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Need an outsider's perspective

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Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 01:33

Hi everyone,

I have been feeling quite stuck lately and would appreciate an outside perspective on this.
I'm in a long term relationship with my boyfriend and we have been living together for a few years now.

Early on into the relationship I noticed red flags that I ignored because I was infatuated with this new person in my life and the good outweighed the bad, at the time.
One of the red flags was that we never had produtive conversations about our relationship or about any problems that came up. He had a tendency to switch moods very quickly if something annoyed or upset him and he shut down emotionally so even though I tried to talk through the misunderstanding, my input was never taken into consideration and I somehow always found myself apologizing. For a long time it was something I knew made me not feel good but I think because of some trauma in my childhood I was made to feel like I'm at fault. So when someone is upset I want to fix it, I want to talk it out and solve things and I gravitate towards apologizing and being the submissive one when I feel like there's passive aggressiveness because my fight or flight response kicks in and just wants the argument to end.

What is really killing me is... the silent treatment. The dreaded silent treatment is something that has plagued the relationship for as long as I can remember and from my memory it would usually only lasts a few hours or a day and the next things would revert back to normal.
It's been a long time now where I've been keeping track of it on a calendar for my own knowledge because it felt like this was happening way too much. Well, it was... I'd say we have 7-10 days of "normal" in a month and anywhere from 1-2 weeks of the silent treatment.

As the silent treatment might look different in other relationships I will tell you what ours usually entails.
During this time all intimacy and affection is out the window. He will not call or text me and often times ignore my attempts at reaching out. When he gets home he will often not make eye contact or say hi, same when he exits the house, and the only time I do hear from him is if I directly talk to him but even then he will give me a one word response. He will eat his meals alone and for the duration of the silent treatment I will have no idea about his day, what my boyfriend is up to, I'm completely isolated.
There's unfortunately never a healthy cool off period where he is upset and let's me know we'll revisit this later. A few hours pass, a day, two... all in which I walk on eggshells and try to stay out of his way. Yet the silent treatment and the passive aggressive behavior stays and it gives me such tremendous anxiety because I never know when it'll end.

As time went by there were situations that happened in which my boyfriend got angry at me that I feel wasn't justified or my fault at all and it became apparent that I was his emotional punching bag as he wasn't able to get angry at work or the other people who were giving him a hard time. As I never set boundaries, got upset or stood my ground, he's gotten away with such behavior without any consequences. I allowed this and I'm disappointed in myself for it. Truthfully the more time passed the harder it got to voicing my concerns. I think a part of me does not feel safe emotionally and knows the person on the other end won't give me his empathy or understanding. I often times feel scared of him, emotionally, because of how shut down he is and because of how cold he responds to these situations.

I have struggled to not blame myself but this makes you feel crazy. When you're with someone who is the absolute most kindest, patient and caring person to the outside world yet treats you so very differently you can't help but question whether it's because of you as a person. What did you do wrong. Why aren't you good enough and worthy of the same respect he shows to everyone else.
I do feel wronged because I do admit there are times where I might have seemed bothered or insecure but it stems from my partner giving me the silent treatment and displaying such unkindness and disrespect that over time it damaged me and I have failed to recover from it. It breaks down all trust so yes I am more sensitive to things. Even so I have never shown him the silent treatment, yelled, was unwilling to talk things through. I've always tried my best to be a kind, loving partner. He only sees his side though. He might only see my actions or reactions but not see what he might have done on his end to cause that. So again, the fault always falls on me and he is never accountable.

I want to hear other people's perspectives on the silent treatment. How do you respond, do you find anything is successful at making it come to an end?
I have tried to be undertanding and if I see something is wrong I do ask if he wants to talk about it but I don't push. I try to give space for an hour or two but that doesn't help. The last time we were in this I basically was out of the house most of the week to give him space and even then, after a weeks time he didn't come around. To have someone so unbelievably angry and annoyed at you for things you haven't done wrong to begin with or things that migut have caused a misunderstanding unintentionally...but you tried to explain your side, you tell them sorry if you hurt their feelings... and it is like talking to a wall. I feel like despite knowing my own feelings,even though I try to express them he has already made up his mind on what happened and what my intention was. I'm always thought of in the worst of ways.

