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Are there really as many women as it sounds who deny ex access to children?

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Rainbow03 · 16/02/2024 10:43

I don’t personally know of anyone who has done this. But when you speak to people, especially men you always hear the story of the evil ex women denying contact or making it difficult etc.

My own partner says he has a friend whose ex only allows access if he gives her money.

Do women genuinely behave like this as much as you hear about and why is the story constantly being told.

It makes it difficult when you have actually denied contact to seem legit and I hate telling people in RL. In my case it was drugs and abuse but people probably think I’m one of those ex’s.

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24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 15:56

@Rainbow03 I disagree. Choice of school and doctors are a joint decision as well as any healthcare needed. The RP is 'in charge' of the daily decisions while the child is with them but if with father then he is in charge of daily decisions.

even if NRP has demonstrated years of not attending anything to do with the schooling or health of his children?

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:20

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Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:21

His ex is extremely manipulative and unfortunately managed to wrap these professionals around her little finger.

Oh @24hrCarer

Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:22

so your dh took his ex to court to get access or increase access

and it hugely backfired by the sounds of it?

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Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:26

so he wanted residency and took her to court

but all professionals involved were so appalled that he ended up losing the existing access arrangements he had and even almost going to supervised visits only ?

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 17/02/2024 16:29

givenup123 · 17/02/2024 14:10

And a lot of stories like PurpleSprouts

Often the man has moved out and so doesn’t have anywhere to live or lives in much reduced circumstances and so that will be used as a reason for no overnights by mother and then more and more reasons pile on until contact has been reduced to nothing but mother can claim it’s the dad or the kids aren’t bothered as they don’t have a relationship with father anymore (which is true - they don’t!)

My ex claimed that he couldn't have the children overnight for the first year because he was at his mother's house. Absolutely no reason he couldn't just that he didn't want to. Thankfully my ex prioritised his children and got his own place after this year - most men are capable of finding a place to live, even if it's not as nice as the primary residence.

I'm not saying there aren't women who alienate the fathers but a lot of the time it's men making terrible choices and then blaming the ex.

Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:31

She would even encourage me to emotionally abuse my DH.

his ex would honestly be trying to encourage you to emotionally abuse your DH?

how so?

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MotherofChaosandDestruction · 17/02/2024 16:32

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 17/02/2024 11:49

No, I'm blaming mothers who deliberately poison their children against their fathers.

I don't condone affairs. I find cheaters disgusting. The impact of the affair naturally affects the whole family. But you can still be a shit husband and a good father

Many of the women I work with, are committed only to making their children hate their father, because she hates how he treated her. Often the men could fight harder, but there comes a point with a lot of the cases I see where she so determined, he sees it's completely futile as she will never relent. There's no "claim" about it. They are full on hate campaigns.

I'm not saying that there aren't women who do this, they are awful but I don't believe the narrative that there are loads of women that do this. Most of the stories I see and hear are from women desperate for some respite and men wanting contact on their (unreasonable) terms or not at all.

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Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:33

@24hrCarer

it sounds like they were appalled.

Your husband took his ex to court for residency

and ended up having to even defend himself against supervised visits

To say it massively backfired would be an understatement

what did he actually walk away with in terms of access? given supervised visits only was “very very” close to happening?

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:35

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sounds like she knew what worked with him

MrBanana · 17/02/2024 16:35

BungleandGeorge · 17/02/2024 16:14

@MrBanana if he only ever sees them eow and never attends their events or takes them for necessary treatment etc he is pretty much an absent parent?? I suspect he’s around the house more than eow though

He sees them most weekends. He travels alot. His usual week is leaving at 5-6am and getting back around 8pm with 1-3 overnight stays. Thank you for your suspicions.

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:36

@Firstnews24 Who knows but it's a vile thing to suggest. Didn't want anything to do with her. I won't even talk to her now after everything she has done.

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Firstnews24 · 17/02/2024 16:38

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:36

@Firstnews24 Who knows but it's a vile thing to suggest. Didn't want anything to do with her. I won't even talk to her now after everything she has done.

what has she actually done?

Lied and cried and managed to manipulate the entire family court system?

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:38

@Firstnews24 Yes I do think social workers cannot spot abuse or alienation. They even admitted they have no training on parental alienation so go figure 🤷🏻‍♀️

Anyway, it's a very complex situation with years and years of court cases, which started solely due to the mum's behaviour.

24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:39

@Firstnews24 It would take me about 100 pages to write what she has done but included in that would be abuse of my own children. She's not a nice person. Not sure why you can't accept that women can be vile.

Rainbow03 · 17/02/2024 16:40

@MrBanana £160 a month it’s going to go far and I wouldn’t say that helps me in any way reduce my need to work. I own my own home and did before him. I worked a lot more with him than I do now. I was able to work the days he was at home. He now has another lady and their children to look after so works apparently 6 days a week. Often cash in hand so it’s doesn’t come this way for his child we share.

I don’t resent parenting my daughter more at all. The more she spends with me the less she has to witness him shouting and swearing at his girlfriend. If he cancels his days then so be it. Daughter is starting to not want to go because she is scared of his shouting. He is making a rod for his own back. I promote safe contact.

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24hrCarer · 17/02/2024 16:43

@Firstnews24 have you ever been through the family court system from a father's perspective?

Rainbow03 · 17/02/2024 16:43

@24hrCarer I don’t doubt women can be vile. I just don’t think with all I’ve been through I would trust a man’s story outright. I’ve never really met any vile women. Lots of clicky women at the school gate and women at work bitching about other women I have.

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