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My mum is with a convicted peadophile

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againstmywill · 22/01/2024 13:49

This is long one so please bear with me.
So, I found out 6 months ago that the man my mum has been with for 10 years is a convicted peadophile and she knew. He has had access to my twins since they were born, my mum has helped out with childcare, had them overnight and when I have been away (longest was 6 days). All of this was not allowed as part of his bail conditions.
When I fell pregnant he told the police officers that deal with him that I was pregnant. They told him that if he was to ever see my children that I would need to be told about his past, he told them that he would under no circumstances ever disclose that he was a peadophile to me or my mums family so he was told he was never allowed to see my children, even by accident and if he did, I would have to be told due to safeguarding. My mum was there during this meeting and agreed this and said because I don’t live close (I lived in London at the time which was about an hour/hour and a half drive) she would travel to see me and he would never have contact.
We moved closer to my family when the twins were one.
My twins are now 5 and have had a lot of contact with this man. They have been by themselves with him, stayed overnight in his house (also my mums) and for extended periods of time. They had a relationship with him, they were naked in his garden in the paddling pool, they stayed in the same hotel room as him.
Someone contacted the safeguarding team who knew about him and I got a phone call on a Friday afternoon asking me about who my mum was in a relationship with and then asking me not to let my children see him over the weekend, they would investigate and get back to me. We thought they had got something wrong but I questioned each twin separately to see if there was anything untoward about when being at Nanny’s, asked if they had seen private parts etc. the answer was no. I’ve banged into them about never keeping secrets from me, we use the ‘correct’ vocabulary for our private parts and spoken about how parts of your body are private and for them only. This is the case unless I need to help them (sore/uti/lazy with wiping). So I trust they are unharmed but, then again, they sleep like the living dead so that goes around in my head!
Monday, I hear nothing but I am admitted to hospital with a high temperature, 2 weeks postpartum with singleton, mastitis and a viral infection and needing to be on IV antibiotics. My mum is messaging, seeing if she needs to have my twins but they are with husbands family due to safeguarding call, baby is obviously in with me. Tuesday still nothing so I try to ring, nothing, try different number and get through and leave a message. Don’t hear anything in the afternoon so ring again, person on my case has changed so I ask to speak to someone higher up. Finally get given a number and it’s for a police officer. This is when we know the accusation is serious (other half and I are safeguard trained). Ring police officer and they need permission to share information before can tell us. Two hours later we get the call, it’s usually done face to face but with me being in hospital they said they would rather tell me sooner than later. 15 convictions and convictions read out, I burst into tears after the first one asking how my mum doesn’t know this. This is when I’m told that my mum does know and has know for a long time. 15 fucking convictions and it’s intrafamilial so he had easy access to those children too. I’m in no state to speak so my other half takes the lead and we are asked to make a statement backing up that he has had contact with my children.

My husband made a statement the next day, the police were so grateful and the whole team were gathering evidence as they wanted to get him. We found out more and more about my mum’s involvement and how much she knew. It’s safe to say the police were disgusted by her and weren’t afraid to make that known to my other half!
The next day the whole team turn up at his house and arrest him. My mum finally understands why she hasn’t heard from me from Tuesday afternoon.
He was sentenced before Christmas and isn’t going back to prison but has got a suspended sentence. He LIED for 5 years to the probation team and the specialist team that deals with him. His life doesn’t change. Her life, apart from not seeing me and her grandchildren, doesn’t change. One of my brothers still sees her with his daughter(!?). My other brothers haven’t heard from here ans are waiting for her to contact them, she has assumed they will feel like me. They see it as ‘but nothing happened to your twins’ which I feel isn’t the point!!!

My mum, after we found out a few months ago, married him.

My life is broken. My mum has committed the most heinous crime in my eyes, so I no longer have a mother. Her family haven’t contacted me after she told them that he’s a peadophile. So, with a decision that I did not make, my twins, my newborn and I need to suffer the consequences. My husband is being supportive and is unbelievably angry at my family, my brothers and obviously my mum. They don’t see how bad my mum has been and the danger she put my children in.

