I come from a culture where men pay for (all) dates, but women do a lot more work at home (most/ all of the cooking and looking after children, even if they have jobs too). So although it’s still hard for me to feel comfortable with going Dutch, I prefer this way of doing things if it means that childcare and house chores are split a bit more evenly.
I agree that men shouldn’t be expected to pay for all first dates, but if they like me and want to see me again I would like them to pay. I see it as part of the start of the courting process. If I don’t want to see then again I will always refuse and insist we split the bill. If I want to see then again I’ll let them pay and then I’ll pay the next time. But, of course, they have no way of knowing that and I’m sure many women let them pay and then refuse to see them again.
my ‘rules’ for first dates are:
- if we meet in a pub we’ll take turns. I often end up paying more (because they’ll drink pints and I drink half pints) but it doesn’t bother me, it’s just a few pounds after all.
- if they invite me to a nice cocktail bar because they’re trying to impress me then I would like them to pay. I should also add that most men I go on first dates with have good job and earn significantly more than me (I work for a charity so they know before we meet that I don’t earn much. They shouldn’t invite me to an expensive cocktail bar and expect me to pay). But there have been instances where I paid the entire bill in a nice bar because my share was more expensive than theirs and the simple fact that they were willing to pay it all showed me that they are generous and that’s all I needed to know.
I used to think that generosity with money means generosity with love, but I don’t know anymore. Someone was saying earlier that most men pay in order to get sex and I’m afraid I agree with that. I know men who invited women out to nice restaurants, acted all generous and paid the bill only to then tell me exactly how much they spent (to the last penny, so the amount was imprinted in their minds) and be visible frustrated that the women didn’t even go home with them for sex!!
The last guy I dated - I made it obvious from early on that I really liked him so he clearly didn’t feel he had to make an effort with me and take me out. We went out for drinks and took turns to pay. When I delayed having sex with him (I like to take my time) he invited me to dinner, even bought me a little present… I thought we were in the right track. After sex happened he went back to not making an effort (to the point where I’d go to his house and he wouldn’t even offer me a glass of wine unless I brought a bottle). The same guy, after we split up, met a friend of mine on OLD. He didn’t know she was my friend. I must say that the girl is a beauty! He invited her to dinner for their first date, after they exchanged just a few messages! So who is this guy, is he a generous guy who doesn’t mind buying dinner for a woman as part of the process of getting to know her or a stingy guy who doesn’t offer a woman a glass of wine because he knows she is going to sleep with him anyway? One time I went round to his place with a bag of very nice food (as he had just returned from a business trip and was tired so I didn’t want him to feel he had to cook, etc). A few days later we were back at his place. He said he’s get a take-away, and then insisted on getting just a single pizza. I said I was quite hungry and 2 pizzas were needed but he replied that there are leftovers from the food I had brought over 3 days earlier so we could eat that.
so I don’t know what to think about men anymore. Some don’t pay because they are absent minded, others pay but it’s all part of a game so they resent us if they don’t get sex or whatever they want from us in return.