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Need an outsider's perspective

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Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 01:33

Hi everyone,

I have been feeling quite stuck lately and would appreciate an outside perspective on this.
I'm in a long term relationship with my boyfriend and we have been living together for a few years now.

Early on into the relationship I noticed red flags that I ignored because I was infatuated with this new person in my life and the good outweighed the bad, at the time.
One of the red flags was that we never had produtive conversations about our relationship or about any problems that came up. He had a tendency to switch moods very quickly if something annoyed or upset him and he shut down emotionally so even though I tried to talk through the misunderstanding, my input was never taken into consideration and I somehow always found myself apologizing. For a long time it was something I knew made me not feel good but I think because of some trauma in my childhood I was made to feel like I'm at fault. So when someone is upset I want to fix it, I want to talk it out and solve things and I gravitate towards apologizing and being the submissive one when I feel like there's passive aggressiveness because my fight or flight response kicks in and just wants the argument to end.

What is really killing me is... the silent treatment. The dreaded silent treatment is something that has plagued the relationship for as long as I can remember and from my memory it would usually only lasts a few hours or a day and the next things would revert back to normal.
It's been a long time now where I've been keeping track of it on a calendar for my own knowledge because it felt like this was happening way too much. Well, it was... I'd say we have 7-10 days of "normal" in a month and anywhere from 1-2 weeks of the silent treatment.

As the silent treatment might look different in other relationships I will tell you what ours usually entails.
During this time all intimacy and affection is out the window. He will not call or text me and often times ignore my attempts at reaching out. When he gets home he will often not make eye contact or say hi, same when he exits the house, and the only time I do hear from him is if I directly talk to him but even then he will give me a one word response. He will eat his meals alone and for the duration of the silent treatment I will have no idea about his day, what my boyfriend is up to, I'm completely isolated.
There's unfortunately never a healthy cool off period where he is upset and let's me know we'll revisit this later. A few hours pass, a day, two... all in which I walk on eggshells and try to stay out of his way. Yet the silent treatment and the passive aggressive behavior stays and it gives me such tremendous anxiety because I never know when it'll end.

As time went by there were situations that happened in which my boyfriend got angry at me that I feel wasn't justified or my fault at all and it became apparent that I was his emotional punching bag as he wasn't able to get angry at work or the other people who were giving him a hard time. As I never set boundaries, got upset or stood my ground, he's gotten away with such behavior without any consequences. I allowed this and I'm disappointed in myself for it. Truthfully the more time passed the harder it got to voicing my concerns. I think a part of me does not feel safe emotionally and knows the person on the other end won't give me his empathy or understanding. I often times feel scared of him, emotionally, because of how shut down he is and because of how cold he responds to these situations.

I have struggled to not blame myself but this makes you feel crazy. When you're with someone who is the absolute most kindest, patient and caring person to the outside world yet treats you so very differently you can't help but question whether it's because of you as a person. What did you do wrong. Why aren't you good enough and worthy of the same respect he shows to everyone else.
I do feel wronged because I do admit there are times where I might have seemed bothered or insecure but it stems from my partner giving me the silent treatment and displaying such unkindness and disrespect that over time it damaged me and I have failed to recover from it. It breaks down all trust so yes I am more sensitive to things. Even so I have never shown him the silent treatment, yelled, was unwilling to talk things through. I've always tried my best to be a kind, loving partner. He only sees his side though. He might only see my actions or reactions but not see what he might have done on his end to cause that. So again, the fault always falls on me and he is never accountable.

I want to hear other people's perspectives on the silent treatment. How do you respond, do you find anything is successful at making it come to an end?
I have tried to be undertanding and if I see something is wrong I do ask if he wants to talk about it but I don't push. I try to give space for an hour or two but that doesn't help. The last time we were in this I basically was out of the house most of the week to give him space and even then, after a weeks time he didn't come around. To have someone so unbelievably angry and annoyed at you for things you haven't done wrong to begin with or things that migut have caused a misunderstanding unintentionally...but you tried to explain your side, you tell them sorry if you hurt their feelings... and it is like talking to a wall. I feel like despite knowing my own feelings,even though I try to express them he has already made up his mind on what happened and what my intention was. I'm always thought of in the worst of ways.

