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Need an outsider's perspective

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Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 01:33

Hi everyone,

I have been feeling quite stuck lately and would appreciate an outside perspective on this.
I'm in a long term relationship with my boyfriend and we have been living together for a few years now.

Early on into the relationship I noticed red flags that I ignored because I was infatuated with this new person in my life and the good outweighed the bad, at the time.
One of the red flags was that we never had produtive conversations about our relationship or about any problems that came up. He had a tendency to switch moods very quickly if something annoyed or upset him and he shut down emotionally so even though I tried to talk through the misunderstanding, my input was never taken into consideration and I somehow always found myself apologizing. For a long time it was something I knew made me not feel good but I think because of some trauma in my childhood I was made to feel like I'm at fault. So when someone is upset I want to fix it, I want to talk it out and solve things and I gravitate towards apologizing and being the submissive one when I feel like there's passive aggressiveness because my fight or flight response kicks in and just wants the argument to end.

What is really killing me is... the silent treatment. The dreaded silent treatment is something that has plagued the relationship for as long as I can remember and from my memory it would usually only lasts a few hours or a day and the next things would revert back to normal.
It's been a long time now where I've been keeping track of it on a calendar for my own knowledge because it felt like this was happening way too much. Well, it was... I'd say we have 7-10 days of "normal" in a month and anywhere from 1-2 weeks of the silent treatment.

As the silent treatment might look different in other relationships I will tell you what ours usually entails.
During this time all intimacy and affection is out the window. He will not call or text me and often times ignore my attempts at reaching out. When he gets home he will often not make eye contact or say hi, same when he exits the house, and the only time I do hear from him is if I directly talk to him but even then he will give me a one word response. He will eat his meals alone and for the duration of the silent treatment I will have no idea about his day, what my boyfriend is up to, I'm completely isolated.
There's unfortunately never a healthy cool off period where he is upset and let's me know we'll revisit this later. A few hours pass, a day, two... all in which I walk on eggshells and try to stay out of his way. Yet the silent treatment and the passive aggressive behavior stays and it gives me such tremendous anxiety because I never know when it'll end.

As time went by there were situations that happened in which my boyfriend got angry at me that I feel wasn't justified or my fault at all and it became apparent that I was his emotional punching bag as he wasn't able to get angry at work or the other people who were giving him a hard time. As I never set boundaries, got upset or stood my ground, he's gotten away with such behavior without any consequences. I allowed this and I'm disappointed in myself for it. Truthfully the more time passed the harder it got to voicing my concerns. I think a part of me does not feel safe emotionally and knows the person on the other end won't give me his empathy or understanding. I often times feel scared of him, emotionally, because of how shut down he is and because of how cold he responds to these situations.

I have struggled to not blame myself but this makes you feel crazy. When you're with someone who is the absolute most kindest, patient and caring person to the outside world yet treats you so very differently you can't help but question whether it's because of you as a person. What did you do wrong. Why aren't you good enough and worthy of the same respect he shows to everyone else.
I do feel wronged because I do admit there are times where I might have seemed bothered or insecure but it stems from my partner giving me the silent treatment and displaying such unkindness and disrespect that over time it damaged me and I have failed to recover from it. It breaks down all trust so yes I am more sensitive to things. Even so I have never shown him the silent treatment, yelled, was unwilling to talk things through. I've always tried my best to be a kind, loving partner. He only sees his side though. He might only see my actions or reactions but not see what he might have done on his end to cause that. So again, the fault always falls on me and he is never accountable.

I want to hear other people's perspectives on the silent treatment. How do you respond, do you find anything is successful at making it come to an end?
I have tried to be undertanding and if I see something is wrong I do ask if he wants to talk about it but I don't push. I try to give space for an hour or two but that doesn't help. The last time we were in this I basically was out of the house most of the week to give him space and even then, after a weeks time he didn't come around. To have someone so unbelievably angry and annoyed at you for things you haven't done wrong to begin with or things that migut have caused a misunderstanding unintentionally...but you tried to explain your side, you tell them sorry if you hurt their feelings... and it is like talking to a wall. I feel like despite knowing my own feelings,even though I try to express them he has already made up his mind on what happened and what my intention was. I'm always thought of in the worst of ways.

