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Fab & Glam Part 4 - Spring into Happiness!

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Paddlechick666 · 17/03/2008 13:26

Good Lord people, we've filled a thread up in about 6 weeks!

Anyways, here's a link to the venue Tanee suggested for a picnic:

www.coramsfields.org/index.php

Looks fabulous so let's get planning!

ps: sorry for London/Southern centric take on this but we'll plan hits around the rest of the country too I promise.

pps: Lily, get yer butt on FB woman!

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Dior · 08/05/2008 19:59

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HappyWoman · 09/05/2008 06:54

Hi everyone

As you can see up early today - because i had a very early night.

Loads to do now though so if i dont post again have a good weekend.

Bad mood was PMT - i hope this is not going to be more regular now.

Baffy · 09/05/2008 09:00

Nope haven't seen Fubsy at all hope she's ok.

I think I have PMT too HW. In fact I'm about ready to explode! Told GW last night that his evil girlfriend better watch herself because I know where she lives and works and I am so so tempted to just turn up and make her life hell.

I know I know. Rise above it. Need to keep my dignity etc!

But... H and I are killing each other at the moment. And she's off out with new blokes, rubbing his nose in it and making him jealous. He's chasing after her. She's having the time of her life. And I'm left picking up the pieces!!!!

I truly believe that by me keeping strong, calm, quiet, dignified... I have not only let them get away with this. But she has literally seen no consequences at all to her actions, is STILL affecting my life, and is now onto her next victim!

I do hope PMT passes quickly or I may be sending messages from the cells from next week!

Paddlechick666 · 09/05/2008 09:10

morning all, things slowly slowly slowly improving here.

neighbours are still causing trouble and now dd is scared of the monster downstairs. he always seems to kick up such a rumpus at bedtime.

still no definitive answer on the sale of my property. am going to look at houses again this weekend nevertheless.

dare i say it but h seems to have turned a corner. communications are pretty good and he's talking thru his options. he came to a couple of big decisions yesterday which will have far reaching consequences if he follows thru and pulls it off.

baffy, i really don't know what to say. it is so unfair that you have deal with the fall out from GW and physco witch.

you've dealt with it all with so much dignity and i think that is what has kept you sane. you've stuck to your personal moral code and maintained your personal integrity. don't lose that now.

it may seem like they're getting away with it but ultimately they aren't happy even if she thinks she is. you have the greater prize in ds and she will never know that because she will never have the honesty and integrity and self-lessness that you have (and need) to be a good parent.

hang in there mate, i know how much pressure you are under and how hard this is but you're getting thru it and it will get better.

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HappyWoman · 09/05/2008 09:23

Baffy

You are better than that and you know it. But i am with you on the wanting to kick and scream and get it all out. Just do it here.

I too have a simlar situation with sil and xbil Sil is being such a bitch to him and rubbing his face in her new man. Bil was not the easiest man in the world but she is just being so calous (i am not sure i want to know her anymore).

Baffy i am sure one day if your h gives himself the time he will be so very very sorry for what he has done - but by then it will be far too late - he is a silly man.

Do take care - we are all here for you.

Baffy · 09/05/2008 09:24

Thanks pc.

You know what eats me up most. I'm the frumpy boring wife who is constantly giving H hassle, making him face up to serious issues, reality, the pain he's caused, financial issues, his relationship with his son...

While she gets to be the lively funny sexy one who's texting and calling to make him feel better, giving him his ego boost and making him feel amazing.

Why on earth would he want me and want to face 'reality' when he has slut guts and his fantasy world. No wonder he's choosing her over us.

Even I can see she's the better prospect!

I'm sounding like I've lost it aren't I!. I have

I know if I play the waiting game then ultimately, the fantasy world falls apart while I'll be left with my career, great friends and family and most importantly my son. Not to mention my morals and the fact that I can rest easy knowing I'd never hurt people the way they have.
But it's been 18 months now. And it's still not getting better.
I hate them both.

Baffy · 09/05/2008 09:26

Thanks HW

It does help speaking to you guys as you bring me back to reality and calm me down.

I do need to get this out though.

I know H was totally shocked at the amount of hurt and anger I have inside me right now. But I've buried all this so long that it's gotta come out sometime xx

macdoodle · 09/05/2008 09:40

Baffy think we have both reached the same place - 18 months for me since threw h out for good - a week after my birthday 17 june 2 years ago i found out what was going on....i have booked the day off work kids will be in school/cm - going to tell h i want divorce and time to move on - terrified ....but had enough and i hate them both too..
sorry crap one hand typing feeding baby

Baffy · 09/05/2008 09:48

{{{hugs}}} mcd xx

HappyWoman · 09/05/2008 09:48

It may not get better baffy - but it will be different.