At first I lied to my DDs and said that Nanny and —— were on holiday. One twin turned round one morning and told me they knew nanny wasn’t on holiday and asked why they couldn’t see her. I had to tell them Nanny had done something very bad and put them in really bad danger but they’re 5 so they don’t really understand.
How can a mother do this to their child and grandchildren? How can my brothers not understand?
I can’t tell people because I’m so ashamed my mum could do this to us.

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moomoomoo27 · 22/01/2024 16:58

This is bad. Not to be a downer on it but he could have done something while they were asleep that they slept through, like Josh Duggar.

mindutopia · 22/01/2024 16:59

@againstmywill I am so, so sorry this has happened to you and your family. I haven't read the responses, but I wanted to respond quickly to you as you have literally described almost word for word dh and I's own experience - though (if you can believe that lightening could bloody strike twice!) for us, this happened both with MIL and her partner and my mum and her partner.

I won't go into precise detail, but basically, exactly the same. MIL's partner was convicted of CSA of his niece. MIL supported him during the trial and waited for him for 3 years while he was in prison. This is when dh was at uni, so while he knew that MIL's partner had a dodgy past and was in prison, he actually never really asked about the details (they are 'that sort' of family, sadly, the sort that only talk about the weather and what planning permission the neighbours are trying to put through). The wider family did know, but no one ever told us. Partner was on sexual harm prevention order, not allowed around children overnight unless with permission of their parents, we were banned from every staying over with our dc (they did at least stick to that, but for years I thought it was just because they didn't like me!). It finally came out 10 years later, because we were finally invited for a visit to stay with them (the SHPO was meant to be lifted - it was a 10 year one), but then the paperwork didn't get processed in time, so MIL ended up having to ring dh up and tell him that's why she was cancelling. Long story short, we went NC. We have never seen her partner again, don't go to any family events where he is present, we were NC with MIL for several years. We do see her now a few times a year, she has supervised, but restricted contact with the dc. They are never allowed to her house. I'd rather NC at all, but dh and I had to compromise. My dc know in no uncertain terms though that her partner is a bad man. What's key here is that MIL truly believes he is innocent (even though I eye roll at that because it's so unbelievable).

Anyway, fast forward 4 years from this discovery, my mum has been in a relationship with/married to her partner for 15 years. I never liked him. His own dc are NC with him (which always rings alarm bells, obviously more so in retrospect). There is just something 'off' about him that I can't put my finger on. I actually went through several years of every 6 months or so googling his name to see if I could find out something about him that might explain why I just felt something wasn't right. All those years, nothing came up. Then one day I googled again, and there it was, information about his appearance in criminal court. I couldn't see anything about the case or any other information other than his name, the court and the date. The alarm bells started clanging loudly in my head and my heart almost dropped on the floor. I knew this is why I'd been looking all these years. I hired a PI (best money I've ever spent) to find out about the case and its outcome. Long story short, he was arrested for and plead guilty to CSA against his daughter. This was a few years before he met my mum.

I had to tell my mum and I actually fully expected that I was about to destroy her life. I assumed she had no idea and dh and I actually started to make plans for if she needed to come live with us as she would have nowhere to go if she left him or he threw her out. Turns out she knew literally from their first date! She knows he did it (he told her he did), but according to her, 'everyone deserves a second chance' and she 'knew she could keep my children safe'. She was actually angry at me for finding out. Angry at me for hiring the PI. Angry at me for talking to anyone about it. I disclosed my own sexual abuse to her. She was angry at me about that too.

