big red flag 🚩 and the dating would come to an end.

Of course you would be open about everything because most people prefer trusted, healthy and authentic relationships regardless of orientation.

BarrelOfOtters · 20/03/2024 09:53

I've sort of had this conversation with my husband, as if he came out as gay or bi I don't think anyone would be terribly surprised. He says he's not interested in blokes that way, but it was a useful conversation to have. We have quite a lot of gay friends.

Pick your time I would say!

Comedycook · 20/03/2024 09:53

I think sexual orientation and preference should be disclosed in a relationship.

Sexual history not so much.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 09:55

Severalwhippets · 20/03/2024 09:44

You need to be honest. I am sorry you have such a poor grasp on what honesty means - have you considered counselling? Your reluctance to accept and share your whole self leads me to believe that parts of you are still in shame, and you shouldn’t have to live with shame in 2024 for just being yourself.

I know exactly what honesty is. I'm autistic! One of the defining features of autism is that we don't know when we're socially expected to lie, so we get castigated for having no filter.

One of the other core features of autism is that we pattern match, and I am detecting expectations being applied to bisexual people that aren't applied to monosexual people. The pattern mismatch is glaring to me.