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Need an outsider's perspective

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Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 01:33

Hi everyone,

I have been feeling quite stuck lately and would appreciate an outside perspective on this.
I'm in a long term relationship with my boyfriend and we have been living together for a few years now.

Early on into the relationship I noticed red flags that I ignored because I was infatuated with this new person in my life and the good outweighed the bad, at the time.
One of the red flags was that we never had produtive conversations about our relationship or about any problems that came up. He had a tendency to switch moods very quickly if something annoyed or upset him and he shut down emotionally so even though I tried to talk through the misunderstanding, my input was never taken into consideration and I somehow always found myself apologizing. For a long time it was something I knew made me not feel good but I think because of some trauma in my childhood I was made to feel like I'm at fault. So when someone is upset I want to fix it, I want to talk it out and solve things and I gravitate towards apologizing and being the submissive one when I feel like there's passive aggressiveness because my fight or flight response kicks in and just wants the argument to end.

What is really killing me is... the silent treatment. The dreaded silent treatment is something that has plagued the relationship for as long as I can remember and from my memory it would usually only lasts a few hours or a day and the next things would revert back to normal.
It's been a long time now where I've been keeping track of it on a calendar for my own knowledge because it felt like this was happening way too much. Well, it was... I'd say we have 7-10 days of "normal" in a month and anywhere from 1-2 weeks of the silent treatment.

As the silent treatment might look different in other relationships I will tell you what ours usually entails.
During this time all intimacy and affection is out the window. He will not call or text me and often times ignore my attempts at reaching out. When he gets home he will often not make eye contact or say hi, same when he exits the house, and the only time I do hear from him is if I directly talk to him but even then he will give me a one word response. He will eat his meals alone and for the duration of the silent treatment I will have no idea about his day, what my boyfriend is up to, I'm completely isolated.
There's unfortunately never a healthy cool off period where he is upset and let's me know we'll revisit this later. A few hours pass, a day, two... all in which I walk on eggshells and try to stay out of his way. Yet the silent treatment and the passive aggressive behavior stays and it gives me such tremendous anxiety because I never know when it'll end.

As time went by there were situations that happened in which my boyfriend got angry at me that I feel wasn't justified or my fault at all and it became apparent that I was his emotional punching bag as he wasn't able to get angry at work or the other people who were giving him a hard time. As I never set boundaries, got upset or stood my ground, he's gotten away with such behavior without any consequences. I allowed this and I'm disappointed in myself for it. Truthfully the more time passed the harder it got to voicing my concerns. I think a part of me does not feel safe emotionally and knows the person on the other end won't give me his empathy or understanding. I often times feel scared of him, emotionally, because of how shut down he is and because of how cold he responds to these situations.

I have struggled to not blame myself but this makes you feel crazy. When you're with someone who is the absolute most kindest, patient and caring person to the outside world yet treats you so very differently you can't help but question whether it's because of you as a person. What did you do wrong. Why aren't you good enough and worthy of the same respect he shows to everyone else.
I do feel wronged because I do admit there are times where I might have seemed bothered or insecure but it stems from my partner giving me the silent treatment and displaying such unkindness and disrespect that over time it damaged me and I have failed to recover from it. It breaks down all trust so yes I am more sensitive to things. Even so I have never shown him the silent treatment, yelled, was unwilling to talk things through. I've always tried my best to be a kind, loving partner. He only sees his side though. He might only see my actions or reactions but not see what he might have done on his end to cause that. So again, the fault always falls on me and he is never accountable.

I want to hear other people's perspectives on the silent treatment. How do you respond, do you find anything is successful at making it come to an end?
I have tried to be undertanding and if I see something is wrong I do ask if he wants to talk about it but I don't push. I try to give space for an hour or two but that doesn't help. The last time we were in this I basically was out of the house most of the week to give him space and even then, after a weeks time he didn't come around. To have someone so unbelievably angry and annoyed at you for things you haven't done wrong to begin with or things that migut have caused a misunderstanding unintentionally...but you tried to explain your side, you tell them sorry if you hurt their feelings... and it is like talking to a wall. I feel like despite knowing my own feelings,even though I try to express them he has already made up his mind on what happened and what my intention was. I'm always thought of in the worst of ways.

I feel so unhappy and absolutely exhausted, depleted like I'm running on empty. I can't make sense of this behavior. I've tried to write this post remaining neutral because if ever I'm at fault I do want to be accountable and hear constructive feedback. I just don't think this is okay. I think it's perfectly healthy for some people to not want to talk right away when they are upset but the cool off period should end after a few hours maximum. There should be a healthy two way conversation where things are discussed and above all even when angry at each other, respect and kindness should still be intact.
To go about your day and be angry at your significant other and act like they don't matter or aren't worthy of respect and kindess is awful. To go about your day being kind to everyone else around you but directing that bitterness towards your partner at home is extremely damaging to them and the relationship. I don't want to feel like the bad guy anymore.
Advice, please.

