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Am in utter shock

756 replies

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:09

Will start by saying this is an OW thread. So I’m not asking for sympathy, I’m just in utter utter shock.

Twelve years ago I met someone. We were both married. We fell in love (I thought). My DH was a bad man, I’m not excusing myself but he was. I divorced him, took the bare minimum and waited for OM to do the same.

He didn’t. For years it went on, his excuses, so I wouldn’t see him, he begged me to be patient. I was his soulmate, his best friend, etc etc etc. And I loved him so much.

We bought a house together, he decided on completion day that he couldn’t leave her. I was in a financial mess for years over that.

In Oct 22 I gave him an ultimatum (this date is important), he had to leave her or we couldn’t speak anymore (up till this point we emailed and texted multiple times a day). He said he couldn’t leave her, couldn’t be without his kids. He went away on holiday with them.

Stupidly we stayed in touch “as friends”. Daily he would ask to see me. He would tell me he wanted to be with me, no matter what would make it happen.

(Sorry this is an essay)

Last spring we saw each other for lunch a couple of times. Something was off but I couldn’t work out what, he seemed depressed. I started dating again and told him we could only be friends.

In the summer he sent me a photo and I noticed he didn’t have a wedding ring on! He told me he had “recently” left his wife but didn’t know how to tell me. That he wasn’t sure if we should move in together straight away (!!) or just get to know each other as single people.

We met for lunch a couple of times, he had endless excuses why I couldn’t see his new flat. It all seemed odd but somehow plausible. We last saw each other in October but carried on messaging multiple times a day, chatting about everything. Or so I thought.

He told me he was very depressed and unhappy. Needed time to get used to life alone. I truly believed he was unhappy, possibly even suicidal at times.

This evening I received a message. From his girlfriend. Who he lives with. Who he had told he was separated when he met her 18 months ago. Yep when I gave him the ultimatum, he was with her. They have a whole life together.

She is 20 years younger than he is.

We spoke on the phone and while speaking she was looking through his phone. There are multiple women. All that age. It’s been going on for years with them.

How he has time to run a company I do not know.

So here I am, 12 years on. In utter shock. And that poor girl. I didn’t know what to say to her, I could only assure her there has been nothing intimate between us since before she met him. Unfortunately he has been with others.

i honestly would have told you he was my best friend. His behaviour had been odd yes, but I never thought for a moment it was like this.

His last messages to me were how he had an okay day today, hadn’t done much. They are on holiday!!!

I get that in some ways I deserve this. But she doesn’t. He obviously was putting his wedding ring on to meet me! How messed up is that. Or maybe he wasn’t married then anymore?!

And I’m guessing when we were actually in an intimate relationship he was shagging these other women. I really had no idea. He would beg me not to leave him as he was so unhappy but had no idea how to leave without losing his children/business.

Desperately need to sleep but had to get all that out. It’s like an episode of eastenders.

OP posts:
Wherehasthetime · 04/03/2024 21:02

How can he blame you for the other women?

Voone · 04/03/2024 21:03

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 20:48

I’m not sure. He has never shown any sign of violence, never even raised his voice. But the messages he is sending her, he’s very cross with me.

It's probably just part of the act seeing as he's making out that you've been blackmailing him etc?

He hasn't sent you any angry messages has he?

SerafinasGoose · 04/03/2024 21:04

You don't have to be in his firing line, @honeyandbutterontoast.

You can block his every avenue of contact if you want to.

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 21:05

No they are via her
and it’s all about how I was blackmailing him and he didn’t know how to tell me he had someone new.
the messages sound contrite but he’s pissed off. I can tell from the wording.

OP posts:
Caroparo52 · 04/03/2024 21:05

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 02:58

When I last met him for dinner (Sept), he was close to tears saying how much he missed the family dog, how he couldn’t have it stay because he lived in a flat. I felt so sorry for him.

He was living in a house. And they had a dog!!!

He could have got an Oscar for that performance.

unfucking believable what a shit bag.
Sorry op the dog bit made me laugh out loud.
I lived with a pathological liar. Cost me fuck of a lot of money to free myself. Long story but best investment I've ever made in my life. You will move on and be happy. But maybe not very trusting of arsehole men.

Wherehasthetime · 04/03/2024 21:08

But didn't she tell you that he had may other new women?

SheepAndSword · 04/03/2024 21:10

honeyandbutterontoast · 04/03/2024 20:57

Yes.
Maybe he thought I would lie and protect him?

😯 glad you didn't!

MildredSauce · 04/03/2024 21:12

Step away from the lot. No more wallowing in the drama or the detail or the players.