I feel so unhappy and absolutely exhausted, depleted like I'm running on empty. I can't make sense of this behavior. I've tried to write this post remaining neutral because if ever I'm at fault I do want to be accountable and hear constructive feedback. I just don't think this is okay. I think it's perfectly healthy for some people to not want to talk right away when they are upset but the cool off period should end after a few hours maximum. There should be a healthy two way conversation where things are discussed and above all even when angry at each other, respect and kindness should still be intact.
To go about your day and be angry at your significant other and act like they don't matter or aren't worthy of respect and kindess is awful. To go about your day being kind to everyone else around you but directing that bitterness towards your partner at home is extremely damaging to them and the relationship. I don't want to feel like the bad guy anymore.
Advice, please.

OP posts:
SleepPrettyDarling · 04/01/2024 18:05

BayCityCoaster · 04/01/2024 17:38

The people complaining about the length of the OP’s posts - what’s wrong with you?!

If it’s genuinely too long for you (mind blown), then leave the thread. Nobody’s forcing you to contribute.

This is the OP’s thread, and she’s entitled to express her thoughts in whichever way works for her. And the way she’s done that is perfectly normal.

Thanks to you, she’s now retreated from a place of (or should have been) support.

Not only that, but the OP is probably for the first time ever telling her story, and I hope she gets some comfort and clarity by articulating it all. Expressing in words in this ‘safe space’ is hopefully the first step of her new future.

CallingIdaho · 04/01/2024 20:42

@BayCityCoaster

I agree.

Op, post as much as you like, this is part and parcel of being, neglected, ignored and silenced, it erodes your confidence and makes you believe no one wants to hear you.

We do, the posters who understand this treatment will not flippantly tell you to stop analysing and get over it.
You need to come to terms and understand that you have been abused, that takes time to process.

Do not apologise.
x

waterrat · 04/01/2024 20:58

Op you are in an abusive relationship

You are scared of him..he makes you deeply unhappy.

The only way to escape is get support and leave as soon as you can

Birdseye10 · 04/01/2024 21:14

Thank you everyone, I appreciate the support and encouragement. I haven't opened up to anyone over the last few years so without meaning to there was just a lot to say, I didn't filter through, I just typed away. I do agree I am over analyzing and continually trying to understand his behavior or maybe holding onto the chance that if I finally stand up and say the right thing that he will care and things will change. But as everyone said people don't change and he's turned down my attempts at communication more than once.

While reading your posts over the last few days it was very difficult to admit and acknowledge that all of this is emotional abuse, it's still tough.
I have a lot of work to do, a lot of processing to do. I really have to be kinder to myself and start to believe that I am not at fault for everything.

Does anyone have any suggestions from personal experience on how to not allow a partner's silent treatment to affect them as much? I'm having a hard time to detach.
I need some time to get on my feet and get my things sorted but I don't want to continue allowing this to tear me down.

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Roussette · 04/01/2024 21:23

I think you've hit the nail on the head. While you make plans (and I hope you are!) you have to detach yourself. It sounds trite but long walks, a new hobby, evening classes, meet up with friends ... anything to take you away from the toxic atmosphere.

If ever I am vexed, I walk. Easy to say I know. Good luck

SequentialAnalyst · 04/01/2024 21:26

I may have some off-the-wall suggestions to offer. For example, imagine he has been struck dumb. So he couldn't talk to you even if he wanted to.

I find that solitary walks where I speak aloud about my problems can be of help in getting some kind of detachment from, and perspective on, those problems. If you can head off to somewhere with a view it can give you a different outlook internally. Also I find driving around can be good - I live near some lovely countryside.

Birdseye10 · 05/01/2024 00:20

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give them a try.
I have been keeping busy, I feel like that's all I've been doing the last few weeks has been work and avoiding home for a few hours. At night we're both in separate rooms and the only time we're near each other is when we're asleep. All this distance is of course initiated by him and any moment he does come into the room and I'm in sight I hear him let out a controlled sigh,as though my existence is bothersome.

