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Husband came out as bisexual

551 replies

TARDISmum · 19/03/2024 23:14

Been with DH 12 years and married for 6.5 years and recently told me he is bisexual.

It's just so odd.

I know it doesn't change who he is. It doesn't change what it was about him that I fell in love with but it feels like the landscape of our marriage has changed.

I want to be supportive but just don't know where to start. Where would you start with that.

OP posts:
CyanTurtle · 20/03/2024 21:40

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:41

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 21:32

Even if someone is bi phobic though, they’re not obliged to change their thinking and date a bisexual person. Challenging someone on problematic views like bi phobia, homophobia, racism etc should be done in many situations, but when it comes to dating and attraction, people are attracted to some things and not others. I find it very intrusive to see people asking others to justify who they will and won’t date.

I’m not from the UK and have read many negative things about my home country here. I’ll challenge the generalisations and stereotypes but if they say they’d never date someone from my country, that’s their preference. I see this as similar.

they say they’d never date someone from my country, that’s their preference. I see this as similar.

That's not what I'm calling out.

What I'm calling out is the sexual orientation equivalent of not only refusing to date someone from your home country, but expecting someone from your country and no other country to disclose, upfront and unprompted, that they are from your country because some people might find that a dealbreaker.

It's like expecting a Welsh person to proactively disclose their Welshness and they're a liar if they don't, whilst all the English and Scottish people get to go on dates without having to state "oh by the way, I'm from Aberdeen" unasked.

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 21:42

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:33

Your post is fine bar the first paragraph.

Being attracted to both men and women is something I’d expect the person I’m dating to let me know whilst getting to know them.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, sexual behaviour with both sexes was the norm. For me, it's the norm. Imagine an Ancient Roman woman saying: "Only being attracted to women is something I’d expect the person I’m dating to let me know whilst getting to know them."

I bet that seems ridiculous to a straight person. What you're suggesting is ridiculous to me.

If I'm attracted to the person I'm dating, who else I'm attracted to is irrelevant to me. If they want to have conditions (that to me are weird, but we're not all the same) about the sex of who else I'm attracted to and not shagging then that's on them and they can ask for that information because that's their conditions of dating, not mine.

Edited

All of my post is fine. I don’t need your approval for my own expectations for relationships.

Most people are heterosexual. A woman dating a man is in a hetero relationship. If he is bi, that’s ok, but its different from the majority of male/females in a relationship together and I think most would see that and understand its something many people would want to be aware of. If you didn’t know this before, you do now. You don’t have to like it.

A relationship is not just about you and what you’re happy with.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:46

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:38

I didn’t say they are obliged to change it, but it doesn’t mean it’s not biphobic – as you pointed out. At the end of the day it’s making sweeping assumptions about a large sector of people because they are ‘X’ characteristic, and that, in my book, isn’t OK.

People can decline to date, shag, and marry who they like. I'm very consistent on that front. What they don't get to do is burden bi people with unfair mind reading expectations that they don't apply to anyone else, nor do they get to say unfair things about bi people.

Oblomov24 · 20/03/2024 21:47

"he'd had these feelings since before I met him but only realised over the last year what they really meant".

What they 'meant'?
So he's hidden this for years. He knew. He did have these feelings, as teen, young man. But couldn't cope/deal with them/didnt want to accept them? So he's finally realised. Only over the last year. (Oh purlease), what they mean.

And does it 'mean' ? Hmm

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 21:47

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:31

That’s not what I said (and I think you know it, unless you’re a bit dim), but nice try.

I'm not dim just tired. Do you agree that someone who doesn't want a relationship with bisexual person is not biphobic?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:48

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 21:42

All of my post is fine. I don’t need your approval for my own expectations for relationships.

Most people are heterosexual. A woman dating a man is in a hetero relationship. If he is bi, that’s ok, but its different from the majority of male/females in a relationship together and I think most would see that and understand its something many people would want to be aware of. If you didn’t know this before, you do now. You don’t have to like it.

A relationship is not just about you and what you’re happy with.

I am not responsible for predicting other people's dealbreakers. They can use their words to ask, like grownups do for everything else.

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:52

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 21:47

I'm not dim just tired. Do you agree that someone who doesn't want a relationship with bisexual person is not biphobic?

Depends on the reason why they don’t.

Losingtheplot2016 · 20/03/2024 21:54

Has he had experiences with men/boys from before you were together ? It might be a way telling you.

Otherwise I'd be wondering if this was some way of him starting a dialogue about an open relationship. I'd have to make it clear that wasn't for me.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:54

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:52

Depends on the reason why they don’t.

They can not want the relationship for any reason, that's their right.

The burdens they think it's OK to add to bi people determine whether they are biphobic, not who they date.

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:56

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:54

They can not want the relationship for any reason, that's their right.

The burdens they think it's OK to add to bi people determine whether they are biphobic, not who they date.

I didn’t say it wasn’t their right, I’m just saying it doesn’t mean it’s not biphobic.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:57

Losingtheplot2016 · 20/03/2024 21:54

Has he had experiences with men/boys from before you were together ? It might be a way telling you.