OP posts:
Raspberrymoon49 · 03/01/2024 14:44

People like him choose who to abuse, can guarantee he acts differently at work to how he treats you, please take steps to separate and end this misery

littlebopeepp234 · 03/01/2024 14:55

Raspberrymoon49 · 03/01/2024 14:44

People like him choose who to abuse, can guarantee he acts differently at work to how he treats you, please take steps to separate and end this misery

Completely agree! If people at his workplace knew how he treated op they’d think he was an absolute tosser!

SequentialAnalyst · 03/01/2024 16:03

I have often thought about how things would go if I were to have that difficult conversation with him about the relationship, setting boundaries and telling him I can't accept bring treated this way any longer.

Take it from me, it would make no difference. The conversation you need to have is the one when you tell him it is over.

What are the practicalities of splitting up? Is it basically accommodation?

Raspberrymoon49 · 03/01/2024 16:27

Don’t waste anymore mental energy on trying to work him out/ have a conversation, etc, put your energy in the right place and solely focus on yourself and this relationship being over as soon as practically possible, you’ve wasted far too much already on this idiot

QueenBitch666 · 03/01/2024 17:58

He's an abusive arsehole. Get rid

BayCityCoaster · 03/01/2024 18:22

Please stop saying you are ‘unworthy’.

You are not unworthy.

You are ‘just’ deeply, profoundly incompatible with this man.

It reads like he hates you. And don’t see how you can possibly like him.

The bedrock of a good, healthy, mutually satisfying, long-term relationship isn’t actually love (although that is necessarily).

It’s like. You must like each other.

The two of you do not.

You are worried about splitting up and being on your own.

But I don’t understand how living in your own peaceful, calm home - walking in to the door to a haven, where the atmosphere is exactly what you make it, and want it to be - could possibly be worse than the grinding loneliness you live in right now.

Leave him.

You are not right for each other. Neither of you are bringing out the best in each other.

Quite the opposite.

You deserve so much better Flowers

Birdseye10 · 04/01/2024 02:31

I don't have anyone I can really confide in and you all have been so supportive and kind. Forgive me for burdening you further with my thoughts.

I'm struggling. I've had the hardest few weeks in a long time...a primary family member isn't doing well health wise. I'm holding myself together taking care of them and trying to get through the day to day. Honestly really just want a comforting hug and emotional support. It's been tough coming home to the silence and the indifference. I'm feeling so alone and that loneliness is overwhelming.
I've struggled during this bout of the silence because I told myself I will not stoop to his level and dish out the same treatment, but I did not want to ask him to talk to me, beg or show any affection to cozy up to him or please him when he's actually been very unkind. I feel like I can't win against him. I'm not playing games here but I refuse to allow myself to be like I was in the past and bend over backwards trying to make him forgive me. Maybe back then I felt guilty but this time I know I did not do anything to deserve this treatment from him. I think he can continue on acting this way even if I choose to do the same. I've heard other people say their significant others came around more quickly when they realized their partner wasn't going to coddle them or try to apologize endlessly... but with my partner, if I stay on his level who knows how long this can continue. The longest we've ever had the silent treatment was 3 consecutive weeks and we're almost at 2 now.

To have someone upset at me for this long because of something they perceived as attitude even though I was honest and said I'm just struggling emotionally...it's beyond upsetting.
Being mad at someone that long and hardly talking to them and avoiding them at home... it's like as though they did something huge, something major.

I feel stuck because I'm not doing well financially right now and am the only caregiver for a sick family member. I don't have the ability to move out right now and all my friends live in another city so I am quite isolated in terms of having help in person as I cannot leave my current location either.
I just fear his behavior will make me sink further into this dark hole. I'm just at a difficult place, hoping things get better.

I've come close a few times out of desperation to tell him I'm hurting, that this is hurting ... because it truly does feel like a punishment. Right now with how distraught I am, if he ended off having no reaction or empathy to me telling him I'm in pain...that I want this all to stop because it's too much,I don't know what that would do to me.

OP posts:
Muchof · 04/01/2024 03:10

OP I know we are supposed to read all OP posts before commenting, but I couldn’t read yours it was just too long, too much over analysing and trying to reason your way through it, it was sad that you are trying to think it through so hard.

What stuck out to me was in your first post when you asked what other people do to bring the silent treatment to an end, as if this is something that is normal and that other people deal with. Most people are not dealing with this. If my husband ignored me for ten days, well he wouldn’t get an opportunity to do it a second time, it is that simple. I don’t even think we would manage to dish out the silent treatment for ten minutes never mind ten days!