Despite attempting to distract myself I have had a hard time not thinking about all this. I wish I could turn it off.
There was a period where I chose to not be home as much, not engage and I felt relieved at doing whatever I wanted, however long I wanted because I knew he would not contact me. Having a hard time getting back into that mindset and attitude this time around. Will do my best.

OP posts:
Uol2022 · 05/01/2024 08:37

One thing I’ve tried with my own negative thoughts is choosing to laugh at them. I wonder if that could help you now. I don’t mean out loud (although you could try that when you’re a safe distance away) but just in your own head reminding yourself how ridiculous it is for a grown man to act that way. Because it is. This is toddler level behaviour. He’s nasty and abusive and controlling, yes, but it’s also just silly for an adult to get into a huff for weeks at a time. And honestly, sighing when he sees you sounds like the worst kind of pantomime acting. What a twat.

Lots and lots of positive thoughts about yourself. Even if you don’t believe them, repeat nice things to yourself. I’ve found it helpful to imagine two versions of myself. One is hurting and broken, the other is strong and is coming to rescue her.

Other people. It sounds like you might be quite lonely. If there are friends you can chat with more often, do that. Even little conversations with strangers can help. A book club. Anything with other people.

At some point you will probably need to cry a lot. I don’t know if you’re ready for that yet?

You sound like such a lovely person. Take it one day at a time. Deep breaths, stretch to release the tension. It must be horrible sleeping next to him while he ignores you and is so cold. Your sleep quality might be poor as a result, exercise could help to tire out your body so you sleep better at night. Mindfulness techniques might help, focus on your own breathing or on different points in your body.

SequentialAnalyst · 05/01/2024 13:14

It is possible to let those thoughts chunter along in the background, which is slightly better than them being in the foreground! I found supressing them didn't work, and I've read this just makes them stronger. I suspect I had to let the thoughts keep running, as that was part of the process.

In a situation which seemed hopeless, my thoughts would run and re-run the same scenarios for change over and over. Always coming to the same dead ends. It was as if my brain had to keep doing this, in case there was something I had overlooked.

There was. I was focused on fixing my marriage, when I needed to focus on ending it. Once I filed for divorce, I immediately stopped being depressed. OK, I immediately became stressed, as Ex was unco-operative. Now my thoughts were how to negotiate a settlement with Ex (who I eventually had to take to court). But now things were better, because there was now forward movement in my life, instead of stuckness.

I don't know how I managed to get my thoughts in the background. But I have practised the following, when we were broke, and on the dole. Each day, for half an hour, I would give myself over to worrying, as thoroughly and concentratedly as I could. This definitely helped me to worry less the rest of the time.

So often people recommend keeping busy as a way of distracting oneself. That doesn't work for me. After DF died, I found it better to give myself up to my feelings and nurture myself with crap telly, music from Spotify, and doing nothing.

SeulementUneFois · 05/01/2024 16:06

OP
I've been (am) in a very similar situation (silent treatment ongoing right now, of course triggered by me having an 'unapproved' emotion).
Only worse, I've long gotten to the stage of crying in front of him, pleading and begging... telling him how much it hurt etc. Only of course to be met with more silent treatment, him just walking away, and at a very push telling me he has no compassion for me.

All I can say - even if your friends aren't local to you, can you call them? Tell them all, call and cry on the phone, cry as much as it takes, to unload all (well some, it's so much) of the pain. Don't worry about him overhearing. He won't care.
Even send them (your friends) a link to this post.

Freckles81 · 05/01/2024 16:17

My ex husband used to do this to me; give me the silent treatment and not allow me to voice my feelings ever....once he even stepped over me whilst I was having a panic attack on the bathroom floor after saying coldly and in a montone voice: 'move: I need a piss'. It was awful. I am so sorry you are going through this. Communicating and listening to your partner is normal, but what he is doing is not allowing that, and instead he is emotionally abusive. I had to have that spelt out by a counsellor to me, but she helped me realise he was abusive, and that if I styed it would destroy me x

Birdseye10 · 05/01/2024 16:35

@SeulementUneFois

I'm so sorry to hear you're going through something similar. I've held back crying in front of him or voicing it hurts and when I look within I believe it was because in part I was afraid to voice any negative emotion or cause an argument, feared he would leave ... which is stupid,I know. If someone cares about you then they will never invalidate or shut down your feelings. The second reason was I think I was scared about facing the situation of if I did allow myself to show that vulnerability and express I'm hurting, only to see him indifferent and not care, I know that would be really painful. I've only put off the inevitable though.