Otherwise I'd be wondering if this was some way of him starting a dialogue about an open relationship. I'd have to make it clear that wasn't for me.

The OP is absolutely entitled to expect exclusivity. His sexual revelations are not an excuse to cheat.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:59

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:56

I didn’t say it wasn’t their right, I’m just saying it doesn’t mean it’s not biphobic.

I am very very careful to separate "not dating someone" from "unfair treatment of someone" because I'm 100% about sexual sovereignty and I'm absolutely not here for incels.

UnimaginableWindBird · 20/03/2024 21:59

Where has the OPs husband said that he planned to cheat on her? I must have skipped that bit of the thread.

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 22:00

What I'm calling out is the sexual orientation equivalent of not only refusing to date someone from your home country, but expecting someone from your country and no other countryto disclose, upfront and unprompted, that they are from your country because some people might find that a dealbreaker.

Thats just down to 2 things

  1. heterosexuality being the most common sexuality
  2. peoples own sexuality

So, when you’re a man dating a woman, most will be heterosexual and so will often presume the other is heterosexual as that’s the most common scenario. It’s ‘unusual’ to be bi so it’s worth a mention imo.

My lesbian friend assumed the women she was dating were gay because they were dating her. Unless women told her that they were bi, that’s what she presumes because they’re 2 women. Again, I think it’s worth mentioning if you’re bi.

Maybe bisexual people don’t presume, because their lived experience is being attracted to both sexes.

It’s nothing to take offence over.

I think it’s good to talk about the things about yourself that are not the most common things regardless of the topic. But sexuality and attraction being the thing that differentiates a romantic relationship from other relationships, it’s important imo to talk about what you find attractive which includes being bisexual if you are.

Didimum · 20/03/2024 22:01

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:59

I am very very careful to separate "not dating someone" from "unfair treatment of someone" because I'm 100% about sexual sovereignty and I'm absolutely not here for incels.

I think we are talking at cross purposes. That or we simply don’t agree. Which is fine.

OVienna · 20/03/2024 22:01

DuckDuckNo · 20/03/2024 21:29

I myself am bi and I find the constant accusations of biphobia on this thread a bit over the top. I mean, most dudes don't sit their wife down and divulge information such as this with no reason. He's going somewhere with this - it's totally okay to wonder where. And it's also totally okay not to be attracted to bi people. No one's obligated and so forth.

This.

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 22:01

Didimum · 20/03/2024 21:52

Depends on the reason why they don’t.

It's what turns them on. It is simple. You can't help this.

Didimum · 20/03/2024 22:04

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 22:01

It's what turns them on. It is simple. You can't help this.

That’s fine. It just doesn’t mean it’s not biphobic.

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 22:05

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 21:48

I am not responsible for predicting other people's dealbreakers. They can use their words to ask, like grownups do for everything else.

I think that’s childish. Regardless of the topic, the one that isn’t in the most ‘common’ group, mentions it.

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 22:06

What are you talking about? I don't get horny over bisexual sex does not mean I'm biphobic.

Didimum · 20/03/2024 22:10

middleofthenightmediumsizedtoblerone · 20/03/2024 22:06

What are you talking about? I don't get horny over bisexual sex does not mean I'm biphobic.

Edited

It’s not about getting horny over bisexual sex. You wouldn’t be having bisexual sexual anyway, because you’re not bisexual. It’s about the reasons behind having an aversion to a bisexual person solely due to their bisexuality and/or finding that particular trait specifically not attractive.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 22:10

UnimaginableWindBird · 20/03/2024 21:59

Where has the OPs husband said that he planned to cheat on her? I must have skipped that bit of the thread.

It's an assumption. Apparently there's some well-trodden pathway that it's a 99.99% certainty that he will follow, and if he does it will be because he's one of those inherently slutty bis and not simply a common-or-garden entitled asshole cheat like all the thousands of straight husbands who bone their PAs after work.

Have I summarised accurately?

LovelyTheresa · 20/03/2024 22:11

Didimum · 20/03/2024 22:10

It’s not about getting horny over bisexual sex. You wouldn’t be having bisexual sexual anyway, because you’re not bisexual. It’s about the reasons behind having an aversion to a bisexual person solely due to their bisexuality and/or finding that particular trait specifically not attractive.

How is that biphobic, though? If I imagine a man with another man, that is offputting to me on a sexual level. It would be biphobic if I treated said man poorly, but declining to sleep with someone is not that. Dating is not an equal opportunity venture.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 20/03/2024 22:15

MineAgain · 20/03/2024 22:05

I think that’s childish. Regardless of the topic, the one that isn’t in the most ‘common’ group, mentions it.

I'm Vito, and before we fuck, here's a list of the "uncommon group" things about me:

  • I've been one of the c.12% of building site workers who are female.
  • I play the trumpet, which makes me both a minority amongst brass players because I'm female as well as a minority amongst musicians.
  • I've never seen Star Wars.
[several hours later] So, shall I go on top, or you?