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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

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Hopingforno2in2024 · 22/01/2024 17:30

fatphalange · 22/01/2024 17:29

I'm so sorry. It's hard to believe there are women out there like this and yet there are many. I'd need physically holding back from this woman if I ever saw her again. I'm just so sorry Flowers

MIL keeps asking if I will ever see her again. I wouldn’t be able to trust myself not to throttle her.

crew2022 · 22/01/2024 17:31

I'm so sorry this has happened. You've done everything right, I don't think I could ever forgive your mum.
You've protected your children as soon as you were aware and that's the thing to hang on to.

Seaitoverthere · 22/01/2024 17:32

I can't add to the advice you have been given but just wanted to say how sorry I am to hear what you are going through, totally horrific. Counselling for you all a good idea and very pleased to hear that the twins' school has been quick to provide support.

It appears you and your family have been badly let down by the authorities, on what planet is is right for the onus to be on the person convicted to tell people, where is there any level of safeguarding in that ? That's something personally I would need to follow up once the shock has worn off a bit and you have time to process to stop that happening to another family.

2024horizons · 22/01/2024 17:35

One of the worst things I read on MN in a long time and you have my sympathy 100%.

StopStartStop · 22/01/2024 17:35

I am so sorry your mother has let you down so badly. Everything that you have done is correct and right.

Unicorntastic · 22/01/2024 17:36

Achillo · 22/01/2024 15:18

Paedophiles always seek out the desperately lonely women who will put having a partner over everything else in their life. The don't choose the people who would protect and defend those around them. They choose the women who will turn a blind eye on the condition that they won't be left.
I heard about an actual handbook they have that gets passed around online about how to access other people's kids. It said to try to date lonely, overweight single mothers who wouldn't usually get romantic or sexual attention, as a way to get inside people's homes. It broke my heart to read it but it opened my eyes. So sorry that you found out who your mum is in this heartbreaking way.
It's all about minding yourself, your lovely kids and DP now. Whatever it takes to deal with the anger, pain and loss you all feel.

100%! You can never trust them, everything they do is designed to either get to a child or ‘charm’ you so they can get to the child.
how anyone can defend them I do not know, just know you are doing the right thing OP.

whatsitcalledwhen · 22/01/2024 17:44

moomoomoo27 · 22/01/2024 16:58

This is bad. Not to be a downer on it but he could have done something while they were asleep that they slept through, like Josh Duggar.

Jesus. In what way is this possibly helpful to OP who is already devastated and has taken this incredibly seriously the whole time?

MoonWoman69 · 22/01/2024 17:45

OP - I am so, so sorry you've been put in this position. Having read your post I feel sick to my stomach. I'm smh and absolutely horrified at what I've just read.
What is the hell is wrong with a grown woman, who knows ALL this about her partner, that makes her actually want to stick around and be with him?! He should have been kicked to the kerb as she found out! And everyone within earshot would have known all about him! Despicable woman.
I'm my view, you need to go NC with absolutely all members of your family that are complicit in this awful situation. If they're clearly of the opinion that everything is ok because he hasn't abused their/your kids/it was in the past, then I'm sorry, no, they need to go. That's enabling the sick fuck into thinking he's ok and has people on his side! Talk about rose coloured specs! I really cannot see what is wrong with your family thinking that any part of this situation is ok! They might as well have just shrugged and said, oh well, these things happen, because that's basically what they're saying!
But you now know and have your DH, DC's and hopefully good supportive friends that can fill the gap that going NC will leave. But to be fair, it's a gap I certainly wouldn't regret creating.
Sending virtual hugs and healing vibes. Hope you feel better soon too 💐💐💐

BestBadger · 22/01/2024 17:46

NoCloudsAllowed · 22/01/2024 14:01

I'd be very upset with her too.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Paedophiles are often expert manipulators, they groom adults as well as kids. That's how they get away with it. Your mum wouldn't be the first to be completely taken in.

Yeah, one is paedophilia the other isn't. As the OP has heard the cases against him & called him a paedophile I think we know the nature of his offending.

It's a terrible thing her mother has done and, although there are explanations for her behaviour, I can't think of anything that could excuse it.

whatsitcalledwhen · 22/01/2024 17:50

@NoCloudsAllowed

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

She said he's a convicted paedophile. 15 convictions. Interfamilial victims. That's just from her first post.

nilbybutt · 22/01/2024 17:51

Your mum has failed you.

Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 22/01/2024 17:53

greasypolemonkeyman · 22/01/2024 16:10

This is very true, I remember reading a study about sexual offenders where they cooperated with the Drs etc and answered questions. I always remember one of them saying they could pick potential victims out of a room full of 25 people just by watching them interact. He said you could spot the vulnerable a mile off , the ones that wouldn't have the courage to say no or that were desperate for attention. They are literal predators that can sniff out the best way to get what they want. A strong self assured person that has been properly schooled in appropriate touches and no no squares and shown firm boundraries and consistency throughout childhood is much more likely to say no and tell an adult or shout for help. So they tend not to go for that type as is much more risky if they have vigilant parents that care . That's not to say that strong well rounded people aren't abused but it tends to be more opportunistic as opposed to a long term grooming campaign where they slide themselves into the entire family and often groom the parent and extended family as well. They are monsters.

I was a victim as a child myself and I was neurodivergent, emotionally neglected and had two parents that had incredibly poor boundraries with friends. So I went onto be sexually assaulted and raped as a teen, then to be in a DV relationship and to be raped as a young adult and I ended up with a cocaine addiction and no end of other problems. It's taken me 2 decades to slowly unpick my life and get therapy and just be able to sleep at night.

Op, I know this must have hit you like a ton of bricks and I really hope you do get therapy to help you come to terms with it. The man that sexually abused me was my baby sisters god father and even when they were told that he had a conviction in the early 90s, he explained it away and they kept him around. I eventually told them when I was 15 and he dropped off the radar but they didn't believe me. They went to visit him a year later and then they were friends again. I eventually went to the police when his step daughter I used to baby sit got contacted my through the new fb and said he had been raping her every day from age 7-17. He was convicted. He had previous convictions for rapping his first daughter and step daughter in the 80s and also for beastiality.

My parents STILL went to see him in prison. Because they preferred to believe him and his innocence as to admit he was a C monster meant that they had shocking judgement and THAT couldn't be true. Even worse after this all came out they found another "friend" who fleeced them of a fortune and turned out to a convicted rapist and bigamist and they still defended him even when faced with the news records. Again, deluded.

It took me a long time to deal with my conflicted emotions. These days I do still see my mum occasionally but it's very fleeting. Like 15 minutes 3-4 times a year and I do that for my sisters, not them. I don't feel anything for her apart from a vague feeling of disappointment. She has never ever put me or my sisters first and the damage this has caused has almost ruined my life. I won't be sad when she's dead.

Sorry this happened to you @greasypolemonkeyman and thank you for your brave post x

Menapausemum1974 · 22/01/2024 17:58

Really harsh and unfair, if you go by your rules nobody would leave kids with anyone 🤷‍♀️

whatsitcalledwhen · 22/01/2024 17:59

You sound like an amazing person @greasypolemonkeyman who has done so well to process everything that happened to you and decide to focus on healing. You should be really proud of yourself Flowers

mrssunshinexxx · 22/01/2024 17:59

This is terrible. You have done the right thing. Go NC with your mother and any other family you deem necessary. You're in control now, keep your children safe . Take care of your self and MH x

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 22/01/2024 18:00

You are doing everything right in an absolutely horrific situation thst you should have never been put in.

Never doubt yourself. You're a good mum and doing what you have to to protect your children.

Ramalangadingdong · 22/01/2024 18:02

I am sorry I have not rtft but I have read all op’s posts. Like others I send heartfelt sympathy to you and your partner. I am pleased that your children are safe.

I am appalled by your mother’s actions and wish the police could have arrested her and that she too had to go to court for aiding and abetting him in breaking the terms of his license. If that had happened your brothers might feel very differently and she might have been given a wake up call.

Also, I am not making excuses for your mother but I wonder if there was any coercive control involved between her and her partner.

In any case I hope you and your family can try your best to put this behind you and that you can have a happy future.

Sureaseggs44 · 22/01/2024 18:09

If someone commits one crime and they serve their sentence and are genuinely remorseful then you can understand giving them a second chance , but you would or should still be honest with family . However the nature of these disgusting crimes mean they are committed in the most secretive and manipulative way , so I am not sure you would ever trust the person , let alone keep their background secret . Who in their right mind would do this . It’s totally immoral.

socks1107 · 22/01/2024 18:11

What an awful betrayal.
You have every right to feel the way you do and every right to cut him off. I'm sorry you've had to go through this