I feel so unhappy and absolutely exhausted, depleted like I'm running on empty. I can't make sense of this behavior. I've tried to write this post remaining neutral because if ever I'm at fault I do want to be accountable and hear constructive feedback. I just don't think this is okay. I think it's perfectly healthy for some people to not want to talk right away when they are upset but the cool off period should end after a few hours maximum. There should be a healthy two way conversation where things are discussed and above all even when angry at each other, respect and kindness should still be intact.
To go about your day and be angry at your significant other and act like they don't matter or aren't worthy of respect and kindess is awful. To go about your day being kind to everyone else around you but directing that bitterness towards your partner at home is extremely damaging to them and the relationship. I don't want to feel like the bad guy anymore.
Advice, please.

OP posts:
LightSpeeds · 02/01/2024 09:22

"I want to hear other people's perspectives on the silent treatment."

You just need to finish it, plain and simple.

Ofcourseshecan · 02/01/2024 09:24

we have 7-10 days of "normal" in a month and anywhere from 1-2 weeks of the silent treatment.

Jeez OP, this is so far from normal or acceptable, it’s not in the same universe!

Get away from this horrible abusive man right now. Please consider counselling for yourself to help you avoid falling prey to men like him in the future.

But don’t even try couple counselling because he will gaslight you. You cannot change abusers like him. Whatever made him like that is irrelevant. He will not magically change into a decent human being.

Save yourself by leaving him at once. Please.

WestSouthWest · 02/01/2024 09:29

You sound like a really thoughtful and considerate partner. This behaviour from him is in no way normal and it is obviously having a significant impact on you. If a friend or loved one came to you in the same position, what advice would you give them? You already know this is making you unhappy and he is unwilling to change. Life is too short to be this unhappy with someone who is supposed to love and care for you.

Tistheseasontobejollytrala · 02/01/2024 09:30

If I were you I would quietly, even silently, start the process of separating.
Stop doing any chores for him.
Wear big, fuck off head phones in the house to show you are not available. Listen to empowering podcasts, upbeat exercise music.
Join a gym to get some endorphins back.
Get your financials separated.
Start looking at different places to live.
At some point you can decide whether to tell him you are moving out, I wouldn’t.
Shut down any promises from him that he will change his behaviour. This is his admission that he KNEW exactly what he was doing and did it all for years, deliberately. You gave him many chances, no more.
Enjoy your new life, get some therapy and get HEARD.

Nonewclothes2024 · 02/01/2024 09:32

Silent treatment is abuse. You sound unhappy with the relationship, you should leave.

inappropriateportioncontrol · 02/01/2024 09:41

Kindly. I think you're over analysing.
In loving relationships silent treatment doesn't happen. In any form.
You know that you are unhappy and you know that he's abusive.
Stop with the disappointed in yourself and wondering how it can be resolved.
He doesn't love you. Doesn't even give you the common courtesy that one would give to a stranger , never mind someone who you are in a relationship with.
Leave him.

JadziaD · 02/01/2024 11:23

OP, you are writing lots and lots of words and I understand but basically, this man is abusing you.

Read that again. He is abusing you.

I am guessing the silent treatment only stops when either YOU apologise or HE wants something?

I'm also guessing that during these periods he is not doing anything to help or support you or to pull his weight at home? Cookig/cleaning/shopping etc?

What about finances? I think there's probably a pretty good chance you're being financially abused too - these things tend to go hand in hand.

Please please please see this as the abuse that it is. what he is doing is conditioning you so that you never ever expect anything of him and so that he can live the life he wants while you facilitate it.

Please end this relationship as soon as you can. You don't mention DC so I assume there are none which is the only good thing I can see here - it makes ending things easier.

Filthyslattern · 02/01/2024 11:26

Run for the hills!!!!!
This is not how life should be.

AgentJohnson · 02/01/2024 11:58

It really doesn’t matter why he does it, just that he does.

It sounds like he has the emotional maturity of a young child and by staying and putting up with it, you are saying you are ok with it.

Get therapy for yourself and get rid. Every second you waste with this man is time you are robbing yourself of of being in a healthy relationship. Balls in your court.

Prelapsarianhag · 02/01/2024 13:44

This man is torturing you.

Daleksatemyshed · 02/01/2024 19:46

You've changed Op, you can see it for yourself, and that's what he wanted. Anything you do that he doesn't like he punishes you by withdrawing from you so next time you won't voice your opinion, will do as he wants, you're afraid to be angry because you know he'll punish you again.