To be honest there's more reasons than I can count on situations we've been in where you'd feel empathy or concern even for a complete stranger but my partner didn't even feel that for me.
Things such as me getting hurt accidentally and him getting annoyed and giving me the silent treatment for a week.... a close family member being rushed to the hospital and him not asking questions, showing no support or comfort when I arrived home.
Our last incident of me being emotionally flooded and just quiet and him taking it as attitude and me apologizing and telling him I had a hard night and was feeling emotionally overwhelmed but wasn't listened to. There was SO many examples that were a clear slap in the face that he does not love me. I'm the one who was in denial and didn't want to face reality because not being loved felt like a reflection on who I am as a person. I didn't feel good enough.

@SeulementUneFois I really hope you get out of your situation too. As so many others have wrote here to me... life is too short to be with someone who not only makes us miserable but slowly strips us of everything we are. Sending you a warm hug, here to listen if you need to talk.

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Birdseye10 · 05/01/2024 16:37

@Freckles81 That behavior is absolutely disgusting...to treat you that way when you're vulnerable, in distress and dealing with anxiety. I am glad to read he is now an ex husband.

OP posts:
SeulementUneFois · 05/01/2024 17:59

@Birdseye10
Thank you for your kind words. In my case he's actually ok for a short while if I'm upset due to someone/ something else. But I think that's just to make himself look good (mostly to himself), not because he cares for me.
Conversely he has hurt me so many times (not physically, just showing me with his actions that he doesn't care, small and big things...). And even a hint of me being unhappy about such things triggers prolonged silent treatment.

I really hope that you can get out too.
(Feel free to DM me at any time about it - I know too well the pain, I'm feeling it right now )

Muchof · 05/01/2024 19:37

BayCityCoaster · 04/01/2024 17:38

The people complaining about the length of the OP’s posts - what’s wrong with you?!

If it’s genuinely too long for you (mind blown), then leave the thread. Nobody’s forcing you to contribute.

This is the OP’s thread, and she’s entitled to express her thoughts in whichever way works for her. And the way she’s done that is perfectly normal.

Thanks to you, she’s now retreated from a place of (or should have been) support.

I have commented on the length of posts, but not complained. If you feel there is an issue with any comments on the then you are free to report though.

It is not unusual for posters to comment that sometimes posts can be too long. Although in this instance, speaking for myself I quite specifically commented that it was sad to see the level of analysis and over thinking that was behind those lengthy posts. Or did you miss that?

SequentialAnalyst · 05/01/2024 19:53

@Muchof and did you see the posts that understood why OP needed to make such long posts?

Roussette · 05/01/2024 20:12

I like that the OP posts lengthy posts. She's getting it all out there, and isn't that what's a forum about?

Birdseye10 · 05/01/2024 21:16

No worries, I wasn't offended by the comment about the lengthy posts. I know it wasn't said with bad intentions and I agree I have spent a lot of time trying to understand his behavior or the circumstances of things instead of focusing on myself and my overall happiness and mental health. Unfortunately I don't think I can keep my posts short, just end off having a lot to say. Don't mind people skimming through my thread though. I'm already appreciative for everyone who has taken the time to give my issue attention and offer their support. You've all been so kind.

Just wanted to give a small update. I set up an appointment with a therapist in a few days. Small steps but I'll get there.

OP posts:
Uol2022 · 06/01/2024 07:24

Well done finding a therapist. Small steps towards feeling like yourself again x

HarrietStyles · 06/01/2024 08:42

That’s great you are going to see a therapist, I hope it’s really helpful in giving you clarity on your situation and gives you the strength to find a better future 💐

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