I feel so unhappy and absolutely exhausted, depleted like I'm running on empty. I can't make sense of this behavior. I've tried to write this post remaining neutral because if ever I'm at fault I do want to be accountable and hear constructive feedback. I just don't think this is okay. I think it's perfectly healthy for some people to not want to talk right away when they are upset but the cool off period should end after a few hours maximum. There should be a healthy two way conversation where things are discussed and above all even when angry at each other, respect and kindness should still be intact.
To go about your day and be angry at your significant other and act like they don't matter or aren't worthy of respect and kindess is awful. To go about your day being kind to everyone else around you but directing that bitterness towards your partner at home is extremely damaging to them and the relationship. I don't want to feel like the bad guy anymore.
Advice, please.

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DelphiniumBlue · 02/01/2024 01:58

He sounds horrible, so my advice would be to leave him.
Nothing you do or say will make him behave better. It's not you, it's him.
Don't waste another day of your life putting up with this nonsense.

TryThisItHelps · 02/01/2024 02:04

Only advice is to leave. You know he’s not good to be with. It’s self destructive to do anything other than end the relationship.

His behaviour is toxic. It will damage you.

Pumpkinpie1 · 02/01/2024 02:14

His behaviour is not normal OP. This is not a healthy relationship

pottypotamus · 02/01/2024 02:21

Do you have children with this man OP? Or own a house etc? If yes, get your ducks in a row.
You sound so unhappy and I think the only way you can get your self-confidence back is to leave him. He won't change.

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 02:29

I have read up a lot on the silent treatment from the people who give it and they often say they resort to it because their partner will yell or throw a fit or just not listen so they feel like shutting down is the only way to avoid saying hurtful things. I don't think that's okay either but I'd understand being in a situation where you are TRYING to talk to your partner and they aren't working with you so you shut down or they are being passive aggressive, emotionally attacking you and hurting your feelings and you shut down because you don't want to talk when things are heated.

In our experience there's never any conversation. I am 100% always the one approaching him when I notice something is up...asking what's wrong and let's talk about it. I've never invalidated his feelings or shut him out emotionally so from my perspective it doesn't make any sense that I'm receiving this behavior.
Like I mentioned in my original post I get anxious and like to talk about stuff right away but have tried to be more understanding that some people function differently... so I will ask once or twice if he's okay, if we can talk about what's upsetting him then I leave him be for a few hours, if I see his mood is the same I give distance for the next day but nothing ever helps. That isn't how I want to do stuff as I want to be close, communicate but I've tried to approach it differently and with being more understanding for someone's need to cool off and process however my partner never comes back to me in a healthy mindset to communicate. It's always pushed under the rug and when he's back to normal he acts like the one or two weeks of the silent treatment never happened while I'm there very much hurting and trying to pick up the pieces.

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Onlylonelyontheinside · 02/01/2024 02:30

He’s an arsehole , just leave, better to be happy and alone than having to deal with toxic people…. We all just strive for happiness in our lives…. Simple

Chichimcgee · 02/01/2024 02:50

My dad would give the silent treatment - you didn’t exist for however long he did it for. It’s emotional abuse.

I give the silent treatment - I say I really need some space and time and I will come to you when I’m able to. I will say hi, respond to texts. It’s usually a few hours of just getting my brain organised so I can verbalise what I’m thinking and feeling

I would say he’s emotionally abusive and you should leave.

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 02:55

@Chichimcgee I don't necessarily consider that the silent treatment as you're communicating to the other person you are taking some time to yourself to process and will talk about it when you're ready. You're not punishing them or treating them like they don't exist. So if things were this way on his end, I wouldn't have an issue.. but it really does feel like a punishment. It feels like asserting control over me because they are withholding communication and everything is on their terms.