Remember the person you used to be Op? Well you can be her again but not with him, he won't allow it. Leave him and go and find that happy, strong woman you were before and keep this lesson close to your heart - if anyone treats you like this then they don't deserve to be around you.

BeautifulAndBrave · 02/01/2024 19:56

He's the lesson telling you you need to love yourself more.
Raise your standards, don't tolerate his shit. His behaviour is not a reflection on you but on him. He's not capable of a loving relationship.
Weak cowards use silence as a weapon.

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 21:01

Thank you everyone for your input and your words, I had to take a little while to process everything as the reality of it all brought me to tears.

I find myself harboring a lot of shame and guilt from writing this post and hearing everyone's responses has made me question whether I've made my partner out to seem like an awful person. I think I'm having a hard time accepting this is emotional abuse. But he's done what he's done and that hasn't changed that he's resorted to a lot of hurtful behavior and I need to start doing this for myself and allow myself to accept and see things for how they really are. I can't be in denial anymore nor can I keep taking full accountability for his actions.

We're currently in a cycle of the silent treatment, going on day 10 now. The only communication we've had has been if I've asked him something then he'll respond in one word replies but will do everything to avoid me and won't acknowledge me when he arrives home. This is all from me coming home one night and being quiet, withdrawn and going into bed while he was in his office. When he came into our bedroom he didn't talk to me and I didn't talk to him. I wasn't trying to be rude or convey a negative emotion however me being withdrawn could have made him perceive it as such. Truthfully I was just dealing with a lot and it was one of the times I allowed myself to let my guard down around someone because 99% of the time I keep up this front of being positive, having my shit together and remianing calm and level headed... someone won't know how much I'm struggling.I'll break down in the shower or the ride back home when I'm alone and try my best to be positive when I'm around him. That night in particular was tough and I just wasn't feeling great. He got angry and when I probed him to know what was going on he said he was tired of my attitude. As everything was fine a few hours ago I assumed his disappointment was from how I was acting when I arrived home. I wasn't upset at him for feeling that way, I pegged it as a misunderstanding, it could happen. I would have preferred him asking me what was wrong instead of taking it personally or assuming the worst. I did try to explain my side and told him I had a very difficult evening and was feeling emotionally overwhelmed and down. I wasn't giving him attitude but I'm sorry if he took it that way,it wasn't intentional. So that was my attempt at smoothing things out and clearing the air but he didn't have anything to say after I told him that. He didn't seem to care that I was struggling emotionally. Basically in his mind I was giving him attitude and that was it. So because of that we've been in this uncomfortable situation for over a week. What upset me was the lack of empathy and understanding especially since he himself often has mood swings or comes home with a lot of frustrations or stress and my approach is always calm in where I ask what's wrong, asks if he wants to talk about it... try to be supportive and affectionate. I've certainly never gotten angry at him nor punished him for it. The ironic thing is him being so angry at me for this alleged attitude yet the way he's treating me is a million times worse than what I'm being accused of.

A few of our other misunderstandings have been from him getting upset or feeling like I was dishonest because I wasn't upfront with something but in all honesty, if something happens during days where I'm being given the silent treatment, I have NO opportunity to talk to him about anything... then time passes and it'll slip my mind or I just won't get the right timing but again it'll fall on me as though I'm the liar when that's not the case at all. It feels so unfair to get upset for a lack of communication or transparency when my partner won't even communicate.

I've just been struggling to get through the days, I feel so utterly alone. I'm exhausted. Even though I don't want to admit it, it's hard to delude myself into thinking this person actually cares for me.

As another poster wrote on here... change can be scary, fear of the unknown, sitting in that uncomfortable discomfort after going through difficult transitions. Knowing you're in something toxic but somehow still having fear if things are worse outside of the relationship. This all plays a factor. The other huge one is blaming myself and feeling not worthy. After constantly having the blame fall on me for years and watching my partner be this amazing human being towards everyone else...I feel like it's me. I know it isn't but the trauma is really deep rooted. Somehow knowing he will be totally fine without me in his life makes me take that personally like I'm not worthy of holding onto. I have to overcome all these things and put an end to all this unhealthy thinking.

I will definitely look into doing what I need to do to stop this toxic cycle.
Thank you everyone, you've been a shoulder to lean on despite not knowing any of you I appreciate your words❤️

OP posts:
Roussette · 02/01/2024 21:22

@Birdseye10

I found your post just shocking, I'm sure that's not going to help, but really.... you are having to put up a facade all the time just to appease him.
Day 10 of this must be heartbreaking for you and so lonely.

