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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

OP posts:
DomPom47 · 22/01/2024 18:20

glasdee · 22/01/2024 13:53

I am incredibly sorry. This is life changing & devastating for you all.

Youv’e safeguarded your children now which is the most important thing. It might be worth getting therapy, this is really traumatic and you’ll need some help.

Agree with this.

Shame on your mother.
Really glad your kids have two sensible parents who put their safety and well-being above everything else - as all good parents should.

You know you are doing the right thing. Your mother has been brainwashed by this man - the fact that she heard all the convinctions and is still staying with him shows this.

bonzaitree · 22/01/2024 18:21

I don’t mean to be rude but what is wrong with your mum? Why oh why would you marry a convicted pedophile? How can you share your life with such an evil human.

What does she have to say about it?

Anisette · 22/01/2024 18:24

The only thing that might be said for your mother is that she probably did this out of utter stupidity: she convinced herself, because she wanted to, that her boyfriend was safe around your children and she wanted to see your children. But it's not much of an excuse, because she must also have convinced herself that she knew better than the social workers.

I'd be tempted to point out to social services that your mother is still in contact with her other grandchild, and past experience shows that she really can't be trusted to keep the boyfriend away from the child.

Naptrappedmummy · 22/01/2024 18:28

bonzaitree · 22/01/2024 18:21

I don’t mean to be rude but what is wrong with your mum? Why oh why would you marry a convicted pedophile? How can you share your life with such an evil human.

What does she have to say about it?

Do you know what I don’t actually care if she’s vulnerable, insecure or whatever else. There comes a time when as an adult you have to own your decisions, particularly when they’re as evil and treacherous as this. I’m glad to see there hasn’t been the usual rush of ‘don’t blame her, he’s the criminal’ or ‘maybe he is abusive behind closed doors and she felt under pressure’.

HowToSaveAWife · 22/01/2024 18:30

The fact that your mum is still standing to feel woe is me is a testament to your restraint. Well done OP for doing the right thing by your kids. Your mother doesn't deserve any kindness here, sick sick woman. Vulnerable or not.

Ladolcevita233 · 22/01/2024 18:30

They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.

Yeah I think the wedding was a reward for her loyalty when it all came out.

And an "is against the world" type gesture.

bonzaitree · 22/01/2024 18:32

Naptrappedmummy · 22/01/2024 18:28

Do you know what I don’t actually care if she’s vulnerable, insecure or whatever else. There comes a time when as an adult you have to own your decisions, particularly when they’re as evil and treacherous as this. I’m glad to see there hasn’t been the usual rush of ‘don’t blame her, he’s the criminal’ or ‘maybe he is abusive behind closed doors and she felt under pressure’.

I agree I 100% blame her too. Her choice to say nothing and facilitate the relationship.

CarpetSlipper · 22/01/2024 18:32

I’m so sorry you are going through this. Your mother has not only failed you but has actively facilitated him having access to your children. She’s as bad as him and sounds like they should both be behind bars.

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:33

Sadly this is not uncommon. Lots of women stay with pedophiles. Obviously, she can never see your children alone again as she can not be trusted to safeguard them.
I know it is hard, but consider whether for the sake of the children it is worth her having some supervised contact. But only do this if it is best for your children, what your mum wants is irrelevant in all of this.

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 18:35

Sending ❤️

thebestinterest · 22/01/2024 18:37

Op, you are a brave woman. I honestly would have strangled her in a fit a fit of rage. Omg. As someone who was abused as a child, my tolerance is tremendously low with this stuff. People who intentionally put children in harms way … wow.

Pinkplans · 22/01/2024 18:37

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:33

Sadly this is not uncommon. Lots of women stay with pedophiles. Obviously, she can never see your children alone again as she can not be trusted to safeguard them.
I know it is hard, but consider whether for the sake of the children it is worth her having some supervised contact. But only do this if it is best for your children, what your mum wants is irrelevant in all of this.

What a stupid suggestion to make. How is it in the children’s best interest to spend anytime with a person who’d offer them up on a plate to a paedophile? Even if the man now died, I still wouldn’t let her anywhere near my children. She can’t be trusted.

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 18:38

Exactly, talk about twist the knife, think some people are forgetting this isn’t a drama on TV but someone’s life 🤦‍♀️😡

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:38

@Pinkplans she can not be trusted which is why I said supervised contact. But it depends on how deep the relationship is and how distressed the children are at not seeing her again.