I understand you have a real need to make him and her see what they have done - but they are just not interested and you cant change that however much you wish it.

Ask yourself what it is you really want from h now. Do you really want him to be a wreck and plead for your forgiveness and declare undying love for you and only you....... (i bet there is a bit of that in you). And then you want to beat him for a while just to make him really see what he has done, make him promise he would never hurt you or anyone like that again.......
You want to be his saviour - the one he turns to in his troubles ......... the only one that knows him well enough to stick by him.

I too had all those feelings and i can completly understand how you feel - you keep that tiny bit of hope inside you - and when he starts to come back it makes you feel so special for a tiny while. I truely believe my h left it until the very last chance to do this - and it took an awful lot of begging and pleading and me actually seeing his commitment with him taking time off work to prove to me. The longer it takes the longer he will have to prove himself - and i think he knows he can never make it up to you ever and so will never put that effort in now.

Somehow you need to get him out of your life and not have any feeling either way for him (much easier said than done). It will happen- my friend is nearly 3 years down the line and she is now slowly seeing someone else and is much calmer.

Are you still seeing the counsellor?

Hope you dont think i am being harsh, as i think i know a little of what you are feeling.

Paddlechick666 · 09/05/2008 10:41

baffy, i so so so feel where you are at. even 18m into this i still didn't know the whole story.

this is now approaching year 3(in Sept) and things have changed so much since he first went awol.

it took about 2yrs for me to really buy into a future alone. with that came the start of not caring and distancing myself. 6 months further along and i still hurt over a future that has been lost but i have gradually lost the angst of h not being there/co-parenting/communicative etc.

this seems to have resulted in a much calmer environment for h and i to communicate. that long weekend at the caravan a few weeks ago was pleasant and normal without any great emotional stress or the need to thrash things out. my aim was to just enjoy a weekend with my dd and give h an opportunity to spend time with her.

i'm waffling and not articulating very well! sorry!!

i guess what i'm trying to say is that, on reflection, things have only got to this point when i let go of the desperation for h to be the parent i wanted him to be.

thru my own painful experience, you can't force them to be responsible parents. i've created so many opportunities for h and he's ignored the majority of them. so i stopped. i didn't stop him seeing her if he wanted to as long as it was convenient but i stopped pressuring him to do so. only because i was fed up with his attitude and couldn't keep going thru the emotional strain of it all.

and now when i am happier about a future alone and more accepting of that fact, h is now tentatively feeling out the possibility of a future together again!!!

he does seem changed. he does seem to be resisiting the black dog this time. he appearst to be enthusiastic and optimistic about the future and i don't detect any of the fantasy/utopia/slightly manic qualities that has accompanied his thoughts at times over the last 2.5yrs.

i don't really know how i feel about it tbh. i think his plan for his own future business-wise is a good idea. i am not going to deviate from my own course and he knows it would be a long long time of rebuilding friendship/trust etc before i would seriously consider a future "together".

in fact, i don't even really know if i even want a future with him. i was 80% sure i didn't when i got back last week.

of course, now that 20% of "not sure" is really being brought to the fore now!

so, ultimately feeling a bit confused right now but am happy that we are maintaining a friendship and communicating and whatever else happens that has to be a good thing.

anyways, i have blathered on about myself far too much here.

you are dealing with so much more than i ever had to. you are 18m into the journey of recovery. that was a very hard point for me too.

it's darkest before the dawn, i honestly think you will turn a corner soon.

my honest advice right now would be cut GW out of your life as much as you can. it's not your job to teach him how to parent however much you want to force him to see what and where his responsibilities lie.

focus on you, ds and your future and try really hard to do that without making provision for GW. let him stew in his own juices and believe me i know how hard that is to do. eventually he will either start taking responsibility for himself and his relationship with his son. or he won't. but by building your future without considering his needs should he never come to his senses it won't affect you.

the biggest thing i have learned (and sometimes the hardest to maintain) is that i must live my life and h can live his parallel to mine because when i was in his tailwind i was constantly blown off course at every whim of his.

sorry if i haven't made any sense whatsover! brain a bit foggy today.....

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lilyloo · 09/05/2008 10:52

Hi all Baffy, McD (((hugs))) sounds like your both in a simialir place.
I know what you mean Baffy the anger does have to come out and if it means he takes some of the brunt of it then so be it. I really wouldn't give her the satisfaction though! Just choose where the 'best' place would be to let it out, maybe take up a kick boxing class

Mcd hope you get some answers today !