There was about 3 years of back and forth trying to actually get through to her about the seriousness of all of this, trying to get her to see the light (and leave him!), obviously during this time neither of them had any contact with our dc, not even cards or presents. This was just conversations between dh and I and her. Her belief at the end of the day is that he wouldn't do it again and my children were never in harm's way, and I am being ridiculous. I do know however that he has offended since - they together are members of a family naturist club for people with children, obviously, they have no children. He's groomed her to believe this is perfectly okay and normal behaviour. She doesn't see it. Her whole world revolves around him and anyone who questions anything about him becomes the enemy. Over the years, she's very vindictively cut off several very close friends, now I understand better why (friends didn't know, but they didn't like him). I tried so hard to get through to her, but the last straw was when she started spreading lies about dh and I that we had taken £100Ks from them and then run away and cut them off from seeing their grandchildren. 🙄

Anyway, we are completely NC now. I hope to never see or speak to her again, though she does try get in touch maybe a couple times a year. We have moved and she no longer knows where we live anymore, which helps.

I'm so so sorry you are going through this. It is the greatest violation I've ever experienced in my life - more traumatic that the abuse I experienced as a child, more traumatic than the multiple SA I've experienced as an adult. Having the person who should have protected you above everyone in the world violate your trust and your sense of safety for your children is the deepest cut. It shook my sense of trust in everyone and everything around me.

Sorry this is all so long! But I'm just trying to think of all the things I wish someone had said to me back when I thought I was the only person who had ever experienced this. Be compassionate with yourself. It will come in waves of disbelief and anger and sadness and blind rage. You will feel confused. You will need to figure out your new normal. Do be open and talk to people. Don't keep this a secret. These things multiply when they are kept hiding in the shadows. You will find people come from nowhere to support you and hold you up through this. I had people who I barely even knew, old work colleagues, distant family members who I usually spoke to once a year, a friend of my mum's from work 30 years ago, who scooped me up and carried me along and kept me whole. But do prepare that the people you love and who are closest to you may not do the same. Some of the people closest to me turned on dh and I. Spread malicious rumours about me. Blocked me on everything, etc. I didn't expect that either. People who I never expected to became this abuser's biggest apologists. If you have siblings or family who do feel like you and support you, keep them close and hold each other up through it all. Do when you're ready reach out and speak to a therapist. It helped so much.

I keep saying that one day I'm going to set up a charity that supports families like us who have been rocked by abuse in this way. There are charities that support children who have experienced abuse and their families. There are charities that support families of an abuser while in prison and reintegrating to the world. There is a family estrangement charity. But there isn't anything for us who have experienced our lives being torn apart by a parent who has chosen an abuser over us. There are so many of us out here. You really aren't alone. Hang in there.

Ohdojustfuckoff · 22/01/2024 17:00

I'm so so sorry, it reads like she really was offering up your children to him. If for nothing else, but to look at.
She is absolutely just as bad as him.
Having the kids in the garden naked in the paddling pool around him, offering to bath them when they visited, the over nights, having them in the same hotel room as him over night.
She's a very sick individual. I'm so sorry this is what your own mother has done to you.

Chickendinner5 · 22/01/2024 17:01

My mother is exactly the same as yours by the sound of it. He’s currently in prison for 3 years for sexually assaulting my sister. My mum defends this man and has ridiculed all of her children for him. We now don’t want contact with her after showing us what type of mother she is. I feel for you hun and I’m sorry. Still hurts loosing a mum you thought cared xx

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 17:02

This is unforgiveable. I sometimes roll my eyes a little when 'NC' is bandied about on here, but if ever it was justified, this is it.

It's the most hideous betrayal of your trust. Your mother is sick in the head if she wants to be with this utter piece of shit. I really don't know how anyone could do it, and to place her grandchildren at such risk, well, words just fail me. The pair of them deserve their fuck kicked in - her actually even more so than him, because she was the one who put your children at risk!

I wouldn't cover up for them though. Anyone who is likely to have their children around these scumbags should know what they are. It's no reflection whatsoever on you. All you did was to trust your mum and she has let you down horrendously.

I think you need some form of talking therapy to unpick this, and give you back some peace of mind somehow.