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Vergeofbreakdown23 · 02/01/2024 03:10

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 02:55

@Chichimcgee I don't necessarily consider that the silent treatment as you're communicating to the other person you are taking some time to yourself to process and will talk about it when you're ready. You're not punishing them or treating them like they don't exist. So if things were this way on his end, I wouldn't have an issue.. but it really does feel like a punishment. It feels like asserting control over me because they are withholding communication and everything is on their terms.

What does he do or say when/if he sees you upset/crying?
Have you thought about leaving?
Have you threatened to leave?
You really need to think long and hard about whether to continue in this relationship because it's not healthy and it's not going to change - he's not going to change. He has/is moulding you into his emotional punch bag and is getting away with it - and it will only get worse.
Do YOU want to be treated in that way? Would you allow him or someone else to treat your child/mother/sister in that way?
You are worthy of respect, love, kindness and all the things you are willingly giving this man. He doesn't appreciate you and I'm sorry for you because until you start loving and respecting yourself I fear you will let him continue treating you like this.
You know the answers to your own questions you've posted - and people are confirming what you fear..... You need to leave and you deserve so so much more!!

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 03:24

@Vergeofbreakdown23
I haven't really cried in front of him. To be honest with you I didn't want to show him that side but there was another part that didn't want to be even more vulnerable and have him not react.
I don't see how someone wouldn't know that the way they're treating their partner is hurtful, I'm pretty sure he is aware of what he's doing.

I have never talked about leaving but lately it is something on my mind as I can't imagine continuing this way. I don't know why it's so difficult for me to go when I don't have any children or finanical, material attachments to him. Deep down I think he's caused so much trauma that I don't feel loveable. I'm sure that sounds just as sad as it is to write. I will eventually get through this, I know that. I'm just at my lowest and don't have any support around me.

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Roussette · 02/01/2024 03:35

@Birdseye10
You sound such a lovely, caring, thoughtful person, and I'm sorry but your partner sounds absolutely awful

How can anyone put another human being through days and weeks of this, it's just cruel and nasty, and I believe you know that. I've been married nearly four decades, we argue and bicker from time to time and my DH at times I am sure would like to give me the silent treatment but I tell him constantly , I need to talk this through, I need to understand this. He does just that (with exasperation at times) and I could not put up with the silent treatment even once and thank God I never have had to.

You just sound too lovely and kind to be with this awful man doing this to you. He is chipping away at your self esteem and he knows exactly what he is doing. Please leave him before you are reduced to an even fainter shadow of your self than you are now

You deserve so much better

SequentialAnalyst · 02/01/2024 03:39

I got stuck in a marriage with someone like this. He just ignored my tears.

Get out as soon as you can.

CallingIdaho · 02/01/2024 03:55

You cannot manage his abuse, and this is abuse.

I'm guessing the arguments start due to you voicing a critisism or being upset about him crossing boundaries or voicing a concern whereby you've been hurt by his actions?

So basically he's allowed to be annoyed with you but you're not allowed to be annoyed by him. He is very emotionally abusive and this will get worse, the silent treatment and stonewalling will become longer and his de-humanising treatment will become stronger.

You cannot win, you cannot ever have a voice in this relationship, he will shut you down and stonewall you, if you refuse to be silent and apologetic the next step is usually violence with these types. How long can you remain quiet, 20/30/40 years, if you think he will change, you are deluding yourself.

Please don't waste time thinking you can save him, his actions are purposeful, he knows exactly what he is doing to you, this man is cruel and heartless, the next signs will be his lack of mercy and sadistic tendancies.

Recognise what he is, he is not some poor injured soul who is battered by the outside world and needs your special brand of understanding to get him through life. No, he is a selfish, manipulative, horrible abuser that likes to see you suffer by withdrawing love and affection and at the flick of a switch can pull you back in whenever he chooses, that's not a man, that's an excuse for a human being.

He really is scum.