Please break out. Since I read your first post, I have thought of you, believe there are people out there rooting for you to have the life you deserve, scary though it will be getting there. x

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/01/2024 21:33

Oh OP. I'm sorry you're being put through this. Please please make plans to leave him. You deserve so much more than this. You can have time to yourself for as long as you need and then when you're ready, meet someone who is worthy of you. Because the wanker you're with now is not.

Catoo · 02/01/2024 21:33

Hi OP.
He does this to control you. Keep you in line. Keep you on egg shells. Hurt you. Make you desperate for him to be nice again. He gets off on it.

There is nothing you could do to stop him doing it. It’s not your words or your behaviour. Let all that analysing and overthinking about how you can change the situation go. You can’t change it. He chooses it. And enjoys it.

Get organised so you can leave when he’s out one day. From what you said earlier you either rent or it’s his place. So you can leave with no drama. No need to tell him. Block him out of your life.

Imagine a life free from his oppression. You’ll feel happier and less lonely in your own place. 2024 is the year you throw this arsehole in the bin.

💐

Uol2022 · 02/01/2024 21:36

@Birdseye10 We’re all rooting for you.

beachcomber70 · 02/01/2024 21:54

You need to stop blaming yourself. You aren't crazy, you're being manipulated.

Silent treatment is to punish you [not for him to have 'processing time'], and it's punishment and it's abuse. Cruel and childish.

It will not get better. He has found someone who sticks with it, sticks with his awful treatment and toxicity. It will get worse.

Outside and away from the the toxicity your life will not be worse, only better as you wonder why you stayed. No more walking on eggshells or dramas or moods but peace, freedom and a new life, your choices.

Make no more excuses for him, no second chances, no benefits of the doubt. He is an abuser. It isn't love. Get out and stay out.

I say this after experiencing similar, it was awful and I had no one to talk to about how toxic the person was and struggled so much. Months out of it now I'm feeling more confident and life is 100% better. You have support and good advice on here. [Also google/you tube 'narcissism/narcissistic partner' for more info as I think this is what you're dealing with].

SpringleDingle · 02/01/2024 22:04

Why are you living with this? Stopping is an option. Tell him it’s over, ask him to leave and this misery can be over. It really is as easy as that. You don’t owe this guy your care, understanding or forbearance. Do what would make you happy (and it sounds like that is going it alone) as you are a long time dead!

hellsBells246 · 02/01/2024 22:07

DelphiniumBlue · 02/01/2024 01:58

He sounds horrible, so my advice would be to leave him.
Nothing you do or say will make him behave better. It's not you, it's him.
Don't waste another day of your life putting up with this nonsense.

This. He's a cunt.

bevelino · 02/01/2024 22:11

OP, do not have children with this abuser, who will not change.

Tomatoblush · 02/01/2024 22:14

I’m feeling so sad for you OP.
This is no way to live and it needs to stop. He’s an abuser and a nasty one at that.
Please listen to the advice on here and start living your life without fear because you deserve better.

determinedtomakethiswork · 02/01/2024 22:26

The thing is that you are a normal person and you are trying to make sense of a very dysfunctional man. You cannot explain it away. You cannot get into his psyche. He is a very disturbed individual and things will not get better. The only thing you can do is leave.

Opentooffers · 02/01/2024 23:42

So in the 10 days of silence, bearing in mind its over Xmas and NY, have you been out with other people and left him to it? I do hope you haven't made him your world as that would be a very small way to live.

Birdseye10 · 02/01/2024 23:52

@Opentooffers I have tried to be out of the house as much as possible and despite how low I'm feeling have tried to keep busy and also see the few family and friends I have in the city.
This doesn't bother him one bit. I think he's someone who wants his space often but doesn't communicate that and he knows during these bouts of the cold shoulder I stay away so sometimes I wonder how much that affects his behavior. It often feels like the silent treatment is his way of having time to himself. Taking space shouldn't have to be like this though, you can communicate that respectfully and still be kind to one another. I'm not someone who would ever get angry at him if he told me he wants the evening to himself or he needs a few hours to work on something. I'm understanding and try to respect his need for space but also as someone living with him I can't read his mind and it's absurd how he makes me out to be someone who's smothering him all the time. We're in our mid 30s, these mind games and lack of communication feel so childish.

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