You have your own little family - and congratulations on your baby. TG you found out. I have no idea why the authorities left it for him to tell you. That was a gross omission. You should have been informed properly at the time.

YouAreAnIdiot · 22/01/2024 17:02

OP apologies if my earlier message was too strong , I 100% would never ever put blame on you

As someone though who’s been molested by her own father, I ll tell you one thing: when it comes to your kids have a zero trust policy

All these grown people that have come out with sexual abuse history by “known” family, it’s because a parent trusted

if you were in this position again tomorrow, would you trust ?

don’t feel bad about getting rid family members, your kids are your priority

I wish you the best and pray your and your kids are safe

2jacqi · 22/01/2024 17:03

@againstmywill absolutely disgusted reading this!! what a massive breach of trust by your mother! to @NoCloudsAllowed it is a very very fine line between pics of 15 year olds and pics of 5 year olds!!!! 15 convictions is no small matter and at the very least he should be put back into jail for breaching bail conditions! your mother has aided and abetted him in this matter and she too should hang her head in utter shame! your brothers might eventually learn!!!

thatsjustthewayitisok · 22/01/2024 17:06

This is appalling, OP, I'm so sorry.

bombardelli · 22/01/2024 17:07

Has your mum contacted you OP? Flowers

TwistAgain · 22/01/2024 17:11

I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

how your brothers can put their kids in harms way is actually terrifying. I’m glad your children have you. Your mum knew about the convictions and still allowed your children to spend time alone with him, be naked around him etc. Absolutely vile.

ukgot2pot · 22/01/2024 17:11

One of the most horrific things I've ever read on here. I'm just so sorry.

bunsnroses1 · 22/01/2024 17:13

I'm so sorry OP, can't imagine the absolute betrayal.
As you and some PP have said, your mother has literally offered your children up to a convicted sex offender. The usual interpretation of these situations is that the woman is 'blinded by love', simple minded and believes he's innocent etc., but I think you need to consider the horrific possibility that she is an accomplice. Female pedophiles are rarer than males, but they do exist.

Justleaveitblankthen · 22/01/2024 17:16

Amy1998 · 22/01/2024 16:09

Their reasoning doesn’t make sense to me. A sex offender who has committed crimes against children cannot have unsupervised access with children under 18 or be anywhere a child is like parks, schools and the parents would be informed in the first instance, so they should have really told you in the first place

This.
It's mind blowing to me that the police simply told him to stay away from you.

Shouldn't you have been Informed?
Shouldn't everyone in your mother's family have been informed?
He wasn't just a randomer, he was your mother's partner, now husband?!.
Sharing the same address/bills/electoral role...

I am so, so shocked and horrified for you OP.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 22/01/2024 17:18

I am so sorry. I think I would be moving far away.

Hopingforno2in2024 · 22/01/2024 17:18

I am so so sorry OP. Almost 2 years ago we had a visit from the child protection team of the police and social services over MIL’s husband who has multiple allegations of sexual crimes against children on his record (no convictions as the victims didn’t want to go through court). We had allowed this man to babysit our DS since he was a small baby.

It has destroyed DH (and me too) and has torn the family in two between those who stand with us and those who stand with MIL. It is unbelievably hard to get through. It is at a point now where I think I need to make DH access therapy so definitely get the ball rolling on that rather than leaving it as we have.

PepperIsHere · 22/01/2024 17:19

First of all, I am so sorry; all of that is shocking and deeply disturbing.

What I want you to know is that what you are experiencing is surprisingly common. Surprising to me, anyway.

When we were living with the 1m distancing rule, my neighbours and I used to meet for distance drinks. One evening, it transpired that we all had convicted or suspected paedophiles in our immediate families. Two were women like you whose mothers had married convicted child abusers. Blows my mind but then someone in my family is a sex pest, never convicted to my knowledge.

The reason I'm telling you this is because much of your pain will be the shame attached to having a sex offender in your family.

Shame is so painful and destabilising. It is essential that you hold onto the fact that the shame is not yours to carry. You have behaved impeccably.