You have to end this. He sounds absolutely awful and he is abusing you. You will be so much happier away from this.

PaminaMozart · 04/01/2024 03:30

Like the previous poster I only skim read your posts.

But for goodness sake! All this angst and overanalising...

Wake up and learn to value yourself. Leave this POS and start living.

Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? (Mary Oliver)

You'll need a LOT of therapy to work out WHY you have allowed yourself to be abused like this - for what seems to be years.

As a start, I'd suggest you print out all your posts and go through them with a highlighter pen. And actually pay attention to what you wrote.

And read WHY DOES HE DO THAT, by Lundy Bancroft. Also do the Freedom Programme.

But above all, leave your abuser.

CallingIdaho · 04/01/2024 04:07

How old are you op, and how long have you been together?

This man is killing you, your spirit, your soul, your life. He doesn't care about hurting you, he has no empathy and shows no mercy. It is pointless trying to appeal to him for comfort and love, his game is cruelty, all very purposeful and very much planned, he enjoys you being in pain.

Nothing you can do will stop him from escalating this treatment over the years, the only way to make it stop is to separate and go NC.
You must understand you cannot change him, or make him a better person, he is damaged.

Many of us have endured this treatment, we know there are no answers, it's awful and devastating but sometimes you cannot change the fact that some people are nasty to the core, just because they are. You are not like that, you are kind and believe others deep down must be the same, they are not, unfortunately.

You believe your love can make him love you, I'm afraid it can't and it wont because you are dealing with someone with a limited capacity for empathy.
I would love to tell you these types get better but they don't, what actually happens is you begin to understand the reasons why they are particularly nasty at a particular time, why they may be keeping you at arms length and it's not for space, it's usually to be cruel, to punish or to have room to keep a separate life away from you.

Many of these types cheat, they pretend depression affects them, that they are tortured souls, that they need 100% support and devotion from you, yet they can forget you as soon as you are not in their vicinity, they really don't care.
I would read up on narcisim, whether he is or not is another matter but have a look at Dr Ramani, on U tube, another would be HG Tudor, many don't like his work but I think if you read him you could really understand how heartless some narcs are.

You have to start by changing your mindset and understanding he cannot love anyone but himself, he is not capable. The nice bits you see are an act, the horrible times are the real him.

Birdseye10 · 04/01/2024 05:11

Sorry for all the lengthy posts on my end, I can imagine it's a lot to read through and take in.
Wishing you all happiness and peace this new year.
Thanks again, take care.

OP posts:
Codlingmoths · 04/01/2024 05:18

I wish you the strength to pack up your things and go. You don’t owe him any rent, you don’t owe the man who’s not talked to you for many many days over the year a conversation and I think you know it won’t get anywhere. If you haven’t anyone to stay with look online for accomm options, but I hope you have some immediate options.

SleepPrettyDarling · 04/01/2024 05:54

If I were you, and didn’t have close friends nearby, I’d ask around at work about a spare room, and just leave him asap.

AllEars112232 · 04/01/2024 06:52

OP,
please take some time to seek advice on you financial and marital situation.
Your local citizens Advice should be able to help. Make sure that your are receiving all the benefits you are entitled to especially as it seems you are acting as a career for someone.
whenyouknow where you stand with money, your housing etc, you can start to plan your route out of the relationship- assuming that is what you want.

MinervatheGreat · 04/01/2024 07:00

SequentialAnalyst · 02/01/2024 03:39

I got stuck in a marriage with someone like this. He just ignored my tears.

Get out as soon as you can.

As above ^

A solicitor told me that the silent treatment like you are experiencing, is abuse and I could divorce my husband for it.

It made me feel less than human.
In the end I had to divorce him, for all sorts of controlling narc behaviour too. Massive relief.

Get out from under the weight of this relationship.
It will destroy you in the end.

Uol2022 · 04/01/2024 08:25

Can you stay a while with the family member you care for? Is it a place you at least can go for a few hours to cry? Ask someone from work if they have a spare room or can help you to figure things out? Can you think of anyone in real life that feels safe, even if you’re not currently that close? I’m aware you’ve said that he’s nice to everyone else, so I understand why you might feel like you can’t make a fuss or might fear not being believed when you call it an abusive relationship. If you have a friend that you think will listen, even if they’re far away, reach out by phone. At least they can help you brainstorm options. It’s really hard for us here to help with the practicalities because we don’t know details. If there’s really no one you feel able to talk to irl you could try reaching out to a local church or similar. Practice saying “I’m trying to leave an abusive relationship and I need help”. Citizens advice for a benefits check and maybe financial advice more generally.

Now that you’ve seen there’s a problem I can imagine you beating yourself up for every day you haven’t left. Don’t do this. Be proud of every tiny step. Say nice things to yourself, give yourself a hug, focus on every small positive feeling like warm water on your hands or the sensation of walking.