Blogswife · 22/01/2024 18:12

This is so awful OP and totally unforgivable. I would be absolutely furious with DM in your situation and like you would have no further contact.
I can only guess what if going through your mind . I found out a few years ago that my DC had been in contact with a pedophile and it tormented me . They are now older and I am now assured that they came to no harm but the uncertainty is awful
I work in the court system and cannot for the life of me understand why this guy did not go back to prison . He’s knowingly violated the terms of his licence/ parole and lied to do so yet he’s allowed to live in the community . Beggars belief !
Thank goodness someone spoke up when they did .

socks1107 · 22/01/2024 18:14

Sorry I meant them, and your mum. Of course, she has betrayed you with someone who is not fit to be around any child xx

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 18:15

Achillo · 22/01/2024 17:22

Do you roll your eyes when you see an ambulance aswell, because you don't need one? NC is life-saving for a lot of people. It just means you have been lucky so far, to not understand the pain involved for people before and after going NC with partners/ mothers/ family.

Don't be so utterly ridiculous! Some people throw the term around like confetti, and if you don't realise that, then you're one of them.

It's not something that's easy to do and it's not always the right thing to do either!! Catch a grip!

UsualChaos · 22/01/2024 18:17

That is about the biggest betrayal possible, and anyone in your family who can't see that doesn't deserve a second more of your time.
I'm afraid supposedly loving parents will do the most unthinkable things to maintain a status quo they think they want or need, but it's never justified.
You've done absolutely the right thing, and don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise.

UsualChaos · 22/01/2024 18:18

NoCloudsAllowed · 22/01/2024 14:01

I'd be very upset with her too.

However, I'd want to know what the nature of his offence was. Not saying it's ok, but someone convicted for sharing images of 15 year olds is a different kind of threat than someone whose offence involved young children.

Paedophiles are often expert manipulators, they groom adults as well as kids. That's how they get away with it. Your mum wouldn't be the first to be completely taken in.

OP's children will be 15 one day.

againstmywill · 22/01/2024 18:18

I am utterly shocked at how many people have been on the same situation or in situations where abuse has taken place. I shouldn’t be as I am in a profession that is very aware of how much this happens but you never think it would happen to you or your family. My heart goes out to all of you and please read some of this fantastic advice I have been given on this thread.

To answer some of you, the man wasn’t seen as a threat, he had always followed the rules (that they know of), always disclosed and the fact my mum said she would protect my children and he wouldn’t see them wasn’t followed up on as closely. He was considered as low risk (70 years old) and covid…. So basically they trusted a lady who was willingly in a relationship with a peadophile. He came to the hospital to meet my daughters, I have messages from him asking how soon he could come and meet them…
most peadophiles don’t have ridiculous conditions. His were/are can’t be in the company of children for more than 12 hours at a time, no overnights, no social media.
12 fucking hours is ridiculous. Nothing about playgrounds or anything. You would be surprised to how little some of them are checked up on and believed…. Also, how many people don’t care and carry on seeing them. The police threw everything they could at him and thanked us profusely for even giving a statement. My husband did it in case he denied it and so I wouldn’t have to go to court but he would.

Have I heard from her? She sent my husband a message once the police had left. I knew what time they would be raiding his house and put all the blocks in place at that time. He then rang her later that day and she lied. He let her talk then said ___, I know that’s a lie. She was all woe is me and said she knows I will never talk to her ever again. My husband said that it was up to me about that but she would never, ever see our children again. She asked what she could do and he said to write a statement in support of us to try and get him to go to prison. Supposedly, she went to the police station but didn’t follow through as ‘she was too upset’.
She then posted a card through 4 months later on our wedding anniversary. She signed it from both of them (week after he went to court) and they got a good result for them. She put it through the door, by hand at 5pm (we have a routine with my Dd as one is ND and 5 is dinner time). One of them got the card, gave it to me and my face dropped. They are very bright and said ‘That was from Nanny, wasn’t it?’ I went to the door and ran after the car to shove it back at her. I was fuming. In the end I drove round there (about 8 minute drive) and rang the doorbell. He opened it and tried to shut it in my face. I threw it in the door and said ‘Never contact me ever again’. I then rang the police and if she ever contacts us again they will charge her with harassment. Once they had read what happened (they rang me back) they understood my panic of her contacting us and coming to our house. We had to have some PCSOs come to the house and get cameras up to try and get the girls to feel safe after it.
Our wedding was the night that they stayed in a hotel room with him. Our engagement was the time they first had a sleepover. Our hen/stag dos they stayed over. Honeymoon they stayed with them. My mother offered every time. so our wedding has this black cloud and her doing that on our anniversary felt like a massive ‘fuck you’.

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