PC sorry the neighbour still being a nightmare , fingers crossed h is turning a corner though and he does stick to what he says sounds like they are important decisions! As for dd i am completely with you me and dp are at a loss what to do with ours. She is much worse at 3 than she has been up to now. I swear she has moods like a teenager, we get the shouting, and wanting to be in control of everything. She is so fickle and we have had the 'stupid mummy' 'daddy' thing all week. I am at the end of my tether she was literally taken screaming upstairs yesterday as i didn't know what to do with her and put in her room.
I never had this with ds and hope that it's not a 'girl' thing as i couldn't do it again with dd2.

Lol at the teabags stalk out of Tannees oh in Norfolk , we actually could be really useful there

Hope all you other ladies are ok and enjoying this lovely weather.

Things here on a real downer dp went for job interview this week so i think that's the end of the buisness , he is so down about it and i am so for him. He feels like he has let us all down esp as it has debt in it that we will be left with. He has absolutely worked himself into the ground this last 18 months and he is so good at what he does, he was the strongest candidate out of 20, just seems shitty that he will be making money for someone else but guess that's life.

Baffy · 09/05/2008 12:50

That's a real shame lily - it does sound like he is so good at what he does. with things the way they are though it really is totally out of his control right now.
(I work in the housing sector and have just been in a 2 hour meeting covering these exact issues1)
I hope he realises it's not down to a failure on his part. The Economy is so way beyond anyone's control that you really are at it's mercy when things go wrong...

I hope he's ok.

And thanks for the advice and support. I guess it's hard to listen to people who have been through affairs and come out the other side 'together' because ultimatley I just get stubborn and think well you have no idea because you have the man you married despite everything and I don't!!

Don't worry I don't think I'd ever sink so low as to confront her. I do know it would achieve nothing.

But I don't want to make excuses for my anger, because I feel I deserve to have it and it has to come out in whatever way gets me through.

I think the bottom line is that I'm just not ready to accept what has happened. I've lost my husband. Best friend in the world. Solemate. Co-parent. My support. I really am only where I am in my career at such a young age because of his fantastic support, both emotionally and practically around the house and with ds.
I know that I can't continue to do this job and be a single living alone parent with ds. I'm Assistant Director. The long hours, the demands, the pressure, all come with the territory. But I don't earn enough to pay for live in help.

I truly believe you can be a single parent and hold down a good career. But I really can't do this job and move in alone with ds. I could never drop him off/pick him up for nursery. I couldn't be home every night at a sensible enough time to do his tea. I could do it now and again. But it would have to be give and take. And he can't sort his own tea and put himself to bed if I get held up!

So not only have I lost the man I love. In such cruel circumstances. But it is forcing me to re-think my whole life. My career. The way I parent. Everything.

I know none of us entered into having children wanting to end up a single parent. And I believe that if H never steps up to the plate in terms of his parenting responsibilities, then me, and my family, can make sure ds has the best life he can, regardless.

But it's not the point. I need to move out of my mums. The time has come. But as you can see - I can't!
I have to make some major sacrifices and changes first. None of which I want. But it's totally beyond my control and not my fault!
It took me a long time to find this job. It's an amazing opportunity, fantastic experience and not common for a woman my age to be doing such a high profile role.
I did 10 years of exams to get here.
And I may have to step down and re-think my whole future due to their selfishness for a bit of fun!

How do you come to terms with that!!

It's not going to be easy. Accepting it's over with H is the first step. But the practical reality of moving on is going to be harder than coming to terms with the affair! That's what I'm struggling with now.

I don't expect answers or solutions. Truly I don't I just hope that helps you understand that this isn't about 'winning' anymore. I don't want the prize that's on offer. It's about so much more than that.

Dior · 09/05/2008 13:23

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Baffy · 09/05/2008 13:32

Thanks Dior.

I think I've made massive progress. I know why I'm having all these emotions. Just need to live through it and get out the other side

Paddlechick666 · 09/05/2008 13:36

baffy, i so wish there was something i could do. i am so sorry you're under so much stress and heartache.

keep venting here.

i know you don't really want solutions but have you considered an au pair or mother's help?

when i move dd will have to do two long days at the CM. that will probably mean a 7am drop off and a 6pm pick up with all 3 meals there. day 3 will be early drop but tea with DM.

if i change jobs then it will probably become 5 days per week office based. i am really hoping that the salary increase will cover some sort of exclusive childcare.

h's plans for the future means it's likely his maintenance will reduce or even stop for a year or so which is really scary right now.

anyways, sorry if anything i said upset you earlier. really really hope there's some light at the end of the tunnell soon. god knows you deserve it!