Lampzade · 02/01/2024 04:03

He will not change.

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 05:11

@CallingIdaho

It's shameful to say but I haven't really voiced when I've been angry. This is all very far from my personality as while I don't like conflict and I'm always very level headed, I have never been a pushover in the past. With this relationship, somewhere down the line I changed... I've lost my identity.

I think I've made a lot of excuses for the relationship and his behavior due to some really challenging series of events he suffered through. This was all consuming for him and it ate up all his focus, time and the relationship was put on the back burner often. I somehow felt like I was the bad partner if I wasn't understanding enough about how tired he was, how busy, the depression, the mood swings, the silent treatment. I made excuses for his behavior and early on I lost my voice. I felt so emotionally neglected that I felt as though if I voiced my emotions or my disappointments he would leave. I should have allowed myself to understand that if that was his choice I'm better off but I suppose there's a lot to unpeel under the surface because it shouldn't be such a hard decision to leave.

It's beyond my comprehension but I know I've become the docile doormat. I know he's stressed, I see and feel it, he has his own stuff going on but I feel like when I slip up in the smallest of ways, it's like a green light for him to unleash all his annoyances, anger and frustrations. And while he has never been physical or really yelled at me, the silence hurts just the same. But I know it's all my responsibility as you choose whether to allow a person to treat you a particular way or not. We can't control their behavior and actions but we can choose whether we allow these people around us. So it's been really frustrating for me, I'm the only one who can help myself in the end. I've got to step up and do something about it.

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Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 05:13

@SequentialAnalyst I'm so sorry to hear this. You didn't deserve such treatment either.

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Uol2022 · 02/01/2024 05:32

The silent treatment as you describe it is abusive for sure. The last part about him being kind to everyone else but nasty to you is very common in abusive relationships and I know this can be very disorienting and create the feeling that it’s your fault. It is not your fault. While it is normal for some people to need time to process when there’s conflict, the respectful way to handle this is to communicate about it eg I’m feeling upset, I need some time alone, I’ll check in with you in two hours. And it would have to be a very serious conflict indeed (I’m thinking an affair or other big betrayal) to justify anyone needing space for several days. Regularly withdrawing all intimacy even to the point of refusing eye contact is definitely not normal or acceptable and you cannot possibly have done anything deserving of that response.

It sounds like you know already that this behaviour is unreasonable, abusive, that it’s damaging you. It sounds like you know you should leave him, probably part of you wants to, but there’s something holding you back. Often it’s fear of the unknown or a fear that how they make us feel is how we really are. Knowing that he presents differently to others can also make it harder to leave because friends and family might, with the best of intentions, question that decision. It’s hard but you can do it. Do you have someone you can stay with for a few weeks? So you don’t have to make the big decision all at once. Have you told anyone else in real life about how he treats you and how it makes you feel? Is there someone who can help you imagine your new life without him constantly hurting you? Be proud of yourself for every step you take to protect yourself and rebuild your life - including writing this post and admitting there’s a problem.

NoFleasOnMe · 02/01/2024 05:32

The only solution is to leave. You cannot rebuild yourself in this relationship, he will keep undoing any progress you make.

I know it’s hard, and when he projects a different image, people will wonder why you’re leaving. Keep repeating, “We just aren’t compatible and I’ve not been happy for a long time.” It’s the truth, it’s all the reason you need to leave him, you don’t need other people to agree with you, you just need to get out.

you sound so utterly defeated and worn down. Every post you’re trying to be so fair to him and to understand why he does this. He does this because he can and he doesn’t care enough about you not to.

He doesn’t care that you are not happy. You need to find the strength to care about yourself and to put yourself first.

Stop trying to understand him. You can’t. You’re not selfish and cruel, so you can’t. All you can do is move on. Get therapy once you’ve left to rebuild your boundaries, but leave now or you will never be happy.

NewyearNewyear2024 · 02/01/2024 05:39

This is not normal. You need to end the relationship.