While you’re still there, is it safe for you to refuse sex if he tries?

Arrivederla · 04/01/2024 08:32

Op - you don't have to apologise for the length of your posts; you have expressed yourself well and clearly.

Please continue to post if it helps you.

Wishing you all the best - I know that a new and happy life awaits you as soon as you leave this awful man.

Roussette · 04/01/2024 08:37

Be proud of every tiny step

^^ This. Even coming on here and writing is a huge step. You are going through hell at the moment, and it is ongoing with his silent abusive treatment. Don't try and cajole or placate him because, in time to come, you will be proud that this last time you endured this you didn't roll over to this man.

Washinglinewench29 · 04/01/2024 08:44

Leave, the anxiety of living like this will forever make you miserable.

TryThisItHelps · 04/01/2024 08:45

OP just maybe let your imagination relax and explore possibilities. What would it look like to have a look for a place to move to? Would it be a shared house? Or a flat? Maybe start putting some small savings away. Little steps. Start imagining a bright new space for yourself where you’re not being emotionally wounded - it’s yours and you can breathe easy. Imagine how it would feel to just detach from him and his feelings and this emotional assault on you - to just let go, and shrug, and move on in a healthy free state. All these things are possible.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 04/01/2024 09:10

Ideally you could have nipped this 'silent treatment' in the bud early on in your relationship by telling him it was unacceptable and if he continued the relationship was over. As it's continued it's become the norm with you tip toeing round him for days until he decides the time is right to speak to you again.
He is controlling you, turning the moods on like a tap. Where is the the love and emotional support you need during the silent periods? He feels his needs are paramount and doesn't give a damn about yours. Stop accepting the crumbs from his table, you deserve a partner that cares and supports you.
You don't need to understand why the silent treatment goes on for days, you just need to understand it is not acceptable and build up some self esteem. You have needs and wants too, once you put some boundaries in place you will find you are treated with respect - but by someone else. Get rid of this loser.

Yalta · 04/01/2024 10:03

You have 3 questions to as yourself

Am I happy?

Are things going to change if I don’t do anything?

The answer to both those questions by your posts is a resounding No

The third question is

What am I going to do about it?

The answer to that initially is move out and get lots and lots of therapy

If financially that looks difficult atm then look on Rightmove to see how much you need for even a flat share and work out exactly what you need and spend your spare time working towards that number.

I think it helps to have a number. On a practical way forward take a look at what you have that you can sell on eBay. Can you get a job around your caring and f/t job that you can do on weekends or a couple of evenings per week, fast food delivery driver etc Just to get to the number you need.
Can you claim carers allowance?

Can you move in with this relative?

Alternatively a friend spent time last year getting on his feet last year renting a space in a disused pub then an office building in central London with about 10 -30 other people as the rent was ridiculously low. Owners of the buildings just wanted people in the property for security whilst they waited for planning to pull down/reconfigure
I have seen places like this on Rightmove occasionally but as they want single people or couples only I have dismissed them as we are a family

I think the time for analysing the past is over. You need to look to the future and what it is you want. How do you see your life. Then work out how to achieve that

PaminaMozart · 04/01/2024 12:20

@Birdseye10 - the number and length of your posts isn't a problem for me or any other MN posters. However, it is indicative of your utter confusion and your mindset, which is wholly directly at finding a way to appease your abuser. You are pretzeling yourself and twisting every which way in the hope that one day he'll start being nice to you...

Trust me, all your angst and confusion will melt away if you leave this man.

A few resources that may help you in get to the point where you'll find the strength to leave:

  • Women Who Love Too Much
  • The Six Pillars of Self Esteem
  • Why Does He Do That
  • the Freedom Programme
  • therapy/counselling
SequentialAnalyst · 04/01/2024 13:06

I totally understand the need to think things through, and to be heard (or read).

And to be validated. We are all validating your experience. It's him, not you.

I got to the point where my mind was consumed with how to communicate how I felt to my H. I tried everything. I kept trying, nothing worked. Then it dawned on me: nothing ever would.

It was only by luck that I found myself in a position where I could divorce him - DC were young adults, one had left home, and my DF had given me some money. I had spent years of my life in a marriage kept alive by hope and naivety on my part.

BayCityCoaster · 04/01/2024 17:38

The people complaining about the length of the OP’s posts - what’s wrong with you?!

If it’s genuinely too long for you (mind blown), then leave the thread. Nobody’s forcing you to contribute.

This is the OP’s thread, and she’s entitled to express her thoughts in whichever way works for her. And the way she’s done that is perfectly normal.

Thanks to you, she’s now retreated from a place of (or should have been) support.

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