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Baffy · 09/05/2008 14:04

pc you'd never say anything to upset me. far from it.

thank you for the practical advice and ideas too. it all helps. thank you xx

macdoodle · 09/05/2008 14:15

oh Baffy I didn't realise the huge implications for you...what an utter twat

lilyloo · 09/05/2008 16:00

Thanks Baffy i am sure he will be fine (despite him just getting a speeding ticket when i asked him to get dd from pre school last week cause i was running late

You are right i have no idea how you feel right now and all i can offer is sympathy which won't help you through this. I have huge admiration for the way you have dealt with this and i completely agree that you need to release this anger and h deserves it and a lot more. He really has been very luky you have handed it with such dignity. I am so very sorry this has such far reaching consequences for you and your career, i really am

Interesting chat with dp just now though with everything we have had going on i have been really upset with the support i have not had in rl. My dad hasn't even bothered to respond to my text from two weeks ago when i told him how bad things were. I have been supporting a friend who has been going through a break up since Jan when i had dd2(her fault cheating) and today she spent 20 min talking about her situation and as an afterthought she then asked me how things were. And when telling dp today how i feel about it he said ' you really are too supportive of other people and you end up in danger of becoming a doormat when they expect you to support them and they have no interest in supporting you'. Maybe your h just expects it and has never thought of how it affects you. Not sure how to get around it but it's given me food for thought!

HappyWoman · 09/05/2008 16:07

Baffy

You have so much right to be angry. I do too sort of understand - athough i also realise i did get my h back. When i thought it was over for us i too was livid because i had given up my career for the family. H is only where he is because of me and in some ways at the time it felt even worse. Because there he was with some woman who kept her career had her h helping and had help at home - it just wasnt fair. I felt i had given up everything of me for him and the family.

I have now learned that i must live for me too - i know i will be ok without him (its not what i want - but i would manage). I will never again 'give' as much of me as i did before - and i too feel a sort of loss for that (as does he).

You are such a strong person Baffy and i for one look up to you- you are amazing. Please take full credit for that and dont think it was h who helped you.
If he had died you would have coped and so you will now. Death seems the easier option at the moment i am sure.

Yes you will be angry - but you will be ok too. And at the end of it all you will not have to 'thank' him for it all.

We dont choose what happens to us but we can all choose how we deal with it. That sounds more trite than dior's words - so beat that anyone .

Baffy · 09/05/2008 16:48

Thanks guys. You are very wise

I just wrote that as 'very wide'! That wouldn't have gone down well would it!

Anyway - macd - you summed it up perfectly!!

HW thanks for the kind words.

And Lily... " Maybe your h just expects it and has never thought of how it affects you. " Spot on. He doesn't know what's hit him now I'm the one needing support. Tough!

Lily is there anything we can help with??

lilyloo · 09/05/2008 17:01

I know Baffy i am probably very emotionally strong and don't often ask for a lot of help but just sometimes i would like those close to me to offer some support. (Don't know about you)I doubt dp could do that if it was the other way round even when he did the 'deed' to me i found myself at times supporting him through it. I wonder if maybe we need to become more 'selfish' in a put ourselves first kind of way.

Thanks for the offer of help nothing you can do but good to come here and vent

Baffy · 09/05/2008 17:09

Vent away!

I know what you mean. When I first found out about H he was a total gibbering wreck and it was me who calmed it all and supported him. Perhaps that's where I went wrong!

I think we definitely do need to be more selfish in that way. Stop being 'strong' all the time, and actually stand up and say we're not ok and we need support.
I guess my rants this week have done that!
I do feel better for it though.

I always showed H how strong and capable I was. How I could be happy without him. In an aim to show him what he was missing.
Instead he just had no guilt and thought 'oh it's ok, she's strong and holding it all together, she'll be fine'.
So I really do want him now to understand that it's not 'fine' and his actions have affected me deeply. And he needs to deal with some of the fallout from that.

I know someone said they don't care about me or my feelings. And OW definitely doesn't. Hence ranting at her would achieve nothing.
But I do believe H cares. A lot. And it is affecting him badly seeing me in such a state.
But I can't hide it any longer. I'm forced to face the consequences of his actions so he should be too.
Amen!

Right I am off. Have a lovely weekend planned with my gorgeous boy so off to make the most of it.

Hope you all have good weekends too

Thanks again for today xx

lilyloo · 09/05/2008 17:12

Have a lovely weekend Baffy and i would let him see how your feeling we don't get any prizes or medals for being strong!

Dior · 10/05/2008 11:08

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