He sounds like the kind of person who won’t let you leave if you do eg begging and promising to change or getting nasty. So make a plan and stick to it.

His behaviour towards you is actually cruel.

Uol2022 · 02/01/2024 06:08

You mention he’s been depressed and under a lot of stress. That’s absolutely not an excuse for the behaviour you describe and doesn’t put any responsibility on you to fix him or continue to support him when it’s causing you so much harm.

I’ve been the depressed partner in a relationship. I’ve never been abusive but I have a lot of trouble controlling my emotions and would breakdown often with my partner, crying a lot, saying everything is hopeless. There were significant topics of conversation he had to avoid completely for a time because they would trigger a lot of anxiety or sadness from me. He did try to be supportive but it was never enough. Eventually he told me he can’t continue like this. That was pretty recent. We didn’t break up (yet) but it was close. It hurt a lot but it also helped me to step out of the mindset that focused only on my own pain. I don’t want to hurt him, I don’t want to make him responsible for all my issues. I can’t describe it exactly but I definitely felt a shift. I took some time off sick and tried to work through some things properly. I’ve talked more to other people. I’ve accepted there are limits to the emotional support I can get from a partner.

Depression is not an excuse but it could be a contributing factor. It’s possible that letting him see the hurt he causes, that it’s deep enough to make you leave even though (I assume) you love him, could actually help him. Things will only change with him if he decides to do the work for himself. You don’t have to stay, either way.

Obviously put your own safety first and don’t attempt to confront him if the stonewalling could turn into violence.

AllEars112232 · 02/01/2024 06:22

You've thought deeply about his behaviour and what is doing to you. You know his actions are unkind and damaging you very badly. You talk more about trying to understand him, and how to make the silent treatment End.
But now your need to consider a different approach. What if the silent treatment will never end and you'll be living like this forever?
This is now your life...unless you leave him behind and value yourself enough to get out. You do not deserve to be treated in such a degrading way. You deserve an partner who treats you well and talks issue through with you. You DO NOT deserve him.
I hope you can stop trying to fix him and concentrate on yourself.

Wellcantthisyearjustfuckrightoff · 02/01/2024 08:49

You’ve actually got a really good understanding of what he is doing to you and the negative effects it is having and why. That is brilliant and the first massive step towards changing your life. You do not want to live your life being controlled and ignored by an abusive man, who would?

So the next step is to make changes. Find your voice and your boundaries, you’ve had them before and you can have them again. Personally, I would read “why does he do that” by Lundy Bancroft, then wait for a “good” period, to talk to him and tell him exactly what you’ve written on here, calmly.

If he refuses to listen/blames you/does anything other than be horrified when he realises how badly his behaviour affects you, then you have a choice to make. Stay and allow him to continue treating you badly, or leave. And even IF he realises he has been abusive, the likelihood of him changing is very slim.

I think you would really benefit from Psychotherapy at this time if you aren’t currently having it, to support you through this and to understand how and why this happened - you have a really good understanding of why he is doing what he is doing but you need to understand why you’ve put up with it (no criticism at all, I’ve done the same before) and to prevent it happening again. Good luck op, I hope you find happiness again x

Cuppachuchu · 02/01/2024 08:56

He's abusing you and he enjoys it.
Finish it, and work on your self-esteem.

determinedtomakethiswork · 02/01/2024 09:07

I'm pretty sure he is aware of what he's doing.

He is absolutely aware of what he's doing. If you spoke to everyone in his life, you would find he's been doing that since he was young. I imagine he learned at his parents' knees.

If you plead or back, or if you were to cry, he would absolutely love it. It would give him a great sense of power.

There is nothing to do, but leave someone like this. You don't mention children if you don't have them that makes everything so much easier.

littlebopeepp234 · 02/01/2024 09:11

Hi op, do yourself a favour and research ‘dismissive avoidant’ on google as he seems to fit into this category!

It is a very passive aggressive type of abusive toxic dance and unfortunately he will never change. He is emotionally unavailable and abusive!