Shame is a terrible burden to carry. I would highly recommend that you engage in therapy for yourself. Though as I type that I'm aware that I'm suggesting something costly and that might feel like another burden.

I cannot overstate how important it is that you look after yourself by finding someone to confide in, long term.

So many negative emotions to cope with: shame, grief, rage, fear... please seek professional help.

So sorry OP. You sound like a lovely mum and I'm so glad your partner is 💯 on board.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/01/2024 17:19

You don’t need any of us to tell you that you’ve done the right thing, obviously that goes without saying.
I know it’s you’re mum and you probably don’t want to hear this but sadly and I know I’m being crude here but some women are that desperate for (Blackpool rock) (rhyming slang for im sure you know what. ). They’ll take in anything and fuck the danger and damage to others.

Sureaseggs44 · 22/01/2024 17:21

That’s so awful . The lies can never be forgiven or the position she has put your family in . It’s so blatant and calculating. And even if hopefully nothing happened to your children the betrayal is enormous. 🫂

Achillo · 22/01/2024 17:22

Runnerinthenight · 22/01/2024 17:02

This is unforgiveable. I sometimes roll my eyes a little when 'NC' is bandied about on here, but if ever it was justified, this is it.

It's the most hideous betrayal of your trust. Your mother is sick in the head if she wants to be with this utter piece of shit. I really don't know how anyone could do it, and to place her grandchildren at such risk, well, words just fail me. The pair of them deserve their fuck kicked in - her actually even more so than him, because she was the one who put your children at risk!

I wouldn't cover up for them though. Anyone who is likely to have their children around these scumbags should know what they are. It's no reflection whatsoever on you. All you did was to trust your mum and she has let you down horrendously.

I think you need some form of talking therapy to unpick this, and give you back some peace of mind somehow.

You have your own little family - and congratulations on your baby. TG you found out. I have no idea why the authorities left it for him to tell you. That was a gross omission. You should have been informed properly at the time.

Do you roll your eyes when you see an ambulance aswell, because you don't need one? NC is life-saving for a lot of people. It just means you have been lucky so far, to not understand the pain involved for people before and after going NC with partners/ mothers/ family.

sunnydays1543 · 22/01/2024 17:22

I can't believe what I have just read. I am so sorry you and your family are going through this. Your mother needs a good talking to, this is insane!!

Beyondbeyondbeyond · 22/01/2024 17:23

@againstmywill I just read your post. In my family my brother was the abuser and my parents closed ranked to protect him and my siblings hide my parent's out from their responsibilities in the situation too. It is shit. We have nothing to do with them and honestly after years myself and my children have adapted to the situation. They have their whole family gaslight but I feel given the background I am actually much better knowing who they really are and getting right out of it.

DarkDarkNight · 22/01/2024 17:23

Oh my God, I would go wild, that is a truly terrible thing for your mum to have done. She put herself and her needs ahead of your children’s safety.

I personally think you should have been told when the police knew you were pregnant. Why are they relying on a paedophile to be truthful about his access to children? Yes he told them you were pregnant but that obviously doesn’t mean he will never have contact.

It sounds like your brothers are just going to minimise to keep the peace. Your mum is the most to blame though.

Zanatdy · 22/01/2024 17:27

That’s unforgivable. I’m so sorry. My relationship with her would be over for good and I can’t believe your brothers have that opinion. As you alluded to (and I hope to god it never happened) but he had access to these children when they were asleep.

lapsedrdwhoenthusiast · 22/01/2024 17:28

This must have been a horrific shock. The hurt and grief that your mother has put her relationship before the welfare of your children, the lies and betrayal and the sense of loss that your mother is not the person you thought she was.

You sound like a great mum.

fatphalange · 22/01/2024 17:29

I'm so sorry. It's hard to believe there are women out there like this and yet there are many. I'd need physically holding back from this woman if I ever saw her again. I'm just so sorry Flowers

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