Earlier last year you were posting about your awful divorce from an awful man and you mentioned one disastrous relationship in that time that cemented your belief that all men are "lying twatbadgers". Was that guy this guy? In which case, you knew, deep down.

So, suck up the shock. Find your anger and your dignity and focus on what matters and is relevant . None of which is him or her.

TeaGinandFags · 04/03/2024 21:17

You dodged a bullet but it has taken its toll.

Don't blame yourself. These bastards work really really hard to get their lies just right and to catch you off guard so you'll constantly be slightly off balance. Be grateful rhat he didn't move in.

Sending hugs xxx

ThreeLocusts · 04/03/2024 21:24

OP just to wish you strength for moving on. You sound like you have your head screwed on right for things other than this weapons-grade, industrial-scale liar, and now you're seeing through him you will get shot of him.

So things will get better. Flowers

DreamTheMoors · 04/03/2024 21:27

I was married to a man exactly like this.
I was extremely close to his family.
What I laugh about is how he explained the 2-year-old toddler to them right after we divorced.
lol

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:30

The fact is you betrayed his wife and most importantly their children by becoming involved with the father, who you knew was a married man. There's no real coming back from that, I don't really see anything more immoral in his behaviour than yours. You have both behaved absolutely selfishly with no thought but for your own interests.

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:32

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:30

The fact is you betrayed his wife and most importantly their children by becoming involved with the father, who you knew was a married man. There's no real coming back from that, I don't really see anything more immoral in his behaviour than yours. You have both behaved absolutely selfishly with no thought but for your own interests.

I'm sure op won't have realised that at all....

Menomeno · 04/03/2024 21:32

Toooldforthisshit49 · 04/03/2024 20:39

Wow! Just wow! OP here's hoping he gets his karma in spades, what a pathetic excuse for a human he sounds. Yes you shouldn't have become involved with him as you were aware he was married but hey life happens. I really hope you are able to move on from all of this and rebuild your life for you and your children 💐

”Hey life happens”??? Sleeping with a married man doesn’t just “happen”. It is a CHOICE to destroy an innocent family for your own selfish reasons.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2024 21:36

laclochette · 04/03/2024 20:18

@Rosscameasdoody therapists don't "advise" anyone to do anything. First rule of therapy!

Not directly no, but they can make observations when they think a problem suggests a pattern of behaviour - possibly a result of past experience or trauma. All of which is relevant to OP’s situation, as evidenced by her reluctance to let go of a relationship she knows is abusive.

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:36

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:32

I'm sure op won't have realised that at all....

It just seems weird to post about how upset you are due to how badly you have been treated when you have behaved in such a damaging way, I would be just feel extremely ashamed of what I had done.

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:36

Menomeno · 04/03/2024 21:32

”Hey life happens”??? Sleeping with a married man doesn’t just “happen”. It is a CHOICE to destroy an innocent family for your own selfish reasons.

Well of course nobody's already said that a hundred times in the last 25 pages...

oakleaffy · 04/03/2024 21:36

@honeyandbutterontoast Just block this arsehole’s number and the new girlfriends’ number , as well.
All you are doing is opening up the wounds again and again by having her forwarding this idiot’s messages .

See him for what he is- a lying arse with zero morals and a pathetic user of women .

Block and free yourself of this pschitt. 💩
Flush the turd out of your life 🚽

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:37

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:36

Well of course nobody's already said that a hundred times in the last 25 pages...

well you can't really say it enough..

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:37

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:36

It just seems weird to post about how upset you are due to how badly you have been treated when you have behaved in such a damaging way, I would be just feel extremely ashamed of what I had done.

And you think the op doesn't?

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:39

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:37

well you can't really say it enough..

Really, you can. It's called reading the full thread so that you don't keep repeating other people have already said.

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:39

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:37

And you think the op doesn't?

well the main thrust of her thread does not seem to be about how ashamed she is that she didn't respect the wife and children of this man, it seems to be more about how he treated her.

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:40

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:39

Really, you can. It's called reading the full thread so that you don't keep repeating other people have already said.

I don't want to read the whole thread

ihateeveryone · 04/03/2024 21:42

@NotQuiteNorma I am guessing that an OW has not affected your family. Come back to me if that ever happens and I am sure we will share some similar sentiments.

Menomeno · 04/03/2024 21:42

NotQuiteNorma · 04/03/2024 21:39

Really, you can. It's called reading the full thread so that you don't keep repeating other people have already said.

I was responding directly to a very recent post that I had a problem with. I don’t care what’s been said on the rest of the thread.

Maybe by mentioning it we're causing all the OW on here to have an attack of conscience maybe?