HalloumiGeller · 22/01/2024 18:38

Omg this is horrible, I'm so sorry! I'd be livid about this and feel completely betrayed by my own mother 😔. I feel I'd have no choice but to go NC with her, her vile husband and any of her family that take her side quote frankly! I'd making sure the police prosecuted that vile, disgusting pig aswell for clearly breaching his bail conditions! What kind of woman marries a paedo!!

callingeveryone · 22/01/2024 18:40

@Menapausemum1974 I am going to leave this thread. But I understand exactly this scenario. My father was a paedophile although he never abused me or my sister. I still wanted to see him.
I think it is those who have no involvement in these kind of scenarios who fail to understand the complexities.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 22/01/2024 18:40

GreatGateauxsby · 22/01/2024 16:22

Given you know what his convictions are, is it worth putting it down black and white and emailing / what's apping the entire family?

You can explain you aren't in contact with your DM or her husband because your DM systematically lied to you and the police.
he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt of X Y and Z * he is a paedophile and he should not be allowed contact with children or polite society.

That way here is no ambiguity within the wider family. And people like your SIL don't have to relying on your DB or MIL to tell them the "full story".

*And I would NOT sugar coat any of this
by listing the conviction eg. "grievous sex act" or whatever

I would spell out very clearly the crimes he committed eg
he anally raped a 6 year old boy... Forced a 5 year old girl to give him a blow job...and threatened to kill her and her famipy if she told anyone...whatever utterly heinous acts he committed in black and white.

Your family are awful and you are doing 100% the right thing 💐

This as well Op. Has your brother told his son’s mum all the details? Or glossed over it… Of be tempted to WhatsApp all of them individually with the list of horrible crimes.

ProbablyUnreasonably · 22/01/2024 18:41

Truly awful and I can’t imagine how hard it is for you, your partner and your children.

to anyone else reading this, you can always do a Claire’s law request on any new (or long-standing) partner that your parents get. Sad as it is, it would be great if a few more people did this and discovered the truth sooner.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 18:41

As much as it is distressing for my daughters, they will never have contact with her, supervised or not. They know that Nanny did not keep them safe and mine and my husbands job is to keep them safe and make sure that others do too.

OP posts:
Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 18:42

Unfortunately I do understand and have been there, I think we all handle things differently but I agree it is complex. Hope you’re ok

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 18:42

❤️

tribpot · 22/01/2024 18:45

I think she would still be capable of grooming them during supervised contact. I think you're right to sever all ties @againstmywill . There's no way back from this.

berksandbeyond · 22/01/2024 18:46

You’re a great mum. You do not have a great mum.

well done OP, this is so hard for you but you’ve put your kids first. I hope he goes to prison!

Ladolcevita233 · 22/01/2024 18:48

I'm absolutely amazed that any woman can fancy or have feelings for or have physical contact etc with a man who's sexually abused little kids.

I can only imagine that in most cases they convince themselves that it didn't happen, that he is a victim of malicious fantasist liars and that his convictions were a miscarriage of justice. His accusers were believed but are lying.
That's could only be it, couldn't it?

With older children, I think the partners of sex abusers depict any girls as little Lolitas, promiscuous, tempting, attention seeking, manipulative; and lying if they say it wasn't consensual.
We have lots of cultural issues that play into that narrative. Hence a poster on here says her mother believed Ian Huntley's victims were little - insert offensive, sexualised word - and put responsibility on them for the crimes against them.

I'm not sure how they could depict younger kids though; do they just disbelieve those incidents happened and think it's a miscarriage of justice? I think most people, especially women, find it so unimaginable that someone would force sexual activities on a child, that they actually can't believe it could happen, it's easier to believe there's a misunderstanding/malicious accusations.

(That disbelief reminds me of the way we are inclined to feel about the Lucy Letby case, for example. Your mind keeps returning to disbelief that anyone could or would do that, so you keep returning to the question could there be a mistake/miscarriage of justice, then you read about all the evidence and circumstances and it's clear someone, that someone being beyond reasonable doubt her, did murder those infants. But the inclination to disbelief is strong).

The miscarriage of justice narrative also fits with the fact that sex offenders and child sex abusers are often the ultimate victim playing narcs. I read someone who deals with them say they can wax lyrical for hours about how their convictions have ruined their lives ..... But when asked what they think the effect of their actions on their victims is, they look blankly and uncomprehendingly and have nothing to.say.

thebestinterest · 22/01/2024 18:50

SaladDays2024 · 22/01/2024 14:05

Id think you, your husband and the twins all need therapy separately.
How can you be sure nothing happened?!
You can't rely on asking your kids it needs to be someone neutral and trained.

Your brother who still takes his daughter around the pedo and your mum needs reporting to social services.
You must tell everyone who he is and what he has done that includes neighbours.

Sadly, I agree with this OP.

as someone who was sexually abused by my grans partner, i urge you to get them therapy. I never disclosed of it until I was 18 and had hit rock bottom.

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